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Md - Maryland Gun Bill Day

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DR - keep at it. Be sure she knows that she represents you.

Try to find another bill she voted for that you liked. You could say something to her like, "Thank you for your vote on _____. I'm sure that we both feel the same about HB1211 as well".

Sophocleus' aide is just as Pro 2A than ANY of us. When I visited his office a few weeks ago, she was lecturing ME about the hazards of disarming the population.

I have found a new respect for many of the legislators this year. Many Democrats have voted for good gun bills and against the bad ones. I really feel there's an attitude change going on in the MD Democratic Party; a GOOD change regarding gun control. It might be slow, but I prefer that to the overnight changes that some reps make just to be popular. I want them to REALLY understand the issue and see why gun control is so fundementally wrong, and SO overbearing in Maryland.

Now if the closeminded dolts of Montgomery County would listen to their constituents rather than their money pimps, we could make HUGE leaps forward.
 
Even though we've made so much progress lately, I'm kinda worried about the upcomming Gubenatorial election. Sure, Ehrlich hasn't been vocally pro-gun, but if he lost to O'Malley or Duncan, I'm affraid it could erase all the positive steps we've made over the last couple of years. Ehrlich would almost certainly sign a CCW bill, and either of the other two would not only veto it, they'd surely be very active against it.
 
Good point Nico, but we may not need to worry about that for a while.

O'Malley is very charasmatic, but he's done a certifiably LOUSY job as Mayor of Baltimore. People outside of Baltimore loathe going to the city because of his mess.

Duncan will properly be portrayed as the SCREAMING Leftist liberal that he is.

If you recall the recent presidential election's county by county map, only two counties and Baltimore City were Democratic strongholds. The rest were blood red. This might have been enough for the Presidential election, but hatred for Bush runs far stronger than any disliking for Ehrlich (except for the die-hards of course)

These red counties will turn out huge numbers of votes, and even the blue counties won't be happy to have to vote for O'Malley or Duncan.

Just my opinion of course (and obviously biased because this is how I WANT it to be!)
 
Here maybe someone could send these facts for the guy(I forgot his name) who wanted FACTS.
http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm
Gun Control

Note: This listing of facts is derived from over 200 hours of research and analysis of more than 100 articles, documents, and books. Every statistic from a given year was chosen based on availability, and not to slant the results by singling out a specific year that was different from others. Especially when dealing with statistics, the determination of what constitutes a credible fact and what does not, can contain elements of personal subjectivity. It is our mission to minimize subjective information and to provide highly factual content. Therefore, we are taking the additional step of giving our readers a tool to determine for themselves the viability of our work.


OWNERSHIP
* Private Firearm Ownership in the U.S. as of 1997

# of Guns # of Owners
All Firearms 200-240 Million 60-65 Million
Handguns 75-80 Million 30-35 Million

FIREARM USE IN CRIME AND SELF DEFENSE
* In the United States during 1997, people committed 15,289 murders. The perpetrators used a firearm in 10,369 of these instances.
* In the United States during 1997, people committed about 7,927,000 violent crimes. The perpetrators used a firearm in about 691,000 of these instances.
* As of 1992, for about every 14 violent crimes (murder, rape, etc…) committed in the United States, one person is sentenced to prison.
* As of 1992, average length of imprisonment for:
Murder 10.0 years
Rape 7.6 years
Aggravated Assault 3.4 years
* In the early/mid 1990's, criminals on parole or early release from prison committed about 5,000 murders, 17,000 rapes, and 200,000 robberies a year.
* Americans use firearms to defend themselves from criminals about 760,000 times a year. This figure is the lowest among a group of 15 nationwide polls done by organizations including Gallup and the Los Angeles Times.
* Approximately 11% of gun owners and 13% of handgun owners have used their firearms for protection from criminals.
* When citizens use guns for protection from criminals, the criminal is wounded in about 1 out of every 100 instances, and the criminal is killed in about 1 out of every 1000 instances.
* Washington D.C. enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between 1976 and 1991, Washington D.C.'s homicide rate rose 200%, while the U.S. rate rose 12%.

RIGHT-TO-CARRY LAWS
* Right-to-carry laws require law enforcement agencies to issue handgun permits to all qualified applicants. Qualifications include criteria such as age, a clean criminal record, and completing a firearm safety course.
* In 1986, nine states had right-to-carry laws.
* As of 1998, 31 states have right-to-carry laws, and about half the U.S. population lives in these states.
* In 1996, Dr. John R. Lott of the University of Chicago Law School published the results of a crime study conducted using FBI data for all 3,045 U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992.
* The study sought to answer the question, "What happens to crime when states adopt right-to-carry laws?"
* Between 1977 and 1992, 10 states adopted right-to-carry laws. Dr. Lott's study found that the implementation of these laws created:
-- no change in suicide rates,
-- a .5% rise in accidental firearm deaths,
-- a 5% decline in rapes,
-- a 7% decline in aggravated assaults,
-- and an 8% decline in murder
for the 10 states that adopted these laws between 1977 and 1992.

* Using 1995 numbers, this amounts to:
-- 1 more accidental gun death,
-- 316 less murders,
-- 939 less rapes,
-- and 14,702 less aggravated assaults
in these 10 states annually.

For facts regarding the methodology of Lott's study, criticisms of Lott, and criticisms of his study, http://www.justfacts.com/jlott.htm

* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. At the time the law was passed, critics predicted increases in violence. The founder of the National Organization of Women, Betty Friedan stated:
"lethal violence, even in self defense, only engenders more violence."
* When the law went into effect, the Dade County Police began a program to record all arrest and non arrest incidents involving concealed carry licensees. Between September of 1987 and August of 1992, Dade County recorded 4 crimes committed by licensees with firearms. None of these crimes resulted in an injury. The record keeping program was abandoned in 1992 because there were not enough incidents to justify tracking them.
* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. Between 1987 and 1996, these changes occurred:
Florida United States
homicide rate -36% -.4%
firearm homicide rate -37% +15%
handgun homicide rate -41% +24%
* 221,443 concealed carry licenses were issued in Florida between October of 1987 and April of 1994. During that time, Florida recorded 18 crimes committed by licensees with firearms.
* As of 1998, nationwide, there has been 1 recorded incident in which a permit holder shot someone following a traffic accident. The permit holder was not charged, as the grand jury ruled the shooting was in self defense.
* As of 1998, no permit holder has ever shot a police officer. There have been several cases in which a permit holder has protected an officer's life.


I'm sure marylandshallissue.org could use these

Take care Erik Bischoff
 
* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. Between 1987 and 1996, these changes occurred:
Florida United States
homicide rate -36% -.4%
firearm homicide rate -37% +15%
handgun homicide rate -41% +24%

THAT was what I was looking for. Do you know what source they use to get those statistics? I think showing that to Menes would easily convince her to help, especially since our bill is identical to Florida's.

[EDIT] Doh, source found in link. But "1998 NRA Fact Sheet" isn't going to be good enough for me, especially given the crap sources the other side was using. [/EDIT]
 
The Gun Control References are found at the bottom of the web page.

NOT all are from the NRA. And what is, is facted by the FBI
 
Yeah, but the facts used in the part I quoted are from the NRA. And while I'm sure they're reasonable, I want an independent source. After all, the second that guy mentioned his source, we all laughed out loud.

It's okay though, www.disastercenter.com has the info I need.
 
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm

The Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program was conceived in 1929 by the International Association of Chiefs of Police to meet a need for reliable, uniform crime statistics for the nation. In 1930, the FBI was tasked with collecting, publishing, and archiving those statistics. Today, several annual statistical publications, such as the comprehensive Crime in the United States, are produced from data provided by nearly 17,000 law enforcement agencies across the United States.


Other annual publications, such as Hate Crime Statistics and Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted address specialized facets of crime such as hate crime or the murder and assaults of law enforcement officers respectively.


Special studies, reports, and monographs prepared using data mined from the UCR's large database are published each year as well. In addition to these reports, information about the National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS) and UCR Frequently Asked Questions are also available on this site.
 
I heard on the KML morning show on 97.9 that state sen. Geianetti (spelling?) advised his wife not to take a breathalyzer when she was pulled over for drunk driving back on 17 December. The twist is that he's one of the biggest crusaders against drunk driving in the senate, including wanting to criminalize the act of declining the breathalyzer. Is he one of the good guys, or an anti?

Kharn
 
Just sent everyone on the list an email urging them to support HB1211.

Everyone, don't forget to apply equal pressure in opposition to the AWB! Don't let this slide under our radar while we are focusing on the CCW bill.
 
Gianetti has been pretty supportive. I was under the impression that declining a breathalyzer in this state was grounds for removing your license.

Honestly unless there's a source above and beyond KML, I wouldn't be inclined to believe it.
 
DelayedReaction:
Declining the test is an automatic 6mo loss of license, but no criminal penalties.

Kharn
 
I'd take any political information on KML with a grain of salt (a spoonfull if it comes from Lopez). For some reason, the MD Democrats seem out to get Gianetti. Between his tailgate parties at UM football games (what self respecting Democrat would rub elbows with the peasants?) and his vote on the AWB, he's been catching a lot of crap from them lately.

As for the 6 month license suspension, I wonder if the Portis case will set a precedent or if it's just special treatment for a celebrity. The judge just threw out the Failure to Take a Breathalyzer charge because he said the cops didn't have just cause to request the breathalyzer. Not to encourage drunk driving, but if you've had a couple too many drinks and might not pass the brethalyzer, what do you have to lose in refusing to take it? Unless you're really drunk, they probably wouldn't be able to get physical evidence of your guilt, and a 6 month suspension is a lot less than you would/should get for DUI.
 
Senator Gianetti is a GOOD GUY, and Gail Gunn seems to have made him her priority target since he's killed the AWB twice now.

Gee, I wonder why she won't go after any of the other 5 Senators on the Senate JPR who voted against it?

I'm sending Senator Gianetti another $25 right now.
 
I saw the Gianetti story on Channel 11 this morning. Yes, Gianetti helped us last year with the AWB, but this sounds like the typical hypocracy that many politicians practice. It appears that as a practical matter he recommends refusing a breath test, but as a political matter it sounds better to criminalize that same action. That's what a politician who does not have good character will do. I've learned to ask for (and later thank) a politician for his vote on an issue and not worry too much whether he's a good guy or not.

The good news is that there are exceptions: Dwyer, Mooney, Sophocleus... Any others?

Greg
 
Sure, theres tons of em'!


Also, I forgot to say this earlier, but I wanted to thank Pete Clark (I hope I got his name right) from VCDL for coming out and spending the entire day with us to testify in favor of HB1211.


THANKS PETE!
 
Received my reply back from Sophocleus saying that he would support HB1211
 
Oh, by the way....the young Delegate who wanted more stats was Bobby Zirkin, Democrat, district 11 - Pikesville.

It would be QUITE beneficial for people in that are to send emails, and make phonecalls.

Del Zirkin is especially concerned about the opinions of his Jewish constituents.

Here is a link:

http://www.bobbyzirkin.com/
 
Link to Giannetti Story

http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/4274892/detail.html

I am not a lwayer. I do not play one on TV. However, I believe that his position is that he is acting in her interest as her LAWYER. It is his obligation to provide for her the best defense possible. This defense would include her NOT taking a breathelizer test.

Having said that, I have a hard time with his approach. (One reason why I chose not to become a lawyer. I could/would not defend someone who I felt was guilty. Or work pro bono for them.)

I have spoken with and coresponded with Senator Giannetti. He is a friend of Maryland gun owners. Edit His positions on guns come from a thought out position not an emotional appeal. I have no problem supporting him in this effort. He just doing his day job. It should not affect his 90-day a year job.
 
Okay, I called Menes. It turns out her aide is absolutely swamped with phone calls with regards to HB1211, and people are actually calling in to oppose it! We need to make sure she understands just how many people support this bill.

Apparently the delegates don't know when the vote for each bill is made (or if a vote is even done), but the aide said she would let me know when they made a decision.
 
and people are actually calling in to oppose it!
I wonder if there's someone or some group organizing opposition. Perhaps Cease Fire MD thought there was no chance of it getting a vote, much less passing so they didn't bother opposing it at the hearing, but then had second thoughts after hearing the testimony. Maybe Quinter is aware of the support it is getting and got Cease Fire to organize some calls. Hmmm.... :scrutiny:
 
Calls Made.....

I just called all of the delegates listed on this thread and registered my support for 1211, and my opposition to 948 (AWB). The only person I wasn't able to reach is Carter, whose phone at the moment is forwarded to her Baltimore number, with aide's message saying they're out of session at the moment. No answer at Baltimore (410-367-3939) either, but I'll keep trying.

And I think it may already have been mentioned here, but in case it wasn't.....when I talked to Sophocleus' aide, she said that "he always votes against the gun bills and supports gun ownership." This lady (his aide) doesn't like the media and only watches Fox news.....a rather enlightened person, I was pleasantly surprised! After hearing her mention Sophocleus' stance on guns I said that even though I'm from another district, add my address to Mr. Sophocleus' fund-raising distribution list.....let's just say that concluded the conversation in a highly positive manner. ;)

I also thanked Vallario's aide for the fair treatment he provided all on Wednesday (I was on travel, but read all you guys posts who were there about how well he handled things).

Keep the phones ringing.....

Michael
 
I just heard more good news guys. Paul Sarbanes is retiring after this term. Maybe we can get someone who represents the red counties in MD to replace him
 
Actually, it concerns me greatly that Sarbanes is retiring. It means that Pipkin will run and probably win, and Maryland will lose a pro gun State Senator to the fed.gov where we don't actually need him as much right now.

I'm much more worried about bad State legislation the bad federal legislation right now.
 
hmm that's a good point. Pipkin's from the eastern shore right? Couldn't a like-minded person just take his place? Of course there's a risk, but a pro-gun senator and a pro-gun state senator are better than a strident anti senator and a pro-gun state senator. man, this politics thing never ends
 
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