Mass. strikes down gay marriage ban

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azthistletoe

If the disease is in your fecal matter, would it not also be in your semen?
No. If you read the page at http://www.immunizecanada.com/hepatitisa.asp you will find that Hepatitis is a disease of the liver. The liver has nothing to do with the reproductive tract.
What is hepatitis A virus?
Hepatitis A is a serious liver disease caused by the hepatitis A virus (HAV). The severity of the disease ranges from sub-clinical infection to fulminant hepatitis and death. Hepatitis A can result in flu-like symptoms including weakness, headache and fever. Other symptoms may include stomach cramps, diarrhea and jaundice (yellowing of the skin or whites of the eyes). These symptoms can last for several weeks and up to 25% of infected adults end up in the hospital.
And I understand that you are trying to pin gays as "disease spreaders", but I do not understand to what avail.
Bringing to your attention what risks and hazards are involved in this behavior is not "trying to pin gays as "disease spreaders"". The fact that their activities are a major cause of the spread of diseases within their community is germane to the discussion. these activities are outside of the mainstream although they would prefer that you thought they were.
Homeless people have lots of diseases, too, should they not be allowed to get married?
True; but we are not talking about homeless people.
 
Hey, that's a good point... only heterosexuals cause unwanted pregnancies.. and unwanted pregnancies are quite a 'scourge' on society, aren't they?

I think we need to ban heterosexual couplings without prior community consent. :neener: :barf:
 
We are talking about a different subject, but you can simply insert homeless for gay in your argument. Should homeless people be allowed to get married since they carry a lot of diseases?
 
Should Blacks because they jump higher? Should Jews because they have all the money? Should Church of Christ because they can't dance? See the trend? I love Black people... My daughter's gonna marry WHO??? See? Search your heart. I don't want my kids to read Larry Loves Joe or whatever the hell it is, in third or fourth grade. I also don't want them to read The Story of O in those grades either. Search yor heart. Find the REASON for your disagreement. I see none answered my earlier question. That says alot in its own right. Give me a caring queer over a fruitcake thumper any day. Too bad. We are NOT all the same.
 
Nightfall

The issue is that you seem to be condemning a community based on individual acts. For example, condemning all gun owners because somebody uses a gun in a murder; condemning all gays because some engage in risky or irresponsible sexual behavior.
You confuse criticism with condemnation.

Criticism is "I don't condone your behavior and I believe it is hurtful to others in your social group and society in general.

Condemnation is "You're all going to Hell if you don't change your ways!"

Know the difference.

And unwanted teen pregnancy, STDs, etc. are spread through heterosexual communities by their behavior. Again, individual behavior.
Gay marriage will not have any effect on the number of teen pregnancies. Teen pregnancies will not cause death and the shortening of the lives of an entire social group.

Although STDs are spread by both groups, they are not spread at the same rate. As an example:

If you go to a Gay club on any night looking for sex, I guarantee you that you will go home, or at least to the parking lot, with someone.

If you go to a Straight club on any night looking for sex, I guarantee you that you will go home; but not necessarily with someone.
 
mantispid

I think we need to ban heterosexual couplings without prior community consent.
Already covered. There are agendists who are trying to make it the law that couples must take marriage counseling classes prior to the issuance of a marriage certificate. I wonder if Homosexuals will be willing to do that part of the marriage dance as well.

They also want couples to take parenting classes and in some jurisdictions this is already required.
 
So because they choose to put themselves at a greater risk (even though not even that's been established, really) they shouldn't be allowed to get married? What's your point, what are you agruing for anymore? You seem to be against the woes of promiscuity. Perhaps you should start a Gay Promiscuity Awarness program in SanFran, teach gay people that they should be more monogomous in their relationships? Like, say.... getting married?
 
azthistletoe

We are talking about a different subject, but you can simply insert homeless for gay in your argument.
I didn't. You did. I merely responded in kind.
Should homeless people be allowed to get married since they carry a lot of diseases?
A specious question but one that deserves an answer.

The chances of homeless people getting married is nil. It would cause a decrease in their SSI payments plus they would not want to put out the money for a license, blood test, or a Justice of the Peace. Other than that, I have no problem with a homeless man and a homeless woman getting married.
 
What about classes to LOVE each other? Your previous post is sooo stereotypical that it made me laugh. Gays will give it up in a heartbeat? I knew girls like that too. So what. Would you not want your son or daughter to marry for love? If your son or daughter was gay would you disown them and cut them from your life or would you want them to be happy & enjoy the rights of hetros?
 
jimpeel

You confuse criticism with condemnation.
Criticize is a synonym for condemn. Condemn is criticism with an unfavorable ‘verdict', which is what you have posted. You're really, really splitting hairs here. :)
Although STDs are spread by both groups, they are not spread at the same rate. As an example:

If you go to a Gay club on any night looking for sex, I guarantee you that you will go home, or at least to the parking lot, with someone.

If you go to a Straight club on any night looking for sex, I guarantee you that you will go home; but not necessarily with someone.
You and I must have very different experiences with gay/bi/lesbian people. I know several gay or bi folks, and none are of the promiscuous, go home with whomever is available type. So you think that the gay community is more sexually irresponsible then the hetero community. Okay, so what does the gov't not allowing gay couples to legally bind themselves to one another have to do with disease here? If anything, would it not encourage monogamous relationships and reduce STD spread? What about lesbians? Since they often engage in less risky sexual behavior than what is allowed by the anatomy of their male counterparts, are they acceptable? If I missed where you pointed out how disease rate is a disqualifying factor for marriage in one of your previous posts, please show it to me. I fail to see what all this amounts to in the marriage argument.
 
Intune

Okay, last post for the night. I have to get up early and fix an under-building water leak. I'll be back to dance in the flames late tomorrow.

What about classes to LOVE each other?
Love is developed through a good relationship, not through taking a class. If that were so, I would be beating that drum for all I am worth.
Your previous post is sooo stereotypical that it made me laugh. Gays will give it up in a heartbeat?
Perhaps a bit of background is in order.

I grew up in So. Cal. in the heart of the Homosexual community, Hollywood. When I was in my mid-teens I used to hitchhike everywhere I went. I have been picked up and propositioned on literally hundreds -- and I do mean hundreds -- of occasions. I have been approached while walking on the street, in bars, in restaurants, etc. If I wanted to participate in these activities, there was no end of opportunities to do so.

Was I curious about such things? Of course. Any man who says he has never been curious is a liar. The heart and soul of our very sexuality, the prostate, is up our rectum.

I was taken by a Chicken Hawk, against my will, to Southeast Los Angeles one night. It was a bit tough to bail out of a car traveling 65MPH on the Harbor Freeway. He insisted that I go to his house because he wanted to "get something". The something, of course, was me.

When we arrived, he wanted me to come upstairs and offered me $20 if I would allow him to fellate me. I told him that I hadn't yet had a woman and I didn't want my first experience to be with a man. I also told him that he was frightening me and I wanted to go home. He then started the car and took me home. Whew!

Another time I was propositioned on the Golden State Freeway in a "put out or get out" scenario. I got out ... in the center divider ... and had to cross five lanes of 70MPH traffic to get off.

I have hung around and associated with homosexuals for many years. I find them to be good natured, talented, funny as Hell, and just plain nice. I have never been interested in them sexually, though.

I still carry a picture of Gene Moore, who performed at the Gay Cabarets in Orange County under the name Jean St. James. He performed in drag and was quite good. When he was a man he was quite handsome. When he was a woman, he was beautiful.

My wife and I would go to the club where he performed and I had no problem whatsoever taking to the dance floor with him. After all, he was a woman then. We liked the Gay clubs because they have the best dance floor, the best music, the best lighting, and the best sound systems. Try it some time, you'll really like it. You will just have to get past the dance floor being populated with nothing but guys; but don't worry, it'll pass.

Gene was promiscuous and flaunted it. He could go from casual to flaming depending on who he was with or where. Funny and capricious, Gene was a gem. He would tell us of his exploits and I still find myself using one of his favorite one liners "How Rude!"

Gene contracted AIDS and passed away. He is the only person I personally know who has died of the disease.

Gene was in the Marines and is buried at the Veteran's Cemetery in San Bernardino, CA. We miss him a lot.

So I have hung around with promiscuous people, I have been propositioned by promiscuous people, I have hung around at the clubs and watched the action. Been there, done that, really, truly, literally.

I know what I am talking about.

I knew girls like that too. So what. Would you not want your son or daughter to marry for love?
My daughter married for love, my son is still waiting for the right woman to come around. They followed their parent's lead. We've been married for 33 years, together 34.
 
jimpeel,
Herpes 1 and 2 are chronic, aren't curable, and have a prevalence of about 45% in blacks but only 17% in whites. I suppose we should prohibit interracial marriages? :rolleyes:

The only right at issue is the right to get married, since secular law differentiates married from non-married couples. What do you think about lesbian marriages? (I'm just trying to isolate that case, since "gay" doesn't imply a gender but you're only focusing on one.) Should they be permitted? If you'd like to judge them based on the percentage of lesbians engaging in anal sex, how do you intend to get that statistic?

Using marriage as a construct solely for rearing children marginalizes children of unwed or divorced parents. There's no reason for such child protection laws to be specific to marital status.
 
Folks, as you know, on THR we've long had a policy of not allowing discussions on religion, sex/sexuality, etc. to go on. The reason should be clear from this thread: these subjects inevitably lead to major clashes of opinion, the generation of rather more heat than light, and a lapse in the high standards of communication we try to maintain here.

We'd hoped that this discussion could have pursued the political and civil liberties issues involved in this matter. Certainly, some of you tried to do so: to you, our thanks. Others, however, took matters off at a tangent (well, several tangents, actually), and that led to seriously off-topic discussion.

In the interests of peace, quiet and the High Road, I think this one is done.
 
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