McCarthy frustrated, but not deterred after shield law passes

[JG]

Hate her........there is a poll though at the link below in case you want to vote. Newsday is a liberal rag, so don't be surprised if we lose.

McCarthy frustrated, but not deterred after shield law passes


Bill to Shield Gun Makers Is Approved
Oct 21, 2005


BY J. JIONI PALMER
WASHINGTON BUREAU

October 21, 2005


WASHINGTON -- The armor-piercing bullets from the pistol killed her husband and gravely wounded her son and catapulted Carolyn McCarthy from obscurity into Congress. For the past eight years, her very presence has reminded her colleagues of the perils of gun violence, and her voice has been among the most forceful in favor of gun control.

While she has experienced some successes since her crusade began - most notably passage of the assault weapons ban, perhaps the apex of the gun control movement - more often than not, she's struggled to halt rollbacks of restrictions.

"I hope that my efforts may have prevented one family from going through what I did," says McCarthy (D-Mineola), sitting at her desk in the Cannon House office building. "This job has given me the opportunity to fight for what I believe with all my heart and soul can make a difference. Anything worth fighting for means losing some battles."

The assault weapons ban, her key issue when she won her first term, lapsed last year with little hope of being resuscitated. And yesterday, the House passed legislation preventing lawsuits against gun makers or sellers.

A top priority of the National Rifle Association, yesterday's action was a long-sought remedy to stop a legal strategy similar to the one that was used to great effect against tobacco companies during the 1990s. Congressional approval of the measure - it passed the Senate during the summer and President George W. Bush is expected to sign it - is a high-water mark for gun rights advocates.

"I think there's been a major sea change on the issue," said Andrew Arulanandam, NRA public affairs director.

As the era of former President Bill Clinton began to fade, he said, the tide began to turn in favor of gun rights activists and swelled considerably after Bush was elected in 2000. Bush won narrowly in several states where former Vice President Al Gore's gun control stance was a perceived liability.

"It's a good time from a political perspective," Arulanandam said.

Though she'd cast the climate on Capitol Hill in different terms, McCarthy agrees that the immediate prospect for sweeping - or even incremental - gun control legislation is bleak.

"There are no two ways about it. This particular Congress, more so than ever, is pro-gun," McCarthy says.

It's frustrating, she admits, and that makes her mad. Her anger propels her to push back harder, even though it brings back the pain of Dec. 7, 1993, when Colin Ferguson opened fire on the 5:33 p.m. Long Island Rail Road train to Hicksville. He killed six people and wounded another 19 and was convicted in 1995.

"Let's face it, every time I fight this fight, it brings me back to a place that consciously I don't want to go," McCarthy says. "But I have to do it. If I'm not going to talk about it and be passionate about it, then should I be here? It really comes down to that. That is the reason I'm here. That's why I came to Congress and that's why I'll stay here."

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uscaro214478043oct21,0,5449965.story

 

[DonP]

Huh?

"The armor-piercing bullets from the pistol killed her husband..."

Where did that come from and what difference would that make? My understanding is that he was shot pretty much at point blank range on the train by this nut case.

Even if he did have "armor piercing" bullets I doubt if the husband would be any less dead if he had the plain old regular kind.

But then again it's a way to throw another stock emotional phrase into an article.

Carolyn McCarthy should win the Sarah Brady award for building a career off of a tragic shooting of a loved one. BTW, Does anyone know if Sarah B. testified at the recent hearings on giving Hinkley unsupervised visists?

 

[Werewolf]

"Let's face it, every time I fight this fight, it brings me back to a place that consciously I don't want to go," McCarthy says. "But I have to do it. If I'm not going to talk about it and be passionate about it, then should I be here? It really comes down to that. That is the reason I'm here. That's why I came to Congress and that's why I'll stay here."

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

If her husband had been carrying odds are he would be alive today. Why oh why is it so hard for people like McCarty to understand that?

I - just - do not - get it!

 

[grampster]

Maybe this gentle lady ought to be politely reminded that if she were to expend the effort she has trying to ban guns, toward punishing violent criminals quickly, severely , and without mercy, she may have more effect on making the streets a safer place.

Trouble with folks who have been dragged into irrationality by some horrifying act, it is easier to blame an object rather than a person.

She also ought to be gently reminded that when freedom is the order of the day, there is also danger present. I would much rather be exposed to a danger that I might avoid or confront from a superior position than to be enslaved by an unavoidable tyrant who makes the streets safe and the trains run on time.

 

[xd9fan]

the victim class grows....govt please help me.....I will give up my "rights" so you can keep me safe....

 

[USAFNoDAk]

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

If her husband had been carrying odds are he would be alive today. Why oh why is it so hard for people like McCarty to understand that?

I - just - do not - get it!

Because people who are driven by emotion do not think things all the way through to their logical conclusion. Nor do they stop to try and anticipate the ramifications of their ideological wishes coming true. People like her are convinced that laws banning guns will actually do so. Well it may do so for normally law abiding folks, but not for criminals. She needs only to open her eyes, ears, and mind, and look to the UK to see how gun control there does not stop criminals from committing crimes with guns.

These people also don't realize that to try and get guns away from criminals and law abiding citizens as well, we would need to migrate towards a police state. Maybe she is OK with that, but maybe she hasn't thought this all the way through, due to her emtional distress.

I also had never heard that Colin Ferguson had used armor piercing ammo. Not that it would have made any difference at point blank range, as a previous poster pointed out. I think that was included so that she could at some point in time highlight the fact that she was instrumental in tying an armor piercing ammo ban to the Junk Lawsuit Against Gun Mfg./Dealer Ban that Congress just passed. The Senate bill has the armor piercing bullet ban in it's version, I'm not sure about the House bill. There is another thread on that topic.

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

The world is a tragedy for people who feel

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and a comedy for people who think!

 

[Standing Wolf]

Why oh why is it so hard for people like McCarty to understand that?

Don't think for a moment she doesn't get it. She does. So do the rest of the extreme leftists.

If they were even remotely concerned with violent crime, they'd immediately stop screeching and shrilling for so-called "gun control," and demand government at all levels take effection against the root cause of violent crime: criminals.

So-called "gun control" is all about social control. The leftist extremists know they'll never be able to turn the commoners into useful socialist serfs as long as we're able to fight back.

 

[yucaipa]

My understanding is that he was shot pretty much at point blank range on the train by this nut case.

Yes, a nut case that, while living in California, filled out bought federal and state paper work passed all background checks,waited 15 days came back and legally picked up the gun.

The Truth is, her dead husband and son prove that paper work,background checks and waiting periods don't stop bad people,of course it would be considered bad taste to point that out to her.

 

[UnknownSailor]

I highly doubt that this lady knows what actual armor piercing ammo is, as defined by Federal law. Whether this ignorance is unintentional or willful is known only to her.

 

[MechAg94]

What is the actual Federal definition of "Armor Piercing Ammo?" Just curious.

 

[raz-0]

What is the actual Federal definition of "Armor Piercing Ammo?" Just curious.

http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/legal/armor.htm

 

[benEzra]

The armor-piercing bullets from the pistol killed her husband and gravely wounded her son and catapulted Carolyn McCarthy from obscurity into Congress.

Armor piercing????

The handgun was, IIRC, a Ruger 9mm. At the time of the shootings, 9mm AP ammunition was highly illegal (and still is), since it was banned in '86.

Is the reporter talking about FMJ??

 

[bjbarron]

Maybe this gentle lady ought to be politely reminded that if she were to expend the effort she has trying to ban guns, toward punishing violent criminals quickly, severely , and without mercy, she may have more effect on making the streets a safer place.

The streets are a safer place...mainly due the passage of so much CCW legislation in the past 15 years. That never makes sense to moonbats for some reason.

95% of the people on that traincar were wishing they had a gun...the rest were dead. The dirtbag had time to reload three times until someone jumped on him.

There are a lot of people who carry guns into the city every day...they don't talk about it, and no one asks. Usually the headline reads..."Known Dirtbag found shot to death in Nice Neighborhood". New York is beginning to run low on dirtbags.

And it ain't thanks to Carolyn McCarthy.

 

[El Tejon]

My rights did not kill your husband, Congressperson.

I resent your feeble attempt to link the acts of a racist madman to my right to keep and bear arms. I resent your anger to the fact that your husband stood there like a sheep and allowed himself to be slaughtered and his failure to fight back is my fault.

The racist madmen like the one that murdered your husband will not obey gun laws. How many dozens of laws regarding firearms was he violated (not counting murder, attempted murdered, battery with a deadly weapon, etc.)?

I, a freeborn American, will not obey your gun laws as well.

 

[orionengnr]

don't look now

but we are up, 69% to 28%
always gotta wonder about those who vote "I'm not sure"...
If you don't have an opinion, go do some research!

 

[DarkThought]

Colin Ferguson opened fire on the 5:33 p.m. Long Island Rail Road train to Hicksville. He killed six people and wounded another 19 and was convicted in 1995.

"Let's face it, every time I fight this fight, it brings me back to a place that consciously I don't want to go," McCarthy says. "But I have to do it. If I'm not going to talk about it and be passionate about it, then should I be here? It really comes down to that. That is the reason I'm here. That's why I came to Congress and that's why I'll stay here."

Here she is admitting that she is in congress ONLY because she had a family hurt by someone using a gun. She admits that she is a one-issue-congressman. "That's why I came to congress and that's why I'll stay here." Why? To waste time, effort, and taxpayers' money on useless attempts at passing useless legislation that would never have saved your husband and son?

Loser.

-DarkThought

 

[Kim]

I watched this person on the House floor the other day. My take is she is not very smart. Is a flaming leftist kinda in the mommie mode of Ms. Sheehan. She has that whiney sing song voice but she knows absolutely nothing about firearms and ammo except what she read on the Brady site. She even had the nerve to state and I quote " I support the second amendment". She is someones puppet.

 

[orionengnr]

did you note that Congress

passed legislation protecting McDonalds and other fast food makers from frivolous lawsuits yesterday as well?
Made page 8 of the Dallas Morning News.

 

[DarkThought]

I watched this person on the House floor the other day. My take is she is not very smart. Is a flaming leftist kinda in the mommie mode of Ms. Sheehan. She has that whiney sing song voice but she knows absolutely nothing about firearms and ammo except what she read on the Brady site. She even had the nerve to state and I quote " I support the second amendment". She is someones puppet.

She absolutely is a puppet. She never wanted to run for congress. Anti-gunners at HCI thought, "Sheez, her hubby was killed and her son maimed by 'cop-killer bullets' -- she's the perfect shill for gun control. Let's get her campaigning!"

And they put her into congress to do their idiotic gun-control bidding.

I am ecstatic that her efforts, no matter how fervent, fail miserably at every turn, and not only that, they cost more and more anti-gun leftist morons seats in congress at every election! Wheeeee!

Keep it up, Carolyn, you pathetic dolt!

May you never see the harm you do to your own stupid, pointless cause.


-DarkThought

 

[GeneS]

If I remember correctly, a big deal was made of this shooting about the ammo being Black Talon holllowpoints.

 

[jimpeel]

My letter to the Editor

I wrote the following to the Editor:

Dear Sirs,

J. Jioni Palmer didn't make it seven words into the article "McCarthy frustrated, but not deterred after shield law passes" (10-21-05) before the first falsehood was written.

A very big deal was made by the press at the time of the shooting that Colin Ferguson was using "Black Talon" ammunition which is expanding ammunition not armor piercing.

This once again illustrates the lack of knowledge possessed by reporters on the firearms issue; and their unwillingness or inability to research what they write about.

I cannot believe that the information is not readily available in your own archives for the use and perusal of J. Jioni Palmer.

Sincerely,

Jim Peel
Longmont, CO

 

[jimpeel]

If I remember correctly, a big deal was made of this shooting about the ammo being Black Talon holllowpoints.

Thanks for the reminder.

 

[R.H. Lee]

The armor-piercing bullets from the pistol killed her husband and gravely wounded her son

huh? Were they wearing armor at the time? If they were, why? Maybe she should sue the armor manufacturer.

Oh, wait, I get it. They wouldn't have been killed/injured by 'non-armor piercing' ammunition

Dufus.

 

[Don Gwinn]

I read a really terrible novel once about a woman who joined the police force and was cruelly teased and hazed by her coworkers. You were supposed to be outraged, but the author inadvertently portrayed her protagonist as a complete fool who should never have been able to join a police force and was a huge liability to the one she was on.

Why is that relevant? It's not, it's just that near the end of the novel another officer gets shot with "armor-piercing Black Talon bullets." Out of an assault rifle. This thread brought back memories.