TimboKhan
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[QUOTEAll else aside - its a pretty sorry design when you take someone who is fluent in assembling and disassembling all types of weaponry and then all of a sudden one particular design causes this kind of problem.
Why they decided to make the ability to assemble correctly so random. Its like if you follow the directions exactly its still random if it will work.
Bad Bad Bad design.][/QUOTE]
I won't dispute the point that it isn't a particularly intuitive design, but I have to tell you, if you follow the instructions, it goes together reasonably well. Also, it comes apart easily.
I am no genius, and the first time I tried to put one together, I failed. So, I read my manual. The second time I had it together in about 30 seconds, and have never had any particular trouble since. I can take mine down on the range or in the field and put it back together quickly and with no particular problems.
Now then, two things: One, as I said before, I will not dispute that there is a learning curve. It is not at all an apparent process,\ and if it it isn't done right they are a bear to get back together. If you take your time and learn the steps, it's not bad at all. I don't think anyone can really disagree with any of that. Secondly, under normal usage, there isn't any particular reason to take it apart at all, or at least very often. I have ran, literally, a case of ammo through mine since I last cleaned it, and while it isn't sparkling clean, it functions just as well as if it was. Some people will agree with me on that, some people will inform me that I am abusing my gun, but in the ten years and gazillion round of ammo I have shot this particular MkII of mine, I have taken it down maybe 3 or 4 times to clean it, and maybe 3 or 4 times just to make sure I could.
As to it being a bad design, I disagree. You yourself said it was a good gun and functioned great. That implies that it is a good design. I will grant you that it is not as easy as a Glock (pull slide back .12 inch, pull take down levers, slide off), but that just isn't what this gun is. That it is mechanically more complicated doesn't mean it is a bad design, just that it is more complicated. Oh, I know, "simpler is better", and to a certain extent that is true, but more complicated doesn't mean worse when the parts themselves are simple, it just means more complicated. Using a calculator is more complicated than using your fingers and toes, but that doesn't mean it is an inferior design, it just means you have to learn the tool.
Why they decided to make the ability to assemble correctly so random. Its like if you follow the directions exactly its still random if it will work.
Bad Bad Bad design.][/QUOTE]
I won't dispute the point that it isn't a particularly intuitive design, but I have to tell you, if you follow the instructions, it goes together reasonably well. Also, it comes apart easily.
I am no genius, and the first time I tried to put one together, I failed. So, I read my manual. The second time I had it together in about 30 seconds, and have never had any particular trouble since. I can take mine down on the range or in the field and put it back together quickly and with no particular problems.
Now then, two things: One, as I said before, I will not dispute that there is a learning curve. It is not at all an apparent process,\ and if it it isn't done right they are a bear to get back together. If you take your time and learn the steps, it's not bad at all. I don't think anyone can really disagree with any of that. Secondly, under normal usage, there isn't any particular reason to take it apart at all, or at least very often. I have ran, literally, a case of ammo through mine since I last cleaned it, and while it isn't sparkling clean, it functions just as well as if it was. Some people will agree with me on that, some people will inform me that I am abusing my gun, but in the ten years and gazillion round of ammo I have shot this particular MkII of mine, I have taken it down maybe 3 or 4 times to clean it, and maybe 3 or 4 times just to make sure I could.
As to it being a bad design, I disagree. You yourself said it was a good gun and functioned great. That implies that it is a good design. I will grant you that it is not as easy as a Glock (pull slide back .12 inch, pull take down levers, slide off), but that just isn't what this gun is. That it is mechanically more complicated doesn't mean it is a bad design, just that it is more complicated. Oh, I know, "simpler is better", and to a certain extent that is true, but more complicated doesn't mean worse when the parts themselves are simple, it just means more complicated. Using a calculator is more complicated than using your fingers and toes, but that doesn't mean it is an inferior design, it just means you have to learn the tool.
