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I'll start with the TLDR: A tale of two range trips. One which will cost me more ammo, and one which will cost a friend money.

Range Trip #1: Mrs. McGee and I have been together for almost 30 years, but we've only gone to the range together maybe, maybe, 10 times. In all fairness, for many of those years, neither one of us was going to the range. That said, she likes target shooting. Always has. She doesn't want to hunt, and she doesn't want to practice with my EDC pistols. She does enjoy trying to put as many holes as close together as possible. She does not like centerfire calibers. The bang is too big, plain and simple. Given the small amount of time that she's spent shooting, she's still a New Shooter, and I'm still The Host at the range, He Who Clears Jams and Loads Magazines. Well, a couple of years ago, I decided to get her her own .22 pistol (and I've told this story before). I went to the gun show, and I hustled and I horse-traded my way into a couple of Mk IV 22/45s. One Target model for Mrs. McGee, and a Lite for myself. Mind you, I like both models very much, but even from the first outing, there was no question as to who had the more accurate pistol. It weren't me.

Anyway, Sunday before last, Mrs. McGee and I decided to hit the range. I have a buddy who'd wanted to go to the range, so I invited him and his wife to come along. They couldn't make it, but Mrs. McGee and I went, anyway. I know that .22LR ammo is hard to come by right now, but it's worth it to get to spend some time with my wife at the range, right? I certainly think so. I made sure we had some reactive (Shoot-N-C) targets, put a box of Federal Auto Match in the bag, and off we went. The first round went pretty well, for a lady who hadn't shot in about 2 years. The second round went even better, and by the end, her shooting was markedly better than the first round. She also put a few mags through my suppressed Lite. She liked it OK, but not as much as her target gun. She really likes hers. We finally decided to call it a day, and as we gathered up our gear, she said, "You know, this was fun. I could do this every Sunday morning. We could make it a weekly date." She also commented on the way home that she now understands why I come back from the range all zenned out and stress-free. That's gonna cost me more ammo, but I'm good with it.

Range Trip #2: As I mentioned, I have a buddy who has been wanting to go to the range. He has recently been bitten by The Gun Bug, and I would also call him a New Shooter. He comes to me with a fair number of gun questions, and I'm (of course) happy to answer them. He recently told me he wants to get into some longer-distance shooting, and that he thought a .22 would be a good way to start. (We all know I love .22s, so how could I disagree with him?) Anyway, he also asked, "Do you know anything about 10/22s?" I'm no engineer, we all know this, but I've owned a 10/22 longer than he's been alive. So, yeah, I told him I know a little bit about them. It was also gun show weekend, and he was dying to get out and buy one. I told him to wait until we could get to the range, so that he could shoot a couple of my .22s, and see what he really liked.

Now, all of that happened before Range Trip #1, so we have to fast forward over Range Trip #1 to yesterday. It did not look like things were going to line up for us at all, but Mrs. McGee and I were headed to the range, and it was a beautiful morning. I packed up all of the usual supplies, pistols for myself and Mrs. McGee, and just in case he made it, these two:
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After many texts and several events that led me to believe he was bailing on us, he finally showed up. First up: He shoots my suppressed 22/45 Lite. I don't think he'd ever shot a .22 before, but he seemed to like it OK. Then I handed him an older Ruger .22 (pre-Mark-name), and he liked that OK, too. But he was really there for the rifles. I ask him which he'd like to shoot first, and he tells me, "I don't know. I've never shot a rifle. I'm here to learn." Bolt action it is. So I get him set up, tell him what he needs to do as far as sight picture. (We were on the pistol range at <10 yards, and my scopes are zeroed at either 25 or 50.) He knocks the center out of the bullseye with his first shot, and (of course) lights up like a kid at Christmas. And he does his level best to destroy the bullseye over the next couple of mags. Then we switch him to the 10/22. And he basically does the same thing to a second target I had up for him. At the end, he was torn. He liked the wood stock of the 10/22, but could tell that the RAR, with its significantly longer barrel, was more accurate. The 10/22 was fun for him, but the RAR forced him to take a little time between shots, and he liked that, too.

I will also add that Mrs. McGee cleared her own jams the second time around, and loaded many of her own mags while I worked with New Shooter #2. She had a few failures to feed, but I hadn't cleaned her pistol in about 500 rounds, so it was likely just crud causing problems. A quick spritz of Hornady One Shot got her back up and running. I guess it's time for me to be He Who Cleans the Pistols next.

Then I might have played a little dirty. I moved the Dead Air Mask over from my 22/45 Lite to the Ruger American Rimfire, and loaded a couple of magazines with CCI Quiet ammo. I told him, "Just for fun, listen to this." After my third shot, the spent casing hit him in the arm and it was only then that the realized I'd already started shooting.... The shock on his face was priceless. And then I let him put a couple of mags through it.
:evil:

I told him that he's going to wind up with a bolt gun and a semi-auto eventually, that he just has to decide which he wants first. So I guess I'll be helping him look for good prices on his next gun for a bit.
:D

I probably owe his wife and his bank account an apology.
 
Sounds like a nice time at the range.

Thank you. You have given me an idea.
Like you, my wife has literally gone shooting with me just a few times but I want to get her more interested. I think I will try making a “Range Date” with her and only take .22s with us. :thumbup:
 
I'm waiting to hear the bad thing you did. Sounds like fun was had by all. That's all good!
My buddy's bank account may disagree soon! :rofl:

Nice bolt action rifle, btw!
I'm not a bolt gun aficionado, not by any stretch of the imagination. That said, I do really like the RARs. I can't wait to shoot the new one!
 
I'm envious, my wife has absolutely no interest in shooting, actually she has less than absolutely no interest in shooting. My granddaughter enjoys shooting with me but her boyfriend is taking up her time right now. He is has shot a firearm a couple times and has said he is interested in trying it again. Need to work on him, maybe develop a gun enthusiast.
 
I'm envious, my wife has absolutely no interest in shooting, actually she has less than absolutely no interest in shooting.
My wife always had the interest in shooting. What took a long time for me to figure out was that her interest in shooting (target .22 shooting) wasn't going to morph into my interest in shooting (EDC practice).
My granddaughter enjoys shooting with me but her boyfriend is taking up her time right now. He is has shot a firearm a couple times and has said he is interested in trying it again. Need to work on him, maybe develop a gun enthusiast.
Work on him. Our Darling Daughter's first serious boyfriend came from a non-gun home, but not an anti-gun home. They just didn't own any. When Boyfriend asked me to take him to the range, I was glad to. I wasn't going to do it without his dad's permission, and before I knew it, I was taking both Boyfriend AND his dad to the range!
 
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Spats

A most excellent account of your two range trips! I have only taken my wife a couple of times to the range. Even though I got her a decent gun for her very own (a vintage, new in the box, S&W Model 34 with a Hogue Monogrip), she's just not into the whole indoor range experience. Would love to take her to more rural, outdoor setting but unfortunately there's no place like that to go to. I have also been a big fan in starting beginning shooters out with my .22s. Every ones favorite is my Beretta Model 70S along with my super accurate Ruger Mk.II Target model. For those who prefer a rifle then my Ruger 10/22 pretty much fills the bill with being both reliable and accurate!

Oh well there's always the kids to go shooting with though their free time is extremely limited these days with having more kids of their own to take care of. I hope I can hang around long for awhile so I can start teaching the grandkids about shooting when their old enough!
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I thought you were describing my wife for a few minutes there :) She hasn't gotten into it enough to ask for "range dates" yet, but ill keep trying...

Just in case his bank account need some extra punishment.... When I went looking for a bolt .22, I shouldered everything I could find, and was VERY impressed by the features and quality of the RAR. It was even significantly cheaper than the price point I had in mind (had my eye on a CZ for a while). But I wasn't a fan of that plastic stock either. It finally dawned on me that I could order a Boyd's stock for it and be into the whole thing for essentially what I was planning on spending anyway. I'm well aware that it probably isn't accurate enough to see a huge improvement from the stock upgrade... I just thought I'd enjoy the gun more with it, and I now have full adjustment of both LOP and cheek height for when my wife or kids shoot it. I put a nikkon scope and a bipod on it, and the kids and I all love plinking with it, anywhere from 50 to 200 yards. My son gets a real kick out if ringing the gong out at 200 yards with it.
 
Spats

A most excellent account of your two range trips!....
Thank you.
I have only taken my wife a couple of times to the range. Even though I got her a decent gun for her very own (a vintage, new in the box, S&W Model 34 with a Hogue Monogrip), she's just not into the whole indoor range experience. Would love to take her to more rural, outdoor setting but unfortunately there's no place like that to go to....
I'm very fortunate in this. Mrs. McGee doesn't care for indoor ranges -- too hot and stuffy. Nor is she interested in any place where she might have to use an outhouse. BUT, the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission owns the range that we went to: Outdoor shooting with a decent clubhouse, cold drinks, & clean bathrooms about 100' from the range.
I have also been a big fan in starting beginning shooters out with my .22s. Every ones favorite is my Beretta Model 70S along with my super accurate Ruger Mk.II Target model. For those who prefer a rifle then my Ruger 10/22 pretty much fills the bill with being both reliable and accurate!
I've always liked your collection of .22s, bannockburn. If you get a hankering for a bolt action, I'll recommend the RAR right now. IMHO, it's a pretty darned good bargain, and it's awfully nice to have something that uses all those 10/22 magazines you've collected over the years.

I thought you were describing my wife for a few minutes there :) She hasn't gotten into it enough to ask for "range dates" yet, but ill keep trying...
To be honest, I felt a little like a wildlife photographer. I was afraid if I moved too quickly, I's spook her.
Just in case his bank account need some extra punishment.... When I went looking for a bolt .22, I shouldered everything I could find, and was VERY impressed by the features and quality of the RAR. It was even significantly cheaper than the price point I had in mind (had my eye on a CZ for a while). But I wasn't a fan of that plastic stock either. It finally dawned on me that I could order a Boyd's stock for it and be into the whole thing for essentially what I was planning on spending anyway. I'm well aware that it probably isn't accurate enough to see a huge improvement from the stock upgrade... I just thought I'd enjoy the gun more with it, and I now have full adjustment of both LOP and cheek height for when my wife or kids shoot it. I put a nikkon scope and a bipod on it, and the kids and I all love plinking with it, anywhere from 50 to 200 yards. My son gets a real kick out if ringing the gong out at 200 yards with it.
Actually, my buddy and I talked at some length about whether he wanted to just buy a target gun, or buy one with good basics, then trick it out on his own. He's mechanically inclined, and wants to do the work. And he really likes the fact that there's a ton of aftermarket support for Rugers. So I'm sure we'll be discussing a whole bunch of different stocks down the road. The one thing I told him that he should go ahead and pay for up front was the bull barrel. I feel like that's money that will be well spent up front. Unfortunately, Nikon isn't making scopes any more, so I'll have to help him figure out some glass from someone else.
 
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. He's mechanically inclined, and wants to do the work. And he really likes the fact that there's a ton of aftermarket support for Rugers. So I'm sure we'll be discussing a whole bunch of different stocks down the road. The one thing I told him that he should go ahead and pay for up front was the bull barrel. I feel like that's money that will be well spent up front.

I feel like the more money spent upfront, the better. Get what one knows they want from the factory upfront, then the money spent on aftermarket is more focused.

I should follow my own advice more often...;)


I'm waiting to hear the bad thing you did.

“Said the Gun Purchase Enabler, to the other!”, observed the same.

:D

I’m ashamed of you, Mr. McGee.

Help this poor man with his decision, the only logical choice is both rifles. Anyone around here knows that...:)

(Ah, if it were only in the cards that way.
I’d have less space in my safe...)
 
I feel like the more money spent upfront, the better. Get what one knows they want from the factory upfront, then the money spent on aftermarket is more focused.
My theory is that you should buy those features you can't do at home. Anything that requires milling, for example. I feel like the RAR with a bull barrel will provide him with a solid base gun that he can build on. As would a 10/22 with a bull barrel, tbh. At this point, he's just got to figure how which he really wants to shoot.

I’m ashamed of you, Mr. McGee.

Help this poor man with his decision, the only logical choice is both rifles. Anyone around here knows that...:)
Now you just hold that phone there, mister! :neener: In my OP, I said:
....I told him that he's going to wind up with a bolt gun and a semi-auto eventually, that he just has to decide which he wants first. So I guess I'll be helping him look for good prices on his next gun for a bit....
You are correct. Of course, the only logical choice is both! I'm just not sure he's going to be able to do both at once.
 
Spats, on the subject of gun ranges, if you're not familiar with Arkansas Armory they aren't stuffy or hot/cold at the wrong time by my standards unlike the other NLR indoor range. They do cost a couple of bucks more but I'm willing to pay that for the improvement in conditions especially when hot/cold or wet outside.

While pricy by my standards the CASA range claims to offer a clubhouse with heat and air and mens and womens restrooms in the clubhouse. I haven't been a member there since it's early days so I'm going by their website info. You do get a key so you can go when you want to go, like Benton.
 
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Growing up I had a winchester .22 pump.That is still one of the best shooters I have ever had. Nice that you could fire short, long, and long rifle all mixed up with no problems.
Maybe your friend needs one of those old trusty guns!
 
I've gotten the Mrs to go shooting a few times, and she really enjoys it. Spent a considerable amount of time on the couch at home, just going over safety and function with her. Before our first trip, she'd never fired anything...not even a bb gun. I could see how it could turn off new shooters, spending so much time learning and not shooting. I was worried I'd lose her on it before she ever shot, but she understood the importance. Seeing how seriously I took safety actually made her more at ease.

After a few trips, she now loads her own mags and bangs away on the 8" plate at 15 yards with "her" p238. She can go through 100 rounds in no time, so I only glance up occasionally to check on her since preoccupied trying to keep tabs on all the brass.

Best part is, it only took 10 years for her to go from
"I know you have guns but I really don't think guns in the house is a good idea when our kid is born"
To
"Ok, it is a lot of fun. I understand why you need so much ammo and stuff to make ammo"

As a bonus, my soon to be 10 year old (who doesn't have much interest so far) is coming around a little. At least in that he, entirely on his own, learned to summarize the Bill of Rights. He mentioned that he understands why I exercise my 2A rights and he's glad that mama learned how to shoot too.
 
Spats, on the subject of gun ranges, if you're not familiar with Arkansas Armory they aren't stuffy or hot/cold at the wrong time by my standards unlike the other NLR indoor range. Thy do cost a couple of bucks more but I'm willing to pay that for the improvement in conditions especially when hot/cold or wet outside.

While pricy by my standards the CASA range claims to offer a clubhouse with heat and air and mens and womens restrooms in the clubhouse. I haven't been a member there since it's early days so I'm going by their website info. You do get a key so you can go when you want to go, like Benton.
I am familiar with Arkansas Armory & go there whenever Mayflower isn't an option for whatever reason. I agree with your assessment. They are a little pricier than Don's, but also better ventilated. It was going to be hard to beat a ~65* day and $3 to shoot, though.

I'd like to join either CASA or the Benton Gun Club. I keep running the numbers in my head, though, and my brain says, "you can to go Mayflower X times for the cost of that membership." I hear that CASA is the nicer range, but they want you to shoot 8 matches a year. There's no possible way I have time for that. Still, if they have decent facilities, that might be an even better option than Mayflower.
 
Good on you Spats. We been doing that for years , it is fun and we are blessed with family land about a hour away.
Mine has no interest in anything 22. She will blast 38 pistol and 9 mm carbine all day long!
 
Handy hint: I also pre-scouted the range to find one with acceptable bathroom facilities. I don't know about Mrs. Riot, but Mrs. McGee has no interest in outhouses.

We’ll be going to an indoor range with nice clean restrooms. She has gone there with me as my gun bag carrier. I had some surgery from a motorcycle accident. She came along to help me. Since then she hasn’t gone.
 
My bride took a real interest in shooting right off the first hop, that was 49 years ago. One fond memory was when she ran out to the tractor very upset that she had just shot and killed something in the house.... Mrs dirt demanded a thorough investigation.... Course i jumped outta the ole case tractor and ran back to the house... Now this was a farm that we had just bought and i was repairing darn near everything including the old shack we were happy to call our home. Apparently we were sharing the living arrangments with a red squirrel that up until now had escaped my attention. This varmit had crawled down through the roof of the kitchen into the living area and scared the heck outta my bride..... where-upon she grabbed the single six and promtly put an end to it.

Yes, it has always been a major benefit that the Mrs. shoots..... We share many interest..... but shooting was important to both of us.....
 
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Nor is she interested in any place where she might have to use an outhouse.

And now i notice all the comments about yee ole outhouse.... hummmm I gotta admit that is all there was on this farm......and it took me a lot of seriouse work to complete indoor plumping before winter... But then in the middle of night being warm indoors and light to read.... well yes pure joy.....
 
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