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This is going to be long, please bare with me. My 16 yo daughter invited a friend and her mother over a few weeks ago. Mom is going though a divorce, he cheated on her. Nineteen years with the same guy and he's a little abusive to her and their kids. I talk with the mom about the situation and its setting off alarm bells in my head, I think her ex is about to do something stupid, I tell her my thoughts. Life goes on.

The ex shows up at a sports event a few weeks later with pictures of them doing things adults do. He shows the pictures to other moms. Talks about what a whore his soon to be ex wife is, tells people she is evil. I've met the woman and talked to her for hours. Nice lady, a little meek. I can tell the husband has kept her in a box for years. She starts the restraining order paperwork. She is terrified and so are her kids. They really don't know what he will do, he threatens her life. Say's she will be better off dead.

I'm hearing most of this second hand from my daughter. Today my wife calls, they have become friends, tells me the mom and daughter are staying with us for a few days. Fine I say, she needs a safe place to sleep, we can give her that. About 4:30 comes around, wife asks me to take the daughter home and get her bags, no problem I say. I gather up the daughter and take her home, mom is there they get their stuff together and we leave. Now the interesting part . . .

They live waaaaaaaay back in the hills, 50 minute police response. We are driving to my place, mom in a car behind the daughter and I. Here comes the ex . . . just found out about the restraining order. So why is he here? What is he doing? The mom and daughter already told me he is "really into guns" whatever that means to them. To me, it means he is likely packing. So am I, permit and all of course. He flips around and follows us.

We are in the hills, so no cell service. He does not know me, never met me. He tries to pass and presumably block in the mom, I don't let him. I call 911. I keep my car between him and the mom, safely, I have her daughter with me. I keep the 911 operator informed as to where we are an what the ex is doing. He is flailing his arms, honking the horn, generally being a PITA. We get out of the hills and hit a stoplight, cross traffic is heavy, we can not run it. We all stop, he gets out, so do I. He is heading for the mom. I get between him and the mom's car and pull my shirt up and place my hand on my weapon, tell him to stop and get back in his car and leave. He asks if I am a cop, I ignore it. I say the sheriff is on the way. 2-3 minutes of posturing takes place, I do not draw. He gets back in his car and I think he is leaving, he pulls closer to the mom. He's digging around in the car, I tell him not to do anything threatening, hand still on my .45. He gets out with papers and heads towards the mom again. I get between them again and tell him to leave. He's rabid, I am seriously afraid he has a gun and is about to force me to do something I can never take back. I mentally prepare , as much as I can, to get shot. I think I have the advantage, but . . . I don't know what this whack job is up to. I talk him back into his car and he leaves.

Mom and daughter are mortified, neither knew I had a gun. Later on mom was crying in my arms thanking me. She was terrified of this man she had spent 20 odd years with.

I was in the right place at the right time and did a good thing. I hope it is the one and only time I ever am faced with such a situation. I was not afraid. Later on I almost passed out from some chemical imbalance in my system or plain old hyperventilation, not sure. I am fine now, I know I did good. Mom ands daughter are at my house until we can change the locks at her house and get her a CCW and a gun.
 
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you did a good thing. :)

glad everything turn out fine. :)

so did the sheriff arrived after the incidence ?
 
Sheriff was there ~20 minutes after the 911 call. :barf: We are in the sticks, so it's not the LEO's fault it took so long to get there. Important thing was the mom and daughter both learned the cops can't always be there when you need them. They are sheep, like 98% of the public. But I was there to help and now I will teach them what I know to help them not live in fear.
 
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1st step to growing out of sheep status, realize that the sheep dog will not always be there for you. Sounds like these ladies may have learned that lesson in a less painful than usual fashion. Now onward to the 2nd step. Growing teeth (arming yourself) so you can be a sheepdog.
 
Good Job. Glad no one got hurt. I have an aunt who is separated from an abusive jerk and he just moved back in the area, this same situation has gone through my head a few times.
 
Good job! Tough situation!

What can you honestly do in that situation??? I am making the assumption that you were standing outside the mom's car door, requesting that the ex return to his car. Let's say that he has no weapon, but he is equal in size to you, and he walks right up to you (furious, of course)... Maybe he pushes you out of the way, or even reaches for the arm that has your 45 in that hand. Either way, one of those 2 things is what he WILL do when he gets close enough. You can't draw. Your life, nor anyone else's, has been threatened. You are in a weak position, because you only have 1 hand to wrestle with him. If the mom weren't right there, you would be best off to retreat, but you cannot do that. Backing off would let him have access to the mom's car.
 
Important thing was the mom and daughter both learned the cops can't always be there when you need them.They are sheep, like 98% of the public. But I was there to help and now I will teach them what I know to help them not live in fear.

yes, everyone needs to learn to protect themselves in time of trouble. who's the best person to do it ? the cold hard truth is yourself. the cops will take time to arrive at the scene. :)

maybe you can ask/convince your daughter to pick up shooting if she's not into it. by the time she's 21 , she will be ready to ccw. :)
 
You did good. Maybe take a fellow CCW'er with you as a precaution? Maybe some OC as a non-lethal deterrent? It just gives them one more chance to live if you can safely employ it. If not, well....
 
I am making the assumption that you were standing outside the mom's car door, requesting that the ex return to his car. Let's say that he has no weapon, but he is equal in size to you, and he walks right up to you (furious, of course)... Maybe he pushes you out of the way, or even reaches for the arm that has your 45 in that hand. Either way, one of those 2 things is what he WILL do when he gets close enough. You can't draw. Your life, nor anyone else's, has been threatened. You are in a weak position, because you only have 1 hand to wrestle with him. If the mom weren't right there, you would be best off to retreat, but you cannot do that. Backing off would let him have access to the mom's car.

I kept him back to no less than ~10ft from me, 25+ from the mom. I am 6'3" 200 and he is ~6' 250. I forgot to mention he is a body builder and very likely on steroids. I am an ex Marine and would have stopped him physically without deadly force if I had to, I did not. I was unbelievable how angry he was at first when he exited his car, he was going straight for the mom in a rage. When I commanded him to stop and he saw my hand on my gun it was like someone puled the plug on him. While he was trying to asses the situation I took advantage of his confusion and took the mental high ground. As long as the encounter stayed brief I thought I could contain him, it worked out and we were able to get away. The whole thing lasted ~5 minutes at a busy intersection, no one stopped to see what was going on or to help. :cuss:
 
Glad everyone went home safely.

The first thing I'm going to say is the same thing I say every time the phrase >restraining order< comes up.

If your family is any sort of a friend to this woman and her family you will make -sure- she understands that a "restraining" order is a legal document that gives law enforcement legal grounds to arrest the violator after (note that word AFTER) they have ignored it.

A "restraining" order is NOT a magic shield that will prevent the ex from coming around. Fully 80% of the time a restraining order actually serves to incite rage. The order needs to be filed as part of the progression of legal action but the period right after one is filed is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.

Now my second caution. You and your family are now involved in this situation. Fine, that is your choice and I'm not judging you but as I said above, the period right after a restraining order is issued can be extremely dangerous so you and yours need to remain on high alert as well now that you are involved.

By the way, have your friend get a notebook and/or a voice recorder and document EVERYTHING. Every phone call, every encounter, date, time, details. I mean everything, even if you start getting hang-up type phone calls you need to document it. EVERYTHING!

Later on I almost passed out from some chemical imbalance in my system or plain old hyperventilation
Yeah, adrenaline dump can be a real bear sometimes!
 
NIce work. Nice move not responding to his question of whether you're a cop or not. Hard to tell from your story if he ended up thinking you were or not, but being unsure about it can't hurt you. A mental note for when a BG asks; side-step the question. +1 on the OC. I've seen some guys carrying some in addition to their two mags, gun, and flashlight. Preparedness at all levels.
 
Good work!

Spencerhut--Good on you! Sounds like you handled it right! Good advice above regarding documenting EVERYTHING until the abusive husband is dealt with by The System. Lawyers can make mountains out of the darndest little mole-hills.

BTW, we can expect to never hear of your case on national TV--after all, you had a--gasp--gun and instead of causing mayhem, its presence enabled you to NOT have to use any physical force.

Obviously something wrong there, and completely unnewsworthy.

I take it that the Sheriff's people, when they arrived, had no problem with your actions--if so, good on them, too!

Good wishes to you, your wife, the ladies you rescued, AND to the husband--may he someday learn to be a Real Man.
 
Excellent job.

I assume that today you are taking the mom and daughter to the shooting range to start their education on how to take care of themselves?

You can't be with them 24/7...

Sawdust
 
I too am glad it worked out without escalation. As ZeSpectre said though, you have placed yourself (and those around you) in the middle of it, and often times way past the end of the situation between the nut and his family, he will remember you and focus in on you as that object that stood between him and what he wanted. Please be careful for a while. His anger towards his family will (hopefuly) deminish, but you as a target, may be high on his list for a long time.
 
Awesome job, thank God there are still people that are willing to take risks to save others

Oh and add one more point for the good guys :cool:
 
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