Mexican Officials Promote Illegal Entry Into U.S.

[longeyes]

We don't need a defensive wall. We need an offensive march south. Start taking back territory out of Mexico mile by mile. Seize Baja California for openers. Would that we had a government that would stand up for this country as it's pledged to.

 

[DRZinn]

That wall kept both sides at bay.

Yeah, because there were thousands of West Germans trying to get into East Germany, right?

 

[Sheldon J]

We don't need a defensive wall. We need an offensive march south. Start taking back territory out of Mexico mile by mile. Seize Baja California for openers. Would that we had a government that would stand up for this country as it's pledged to.

Yah but then they would want us to start socal programs for the newly conquered poor, health care, food stamps, new roads (theirs are crap), water, sewage, socal counseling. All that would cost a heap more than a wall and crewing would.:banghead:

 

[odysseus]

Not surprising at all. The Mexican Gov. makes major dinero because the illegal immigration work force sends millions upon millions of US$ back to families, and thus those economies. It's a big source of income in many locations south of the border. So you betcha they are not happy about restricting this. Of course the cartels will have to spend more time and money sending their dope here too...

On a side note: It's getting really old how just mentioning illegal immigration from Mexico is labeled racism. I have known former Mexican nationals who LEGALLY immigrated here who also feel the same way I do, that ILLEGAL immigration is just that and should be stopped. So long as it profits big industrialists - our Congre$$ people turn the other way while our tax money is spent on more "Homeland Defense". Ironic.

It's a hard nut to crack.

 

[1911_sfca]

We really need to invite the Russians over to build us a wall like they did in
Berlin, bet we could even sub contract them for security too.

And who do you think will be building that wall in the hot desert?Illegals... :banghead:

 

[longeyes]

And who do you think will be building that wall in the hot desert?Illegals...

Well, build them INTO the wall then for dramatic effect.

 

[Waitone]

I question if a wall is the way to go but I support the idea of removing the US pressure relief valve and letting the pressure and heat rise on those creating the situation. Cut off the flow of Yanque dollars back to the homestead and cut off the outflow of those possessing initiatve to better themselves. Let societal forces build and perhaps the Mexicans will solve their own problems. First step is to unelect those snivelling politicians who run that Mexican plantation.

 

[walking arsenal]

The Mexican Gov. makes major dinero because the illegal immigration work force sends millions upon millions of US$ back to families, and thus those economies.

How about we ban the exportation of cash to mexico? No money, no illegals?

 

[fourays2]

How about we ban the exportation of cash to mexico? No money, no illegals?

not going to happen, the illegal immigrant mess exists because Jorge wants it too. congress and the senate apparantly wants it too exist as well, with the exception of a few souls.

 

[armoredman]

Wanna see racism? Put Mexican nationals in the same housing unit in prison as Mexican Americans. They will kill each other. No joke. Pisas are hated, as scum who want nothing but to suck up off this country. Then wonder why we have a Security Threat Group prison gang called Border Brothers. Nasty individuals, give the Old and New Mexican Mafia a run for thier money.
Those who think all these people coming across are just good poor people who want a job, try looking at your state's prison statistics. As of June this year, over 4000 Mexican nationals populate the AZ prison system, for every crime you can think of. Then look at that lovely concept called Aztlan. That wonderful idea calls for turning AZ, New Maxico, lower California, lower Nevada and Utah, and the upper half of Mexico, into a Hispanic paradise. I have read thier tripe - non Hispanics would pay a tax just to live there, and never be allowed to vote, hold office, nada. Not like a former Lt Gov of California who was a MechA member, pushing for Aztlan!
And then people call us racists? Yeah, I hate anyone who illegally invades this country, regardless of race, color, creed, etc. Anyone who can't deal with that, in the sprit of name calling on this thread, is a commie whacko who should be sent to fr*nce...no, I couldn't do that to anyone....

 

[Waitone]

Interesting Mr. Armoredman.

Perhaps AZ can contract Tejas for outsource detention. I hear tell there is a real receptive town in Tejas where principal residents are more than happy to welcome border crossers. Email me and I dig up the details in case you want to forward a suggestion to your management. Oh, the town? Crawford Tejas.

 

[Sinsaba]

not going to happen, the illegal immigrant mess exists because Jorge wants it too. congress and the senate apparantly wants it too exist as well, with the exception of a few souls.

I'm amazed at how some people will turn off their brains just to take a shot at The President Of The United States.

Let me see fourays2 statement implies (as I see it)

1) We didn't have illegal immigrants arriving in this country before Bush took office. Or, the ones that did arrive before he took office aren't part of the mess.

2) The President Of The United States has unlimited power and can stop the current problem with the wave of a pen

On the surface both of these statements hold no basis in reality. However, an otherwise reasonably intellegent person (fourays2) is willing to spout such nonsense to take a crack at The President.

Does anybody here know why?

 

[armoredman]

Interesting Mr. Armoredman.

Perhaps AZ can contract Tejas for outsource detention. I hear tell there is a real receptive town in Tejas where principal residents are more than happy to welcome border crossers. Email me and I dig up the details in case you want to forward a suggestion to your management. Oh, the town? Crawford Tejas.

We actually tried to work with Mexico to return thier crimanl illegals to them, in thier own prison, and Mexican officials sneered at us, saying it was an insult to thier sovereignty. Guess we didn't offer enough free money with the deal.

 

[RaggedClaws]

If anyone in the family spoke Italian in public? They got a whack upside the head by my Great Great Grandfather and were told to speak english out of respect.

My family was the same way. All of my grandparents immigrated from Germany and Switzerland during WWI and shortly after. All of them prohibited their children from speaking German. "We're Americans now, we speak English" was the mantra. I guess it was a different time then, I dunno what to make of it.

Personally, I'm a big fan of easy legal immigration. Come one, come all! I absolutely do not support illegal entrants who do not and will not pay the taxes that finance the services they consume. That's just morally wrong in my eyes, it's thievery plain and simple. If you want to become American, by all means, welcome. As a legal immigrant, you're guaranteed a minimum wage, and you will have to pay a whole host of taxes. If you want the benefits, you have to pay for them like the rest of us do.

Of course, those who knowingly employ illegals are half the problem, and we need to throw the book at them.

 

[Waitone]

Somebody tag me, I want in the ring.

Let me see fourays2 statement implies (as I see it)

1) We didn't have illegal immigrants arriving in this country before Bush took office. Or, the ones that did arrive before he took office aren't part of the mess.

2) The President Of The United States has unlimited power and can stop the current problem with the wave of a pen

For the record, we've had an illegal immigration problem stretching back to Carter which was when it began to assume its current shape. Every president since Carter has contributed to its current form. Second point is the fundamental difference between the past line of presidents and the current president is 911 and its aftermath. We have spent untold billions of borrowed dollars fighting what we call a war on terror. Actually we fight a war against islamofascists terrormongers but our elected officials can't muster the courage to say the words. The current president has made the pre-existing illegal border crossing situation far worse by his words while spending money like a drunken sailor. He is erecting barbwire tangles and claymore mines to protect the front door and leaving the freakin' back door off the hinges.

For the record, the president does not have unlimited power, but he does have the power to enforce existing law which is something he has steadfastly refused to do in the case of illegal border crossers. He has deliberately let a situation fester and done nothing positive to stop it. Now that his party is staggering into mid-term elections he's getting religion and wants to do something to placate the voters. Problem is his solution is completely out of touch with Joe and Martha Sixpack. He may not be able to correct the problem but he can at least hinder the lawbreakers using law already on the books. The issue is not law; the issue is will. He does not have the political will to hinder.

On the surface both of these statements hold no basis in reality. However, an otherwise reasonably intellegent person (fourays2) is willing to spout such nonsense to take a crack at The President.

Does anybody here know why?

I suppose people take shots at the president because his performance is wanting and what he does do is dangerous. Let me add one little observation. Either we are at war with a hostile ideology or we are not. If we are at war then Bush's border actions are consistent with treasonous activity. If we are not at war, then we have been stampeded into a pre-emptive war for no reason. Either option walks close to the line for impeachment. That said, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he has a policy vision that differs from that of most Americans as is fit and proper. If however the US suffers a terror attack which can be traced from across the border, specifically the southern border, I will raise my voice for impeachment. I am no right wing nut. I bash all sides equally. BTW, I voted twice for the guy, reluctantly.

 

[fourays2]

I'm amazed at how some people will turn off their brains just to take a shot at The President Of The United States.

Let me see fourays2 statement implies (as I see it)

1) We didn't have illegal immigrants arriving in this country before Bush took office. Or, the ones that did arrive before he took office aren't part of the mess.

2) The President Of The United States has unlimited power and can stop the current problem with the wave of a pen

On the surface both of these statements hold no basis in reality. However, an otherwise reasonably intellegent person (fourays2) is willing to spout such nonsense to take a crack at The President.

Does anybody here know why?

I'm amazed at just how much koolaid some people are prepared to drink. I'm in AZ so I may have a different perspective on this than most. However when I hear the statements "family values don't stop at the rio grande" or "they're just here to do the jobs Americans won't" or "other than entering illegally they're other wise law abiding" I form the oppinion that the president/AG doesn't want to do anything about illegal immigration.
Also as someone else pointed out we are seeing gross attacks on our civil liberties in the name of "security" whilst our borders remain wide open.

 

[Sinsaba]

Somebody tag me, I want in the ring.

For the record, we've had an illegal immigration problem stretching back to Carter which was when it began to assume its current shape. Every president since Carter has contributed to its current form. Second point is the fundamental difference between the past line of presidents and the current president is 911 and its aftermath. We have spent untold billions of borrowed dollars fighting what we call a war on terror. Actually we fight a war against islamofascists terrormongers but our elected officials can't muster the courage to say the words. The current president has made the pre-existing illegal border crossing situation far worse by his words while spending money like a drunken sailor. He is erecting barbwire tangles and claymore mines to protect the front door and leaving the freakin' back door off the hinges.

For the record, the president does not have unlimited power, but he does have the power to enforce existing law which is something he has steadfastly refused to do in the case of illegal border crossers. He has deliberately let a situation fester and done nothing positive to stop it. Now that his party is staggering into mid-term elections he's getting religion and wants to do something to placate the voters. Problem is his solution is completely out of touch with Joe and Martha Sixpack. He may not be able to correct the problem but he can at least hinder the lawbreakers using law already on the books. The issue is not law; the issue is will. He does not have the political will to hinder.

I suppose people take shots at the president because his performance is wanting and what he does do is dangerous. Let me add one little observation. Either we are at war with a hostile ideology or we are not. If we are at war then Bush's border actions are consistent with treasonous activity. If we are not at war, then we have been stampeded into a pre-emptive war for no reason. Either option walks close to the line for impeachment. That said, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he has a policy vision that differs from that of most Americans as is fit and proper. If however the US suffers a terror attack which can be traced from across the border, specifically the southern border, I will raise my voice for impeachment. I am no right wing nut. I bash all sides equally. BTW, I voted twice for the guy, reluctantly.

First let me say that this is something I like to see, a considered response (even if I don't quite agree).

... For the record, we've had an illegal immigration problem stretching back to Carter which was when it began to assume its current shape. Every president since Carter has contributed to its current form. ...

Only since Carter? I would have thought longer. I know I'm not much of a historian so I'm willing to accept your statement as fact for discussion.

... Second point is the fundamental difference between the past line of presidents and the current president is 911 and its aftermath....

I don't exactally see what 911 has to do with the original point of discussion. Fourays2 said, "... the illegal immigrant mess exists because Jorge wants it too" and I allowed that the comment didn't seem to have any basis in fact because it was a problem before the current president. A point that you agreed with.

You did refute my second comment about the president changing things with the wave of a pen to some extent...

... He may not be able to correct the problem but he can at least hinder the lawbreakers using law already on the books. ....

And I agree. However, I don't believe it appropriate to lay all of the blame for the immagration problems at his feet. I also agree that his solution is out of touch with what most people (including myself) feel is necessary.

Over all we agree. However there is one area that I do disagree.

... I suppose people take shots at the president because his performance is wanting and what he does do is dangerous. ....

If you are talking about our border I agree but if you are talking about his stance and the actions he does take in the war on terror I disagree (you seemed to be linking the statement with what he has done in persuing the war). Even if another attack does come across our southern border, that fact in itself is not grounds for impeachment. Again, he isn't acting alone here, he isn't king.

BTW I voted for him twice too. And I too wish I'd had a better alternative.

 

[longeyes]

It's often said that Bush can't make an articulate case for his position on Iraq. I believe that's largely intentional. The entire geopoltiical agenda that comprises our Middle East strategy goes undiscussed. Instead, we hear mantras (or platitudes) about freedom. We hear nothing about establishing a critical Western outpost smack dab in the middle of the lion's den, right between Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. The same lack of geopolitical discussion is present in Bush's discussions of the southern border. I think it's about importing a younger population that can and will pay the Social Security and Medicare bills that are coming due and won't have the same reluctance to reproduce themselves that seems to be all the rage in Europe and Asia.

 

[fourays2]

It's often said that Bush can't make an articulate case for his position on Iraq. I believe that's largely intentional. The entire geopoltiical agenda that comprises our Middle East strategy goes undiscussed. Instead, we hear mantras (or platitudes) about freedom. We hear nothing about establishing a critical Western outpost smack dab in the middle of the lion's den, right between Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. The same lack of geopolitical discussion is present in Bush's discussions of the southern border. I think it's about importing a younger population that can and will pay the Social Security and Medicare bills that are coming due and won't have the same reluctance to reproduce themselves that seems to be all the rage in Europe and Asia.

if this is the case then legal immigration is the answer. I would be willing to venture that not many illegals are paying SS or any other taxes for that matter. they are taking services that we pay for.
No, I think the real reason is to create 2nd class residents who are living in fear of being deported as cheap labor for big biz who made the appropriately sized campaign donations. we should look at how well this type of thinking worked recently in france.

 

[DRZinn]

I believe you're right, longeyes. They wouldn't consider reducing or ending the welfare state instead...

 

[longeyes]

I'm not endorsing it, just noting that the real policy agendas always seem hidden. We have rational and responsible ways of dealing with the SS and Medicare liabilities, with our deficits generally.

Bush probably wants a constant flow of "cheap labor" but he also knows that cheap doesn't stay cheap.

All of this is being orchestrated from Davos and other globalist watering-holes.

 

[Stebalo]

Mexican Officials Promote Illegal Entry Into U.S.

Mexican officials in the U.S. and abroad are involved in massive and almost daily interference in American sovereignty, according to a blistering new report.

This should surprise no one.