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Mayor Fenty has spoken...in predictable for him fashion!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by camacho, Sep 4, 2007.

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  1. camacho

    camacho Member

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    From todays Washington Post:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../09/03/AR2007090300797.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

    The following is full of 'gems' but my favorite one is:
    Also, it must be noted that that overwhelming majority of the comments are pro-gun. Maybe when he says "our handgun ban" he really means his and Linda Singer's.

     
  2. JohnBT

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    The pic accompanying the article is funnier than the article. The caption says "A Colt .45-caliber semiautomatic handgun"

    PH2007090300993.jpg
     
  3. Kharn

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    Due to English being read from left to right, images that point in that direction are preferred. Someone just got lazy about their clipart.

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  4. Old Fuff

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    Well they are trying to help out disadvantaged south-paws by offering a left-hand version of Browning's famous pistol. They should be given the credit that's due... :neener: :D
     
  5. strat81

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    But wait, if gun bans work, shouldn't there be no more gun crime in DC? I'm confused. :)
     
  6. Loyalist Dave

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    While the actual SC opinion does say this,
    The anti-gunners, inclueless Mayor Fenty, often argue the following, but the opinion doesn't say this:
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    US vs. Miller put the SC in a sort of bind, for the law did say Miller was still subject to the Militia Act, BUT the court also understood that Miller's record was such that they didn't want him, or other felons, to be using sawed-off shotguns. In the argument presented to the court, no proof was provided that such a gun was "necessary to a well regulated militia" so they found an "out". Sawed-off shotguns were not shown to be necessary so the state may ban possession of them, and so Miller could be found guilty.

    Geez, if you extrapolate the logic, that IF Miller had been caught with an official arm used by the military, like a Springfield .30-06 or a Colt 1911, then they would've had to have found in favor of Miller. So then Miller, it might be argued, actually is case law prohibiting the banning of military style semi-automatic rifles, sometimes mislabled as assault weapons.

    LD
     
  7. SoCalShooter

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    I say tell them to prove that statement. Hard facts not just emotions. If they aint got the facts and the numbers to prove it then they have no use in banning them.
     
  8. Dean C

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    Another thing to look at might be the fact that for them to magnify the
    .45-caliber :eek: to look like 45-caliber ;), the image reversed.
    dean
     
  9. Old Fuff

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    I disagree with the Attorney General of Washington D.C., and her interpretation of the Second Amendment. But just for grins I wonder if she ever checked out what the Militia of the United States is comprised of.

    This is THE militia alluded to in the Second Amendment.
     
  10. Standing Wolf

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    Ah. I knew there had to be a reason Washington, D.C. is one of the most dangerous cities in the nation.
     
  11. romma

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    By forcing it's citizens to be defensless to armed criminals. Wow!

    Someone should wear shirts to the DC hearings with that new catchphrase that's going around here: When seconds count the police are just minutes away!
     
  12. Deanimator

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    I read on a Chicago cop's blog today that fifteen people were murdered (presumably shot) in Chicago between Friday and Monday.

    Since Chicago has a handgun ban, HOW could that POSSIBLY happen? Obviously either they were all shot with $10,000 trap guns or the whole thing's just a hoax...
     
  13. otcconan

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    That whole militia thing has dogged us to this day. We here understand that the militia is the people, but it would have been better if the framers had just said, "The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed" and left it at that.

    Still, the rest of the Constitution is just about perfect, and after all, these were people, and people make mistakes, especially when trying to come to compromises. Hell, they made a mistake with the 3/4 compromise as well.
     
  14. Outlaws

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    So this guy is going to argue that the Feds have zero ground to make any gun laws, and only states have the right? So then both sides of this case will agree the Feds have no rights?

    Are there any Federal gun laws even? I know there are the "commerce" laws, but other than maybe entrance into Federal buildings I am hard pressed to think of one off hand.
     
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    Hmm , let me see . FFL , the quaint form you need to fill out before purchase, "tax stamp" , etc etc

    How about http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/2005/p53004/index.htm
     
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    I don't know about FFLs or the 4473, but the "tax stamp" is definitely a "commerce" law and would require another suit. It ain't going anywhere anytime soon no matter the ruling.

    I am more interested in knowing what laws would immediately be null and void.
     
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    Easy. Just think of all of the muggers, rapists, and other assorted detritus who weren't brought to heel by their victims. Gun control saves lives, I tell you!
     
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    "more better" article

    One that captures Fenty's characteristic butchering of the English language:

    http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=3557023

     
  19. Titan6

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    But you are 8,675,987,442 times more likely to have your guns used against you then to defend yourself. I know because I just made that number up myself. But at least they are making it themselves loud and clear now:

    "Whatever right the Second Amendment guarantees, it does not require the district to stand by while its citizens die."

    Wait a sec... So there is a right? But the government is going to put a stop to all of that. Thank goodness somebody up there is watching out for DC residents.
     
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    So what happens if the SC (or another court) applies this definition?
    You turn 46 you have to sell your guns?
     
  21. Robert Hairless

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    If the District should have authority just like that of the states, unfortunate things happen to the District's argument that the Second Amendment does not apply to it because it is not a state.

    If the District has assumed the duty to keep its residents safe, that duty should extend to the safety of each and every resident in the District, including those for whom the District has failed in its duty. Victims of violent crime within the District should be compensated by the District for its failure to fulfill the duty it has assumed.

    Given a sufficient number of the District's failures to fulfill its duty to keep its residents safe, the District's Mayor and other city officials should be liable for their misfeasance, malfeasance, and nonfeasance.

    The latest Bureau of the Census ranking of states by violent crimes would make the District the most violent state in the nation, with almost twice as many violent crimes for its population as the current leader in that ranking. No other state even comes close to the District in that competition, and when one considers the small geographical area of the District compared with the states, the violent crime rate in it is a scandal and a national disgrace. Instead of attempting to defend the indefensible, the District's administrators would do better to flee the country and hope for anonymity to protect it from a citizenry it has so badly wronged since at least 1976.
     
  22. Feanaro

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    Bad things. But it would be dishonest to apply a standard created 200 years after the Second Amendment was written. So far, they haven't sunk that low.
     
  23. cassandrasdaddy

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    robert you forgot to mention the plethora of local and federal police agencys that are in dc and unable to stem the carnage
     
  24. Cosmoline

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    ? The Commerce clause is not part of the BOR. It's an express grant of authority to the federal government. But just because a law is valid under the Commerc clause or another enumerated power does not mean it's valid under the BOR. If the DC ban is declared unconstitutional, nothing automatically happens to any other law. The impact of the ruling will depend on its wording.
     
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