TITAN308
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Pretty sure I did this method, but I've done so many things its all fuzzy - I will try this when I get off work.
Mark II Re-Assembly (please murder me)
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You assembled it wrong even though you thought you had it right. This is THE classic sign that the hammer strut fell.
I know you don't believe me, but believe me, because I've done it too. I once spent over an hour putting the darn thing back together, following the manual, only to get the "bolt half stuck" each time. And this wasn't the first time I'd taken it apart and put it back together.
I never figured out what I was doing wrong that time. I finally left it alone for awhile, came back later, and very carefully followed all the steps in the Ruger manual EXACTLY as illustrated. I double checked each step and made sure I was holding the gun right side up when they side to do so, upside down when they said to do so, etc.
That time, it worked. I can't say what I did different than everything else I'd been doing for the last hour, but obviously something was different.
Dig out the manual. Follow it EXACTLY. Make sure you hold it upside down and right side up at the right times.
TITAN308
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All else aside - its a pretty sorry design when you take someone who is fluent in assembling and disassembling all types of weaponry and then all of a sudden one particular design causes this kind of problem.
Why they decided to make the ability to assemble correctly so random. Its like if you follow the directions exactly its still random if it will work.
Bad Bad Bad design.
Why they decided to make the ability to assemble correctly so random. Its like if you follow the directions exactly its still random if it will work.
Bad Bad Bad design.
Steve H
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I found this to be the best way to avoid the MkII assemble problem.
http://majesticarms.com/id10.html
http://majesticarms.com/id10.html
MythBuster
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I really can't understand how this is so much of a problem to so many people. I am aware that the first time or two if you don't understand the design it can be a pain but after a few times it become easy.
You should be able to put the gun back togather in about one minute.
You should be able to put the gun back togather in about one minute.
seastrike
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I just went through this last night with a Standard. While you dont have to have the magazine in for final installation it helps.
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"All else aside - its a pretty sorry design when you take someone who is fluent in assembling and disassembling all types of weaponry and then all of a sudden one particular design causes this kind of problem"
My Grandfather used to have a saying.
He used to say "you can train a dog but you have to be smarter than the dog".
This is not a bad design. The people who designed the gun did a fine job. The Ruger Mk II is one of the best pistol designs ever.
They just assumed that gun owners could follow the simple instructions
they put in the manual.
Once you learn to do this you will be amazed at how simple it actually is.
My Grandfather used to have a saying.
He used to say "you can train a dog but you have to be smarter than the dog".
This is not a bad design. The people who designed the gun did a fine job. The Ruger Mk II is one of the best pistol designs ever.
They just assumed that gun owners could follow the simple instructions
they put in the manual.
Once you learn to do this you will be amazed at how simple it actually is.
Old Shooter
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When you get done beating yourself over your MK II assembly, I'll send you my Mk III and wait to watch you to jump off the bridge. Although they are a bit of a pain to dissemble and re-assemble it can be done and practice makes perfect. Check the Ruger manual for this gun and follow it to the T and it should work. What I've run into is that sometimes the parts don't "swing" like they should and the strut isn't where it should be when I try to put it all back together again. But I still have my Ruger and would not get rid of it for anything (Well...almost antything 
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)TITAN308
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No its bad design when assembling all the internal workings of a pistol are (we will not use the term "easier") vastly less frustrating than re-assembling from a simple field strip.
The point is not about "Oh that's how it works" after a few attempts, or numerous frustrating hours.
If a user can not easily pickup a weapon and field strip it and re-assemble without having to look though mounds of information and "tips and tricks" to get it to work - its a bad design.
No one is disputing how nice the gun is - its awesome.
I wonder how many youtube videos showing how easy it is were actually recorded multiple times until the user got it "just right".
Hell I've seen some of the videos where the frame cuts to what is clearly another recording session in an attempt for the user to show how awesome he is at re-assembling it.
Just ranting. :banghead:
The point is not about "Oh that's how it works" after a few attempts, or numerous frustrating hours.
If a user can not easily pickup a weapon and field strip it and re-assemble without having to look though mounds of information and "tips and tricks" to get it to work - its a bad design.
No one is disputing how nice the gun is - its awesome.
I wonder how many youtube videos showing how easy it is were actually recorded multiple times until the user got it "just right".
Hell I've seen some of the videos where the frame cuts to what is clearly another recording session in an attempt for the user to show how awesome he is at re-assembling it.
Just ranting. :banghead:
I love my MKIII, even if its still so tight that it takes a rubber mallet to get the upper on and off and a punch to get the pin on the MSH out.
If you don't like the gun, get on rimfire central and sell it. Lots of people want MKII's.
As for the speed-strip kit, well that's a bunch of BS IMHO, because the lower receiver NEEDS cleaning; all kinds of crud gets blown down in the trigger and bolt release mechanisms.
My first MKII take-down took me 3 hours, and I had the exact same problem as you; the hammer strut kept getting caught behind the frame cross-pin, which results in the bolt only retracting half-way.
If you don't like the gun, get on rimfire central and sell it. Lots of people want MKII's.
As for the speed-strip kit, well that's a bunch of BS IMHO, because the lower receiver NEEDS cleaning; all kinds of crud gets blown down in the trigger and bolt release mechanisms.
My first MKII take-down took me 3 hours, and I had the exact same problem as you; the hammer strut kept getting caught behind the frame cross-pin, which results in the bolt only retracting half-way.
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"If a user can not easily pickup a weapon and field strip it and re-assemble without having to look though mounds of information and "tips and tricks" to get it to work - its a bad design."
I can field strip the gun in 30 seconds and put it back togather in a minute or less. So can you.
I can field strip the gun in 30 seconds and put it back togather in a minute or less. So can you.
TITAN308
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Were you able to do it the first time you did it? or the second? third?
1911, Glock, XDM - etc etc I was able to re-assemble without instructions the first time I took them apart.
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I was not able to do it that fast the first few times but that was many years ago.
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Did you ever think about the Ruger factory? Someone put the gun togather at the factory. Someone no smarter or more professional or more dedicated than any of us.
They did it very quickly and easily. They could do it in the dark after drinking 12 beers. It is also a good chance the person at the factory was not a "gun person".
If they can do it so can you.
They did it very quickly and easily. They could do it in the dark after drinking 12 beers. It is also a good chance the person at the factory was not a "gun person".
If they can do it so can you.
Double Vision
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BW, I'm not trying to stir the pot because I have been in your shoes and it's frustrating. But if you follow the instructions in the manual and use the pictures as a guide, it's not hard.
As it happens, I had to clean a Mk II today, and it went back together on the first try and that's the first time that ever happened!
Why was it so easy? Becuse I kept the manual open and followed it word-for-word along with the picture guide.
Good luck. You can do it.
As it happens, I had to clean a Mk II today, and it went back together on the first try and that's the first time that ever happened!
Why was it so easy? Becuse I kept the manual open and followed it word-for-word along with the picture guide.
Good luck. You can do it.
TITAN308
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So turns out it is a faulty part.
Upon closer inspection putting it together with the upper portion off the strut is seating correctly in the MSH, but for some reason the MSH will not depress enough to lay the hammer flat.
What is causing the bolt to catch is not the strut behind the cross pin, its because the hammer will only cock back so far and its left with a slight angle. This is what the carrier was getting hung up on.
Believe me I am resisting the urge to dance around like a 12 year old giving certain people the middle finger. lol
This Ruger was recovered from a flooded basement and had not been cleaned in about 10 years. The mere act of taking it apart might have been the final straw.
Gonna get the MSG taken apart see if the spring is bound up or something.
I know some of you are use to assuming that if someone does not get it like "you do" they are stupid and inferior. Grow up.
I was putting it together correctly, FAULTY PART just like I thought.
Edit: I am now going to use my ESP to predict the few people talking to me like I am a dumb ape will make up some other excuse to justify their behavior instead of apologizing.
Upon closer inspection putting it together with the upper portion off the strut is seating correctly in the MSH, but for some reason the MSH will not depress enough to lay the hammer flat.
What is causing the bolt to catch is not the strut behind the cross pin, its because the hammer will only cock back so far and its left with a slight angle. This is what the carrier was getting hung up on.
Believe me I am resisting the urge to dance around like a 12 year old giving certain people the middle finger. lol
This Ruger was recovered from a flooded basement and had not been cleaned in about 10 years. The mere act of taking it apart might have been the final straw.
Gonna get the MSG taken apart see if the spring is bound up or something.
I know some of you are use to assuming that if someone does not get it like "you do" they are stupid and inferior. Grow up.
I was putting it together correctly, FAULTY PART just like I thought.
Edit: I am now going to use my ESP to predict the few people talking to me like I am a dumb ape will make up some other excuse to justify their behavior instead of apologizing.
You left that out the first time. Had we known the gun had been mistreated in the past we might have believed you when you insisted you were doing it right and there was something broken in the gun.
I gotta say, this is the first time I've ever seen someone complain they couldn't reassemble a Ruger Mk II and it actually was a broken part. (Heck, mine is fine and I *still* have problems getting the darn thing back together).
TITAN308
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So instead of asking about other factors (like condition) the automatic response should be "lol noob youre doing it wrong" ?
Why couldn't you just entertain the idea I was not doing something wrong and help me troubleshoot from there?
Why couldn't you just entertain the idea I was not doing something wrong and help me troubleshoot from there?
Elkins45
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Not that I have a dog in this fight, but I'll bet if you had mentioned the part about the flooded basement you might have gotten some advice about the possibility of gunk jamming up the MSH. It always helps to share all relevant info up front and not wait until post #42.
maskedman504
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Way to low road the situation BWCustoms; if you were so sure of yourself, then you shouldn't not have sought out advice, only to to criticize it.
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Elkins is correct.
You left out a relevant piece of information which likely would have helped others to help you. So they feel a bit cheated in their efforts while you...
I don't recall anyone accusing you of lying or making fun of you. Mostly folks were honestly trying to assist and all admitted to having trouble re-assembling their Ruger's at first as well.
But it ain't no big thing either way. A learning moment.
tipoc
You left out a relevant piece of information which likely would have helped others to help you. So they feel a bit cheated in their efforts while you...
I don't recall anyone accusing you of lying or making fun of you. Mostly folks were honestly trying to assist and all admitted to having trouble re-assembling their Ruger's at first as well.
But it ain't no big thing either way. A learning moment.
tipoc
TITAN308
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So after repeating multiple times the re-assembly was not the problem and looking for other ideas and some people who kept saying "lol noob youre doing it wrong". I said from the get go it was not a re-assembly problem and asked about other possible issues. From my original post:
BWCustoms said:
So me posting about its prior living condition was irrelevant at that point. Someone could have mentioned "Perhaps something is jamming up the MSH? Any ideas?"
The MSH plunger is pretty damn tight fit - how something could get in there and underneath the spring to prevent proper travel distance I had not considered.
But no - everyone wanted to assume I did not know what I was doing instead of focusing on my original question.
And thus...
Comes full circle.
And tipoc this is not directed at you. Just a few select people who made it clear they thought I was somehow mentally inferior and must be doing something wrong and they know who they are.
You post asking for help.
People try to help with tips assuming you are doing it wrong because there are certain steps that need to take place for proper assembly and most have problems the first few times.
You fault the design of the gun.
You downgrade the people interested enough to help...
People try to help with tips assuming you are doing it wrong because there are certain steps that need to take place for proper assembly and most have problems the first few times.
You fault the design of the gun.
You downgrade the people interested enough to help...
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