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Mexico taking a risk by lobbying in U.S.
Officials: Trying to sway immigration policy may backfire on Fox


08:23 PM CST on Friday, December 17, 2004

By ALFREDO CORCHADO / The Dallas Morning News



WASHINGTON – Mexican President Vicente Fox's renewed efforts to lobby for change in U.S. immigration policy may hurt his cause more than help it and could galvanize opposition in a divided American Congress, senior U.S. officials say.

The Mexican government is planning a multipronged effort in the United States on behalf of the millions of Mexicans working without proper documentation. Targets would include agricultural groups and Latino organizations. Mexico wants a system to regulate the flow of workers back and forth and to provide legal protections for those in the United States.

But some U.S. officials say that if the Mexican government inserts itself into what they call a highly sensitive domestic issue, it could complicate what already is a difficult task for President Bush.

One senior U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that Mexico should "work with us and remember that this is a domestic issue. It's not a Mexico-specific bill. ... If it's seen as a unilateral demand from the Mexican side, I think there will be plenty of people, particularly on the Hill, who will not receive that particularly well."

The official added that the U.S. government has been talking to Mexico about "what would be sensible from our point of view."

A Mexican official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, acknowledged the sensitivities involved and said, "Mexico will take very careful steps" in its lobbying efforts. "We recognize that this is a very delicate matter."



Lobbying strategy


Mexican officials say they plan to spend "hundreds of thousands" of dollars to promote the issue through the country's 47 consulates in the United States, focusing on regions that government officials consider crucial to success.

The strategy is to "take the message to local and state governments, lobby from the bottom up," the official said. "This is not about interfering in U.S. domestic policy, but about being part of a debate on immigration, which we consider one of the most important items in the U.S.-Mexico bilateral agenda."

The official said Mexico would launch the lobbying effort early next year, perhaps coinciding with the planned visit of Mr. Fox to Washington in late February or March.

The senior U.S. official said the meeting is not yet on Mr. Bush's calendar and cautioned that "there's no time confirmed for this meeting. ... I'm not saying there won't be a meeting. I'm just saying they're a little ahead of the curve on this one. ... I think they're a little bit too anxious."

Immigration policy change is a key issue in Texas, the second most popular destination for illegal immigrants after California. The Urban Institute, a Washington research organization, estimates that Texas is home to 13 percent of the nation's illegal immigrant population of 10 million to 12 million.

Lobbying by foreign governments on U.S. soil is not new. After the Sept. 11 attacks and the revelation that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi citizens, Saudi Arabia spent $17.6 million on public relations, advertising and lobbying in the United States to try to dispel the notion that the Saudi government was failing in its responsibilities to fight terrorism, Justice Department records show.

The migration issue ignites passion, especially among anti-immigration groups.

"Mexico's blatant foreign interference in U.S. domestic affairs" is the issue, said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington. The group favors reduced immigration.

"The Mexican consulates have gone from promoting trade and travel to Mexico to actively involving themselves in U.S. domestic affairs ... and the Bush administration has been irresponsible for not telling Mexico in a friendly but clear way that this is not acceptable," Mr. Krikorian said.

Under the plan advanced by the administration, illegal immigrants already in the country and foreign workers seeking to come to the United States could apply for renewable three-year work visas. The administration also would seek an unspecified increase in the number of "green cards" granting permanent residence.



Help from Mexico


Another senior Bush administration official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said that while Mexico's lobbying has "merit – they have a big stake in this, too – it may also hurt them if it's not done properly and carefully. But what I think the real issue here is that Mexico needs to answer the most important question: present us a vision, a strategy on how it plans to stem the future flow of illegal immigration. We want the Mexicans to help us determine who's coming in, where they're coming from and how it plans to control those waves in the future."

Resolving those questions, the official said, would bolster chances for passage of reform legislation in what the official described as a "more Republican, but also a far more conservative and rebellious Congress."

The official reiterated that Mr. Bush has made immigration a priority of his second term and said that changing immigration laws will "require leadership and much political capital. This will be a tar issue. It will be messy."
 
Mexico needs to concentrate on cleaning up its own stinking corrupt government before it does anything else. Mexico the is THE major contributor to this polyglot boarding house we now call the United States of America. There will be a backlash.
 
One of the main reasons I left the People's Republic of California in 2002 to return to the United States was that I got sick and tired of being surrounded on all side by illegal aliens—and then having to pick up the tab for their education, medical care, social workers, prison guards, et cetera.

One of the main reasons I didn't vote for Bush in 2004 is that he's proposed amnesty for the millions upon millions of illegal aliens that infest our nation like a cancer.
 
I really hate Vincente Fox. Instead of trying to clean up his country from the POS cleptocracy it is to a capitalist govt that protects property rights he just wants to empty his garbage here and have more immigration to the US.
 
SW- You do know that we've trademarked the phrase People's Republic of California and you'll have to start paying a royalty every time you use it? :p
 
Mexico, England, Germany, France, and the rest of the world - just so you know, telling Americans what to do really angers them and more often than not results in the opposite of your desired outcome.
 
I would prefer that they return to the tried and true laws they used to have.
The workers applied for a permit to work in the USA on the Mexican side of the border, not on the American side. It was called the brocero progam.
The INS would drive out to a farm or pace of business and check the workers for papers. If they didn't have proper papers, the workers would be deported (if they could catch them) with no more questions asked.
 
A question I have been wondering about...

If ten or fifteen million Mexicans, presumably drawn from the most enterprising and talented, have jumped the border, the result would be a hollowing out of Mexican society similar to what Heinlein discussed in "Time Enough for Love." This would presumably be a bad thing for Mexico.

If so, then why has official Mexican policy been to encourage illegal immigration?

The possibilities I can come up with are:

1. The inflows of money from the U.S. make the outflows of people worth it.

2. Getting rid of the talented people makes it easier for the kleptocrats to stay in power.

3. They are prepping the battleground for a push to reclaim California and the Southwest in general from the United States, on historical grounds.

I suspect that Option 3 will fail, as the Mexican powers that be underestimate the power of American culture. That said, the process would be much better for America if we demanded that all residents were fluent in English, legal or illegal.

I take as my model the "Ulpan" program in Israel, which was used successfully to integrate into society millions of immigrants from dozens of countries. Ulpan is an immersive-language program for teaching Hebrew; in six weeks new students can achieve basic literacy and rudimentary conversation skills, and in six months they can become nearly fluent. The Ulpan program is offered free to new immigrants, but one can also pay to participate if you are not immigrating.

If we can break down the language barrier, then everything else will fall into place.
 
$13 billion per year is transferred home to Mexico, which actually has a government agency soley for handling that flow. Guess what their motivation would be in protecting the status quo?
 
One of the reasons I left KA was the glut of illegal Mexicans. I have walked into a Wal-Mart and completed the entire transaction in Spanish. Plus the state gives more rights to the illegals that its own citizens.
 
Umm, part of the problem is that most of the folks crossing illegally are not enterprising or talented. Doctors, lawyers, and the like are doing just fine in Mexico. If I was on the hot seat like Fox I would encourage all those potential revolutionaries to leave too. I wonder if I could cross into Canada and collect welfare there? :p
 
The government says it is concerned about illegal aliens, yet it harasses organizations like Ranch Rescue and prevents them from assisting an already over-worked border patrol. Thsis is madness.

Citizens patroling their own communities has been shown to help. Why not let us patrol our own borders?
 
"I wonder if I could cross into Canada and collect welfare there? "

No, no no, try to slip into Mexico and try to collect anything there except jail time.
 
Well Doc, I guess it might be cheaper than bailing out their economy every couple of years. :p

When I think about how much oil the Mexican government controls, and how it would help turn that country into an industrialized nation without US government help, I wonder why they are sitting on it?
 
One of the reasons I left KA was the glut of illegal Mexicans. I have walked into a Wal-Mart and completed the entire transaction in Spanish. Plus the state gives more rights to the illegals that its own citizens.
KANSAS? :confused: I thought illegals were only a problem in the western and southwestern states. I need to get out more-it's worse than I thought. :barf:
 
Mexico has no problem so long as this guy is President.

Today's press conference.

QUESTION: Mr. President, since early in your first term you've talked about immigration reform. But yet people in
your own party on the hill seem opposed to this idea and you've got an opposition, even on the other side.

Do you plan to expend some of your political capital this time to see this through?

BUSH: Yes, I appreciate that question.

First of all, welcome. I'd like to welcome all the new faces -- some prettier than others, I might add. But...

(LAUGHTER)

Yes, I intend to work with members of Congress to get something done. I think this is an issue that will make it
easier for us to enforce our borders.

And I believe it's an issue that will show the -- if when we get it right, the compassion and heart of the American
people.

And no question, it's a tough issue, just like some of the other issues we're taking on. But my job is to confront tough
issues. And to ask Congress to work together to confront tough issues.

Now, let me talk about the immigration issue.

First we want our Border Patrol agents chasing crooks and thieves and drug runners and terrorists, not
good-hearted people who are coming here to work. And, therefore, it makes sense to allow the good-hearted
people who are coming here to do jobs that Americans won't do a legal way to do so. And providing that legal
avenue, it takes the pressure off the border.

Now, we need to make sure the border is modern and we need to upgrade our Border Patrol. But if we expect the
Border Patrol to be able to enforce a long border, particularly in the south -- and the north, for that matter -- we
ought to have a system that recognizes people are coming here to do jobs that Americans will not do. And there
ought to be a legal way for them to do so.

To me that, is -- and not only that, but once the person is here, if he or she feels like he or she needs to go back to
see their family, to the country of origin, they should be able to do so within a prescribed -- the card and the permit
would last for a prescribed period of time.

It's a compassionate way to treat people who come to our country. It recognizes the reality of the world in which we
live. There are some jobs in America that Americans won't do and others are willing to do.

Now, one of the important aspects of my vision is that this is not automatic citizenship. The American people must
understand that, that if somebody who is here working wants to be a citizen, they can get in line like those who have
been here legally and have been working to become a citizenship (sic) in a legal manner.

And this is a very important issue, and I look forward to working with members of Congress. I fully understand the
politics of immigration reform. I mean, I was the governor of Texas, right there on the front lines of border politics.
You know, I know what it means to have mothers and fathers come to my state and across the border of my state
to work.

Family values do not stop at the Rio Grande river, is what I used to tell the people of my state.

People are coming to put food on the table. They're doing jobs Americans will not do. And to me, it makes sense
for us to recognize that reality and to help those who are needing to enforce our borders, legalize the process of
people doing jobs Americans won't do, take the pressure off of employers so they're not having to rely upon false
I.D.s, cut out the coyotes who are the smugglers of these people, putting them in the back of tractor-trailers in the
middle of August in Texas, allowing people to suffocate in the back of the truck, stop the process of people feeling
like they got to walk miles across desert in Arizona and Texas in order just to feed their family, and they find them
dead out there, you know.

I mean, this is a system that can be much better.

And I'm passionate on it because the nature of this country is one that is good-hearted and compassionate. Our
people are compassionate.

The system we have today is not a compassionate system. It's not working. And as a result, the country is less
secure than it could be with a rational system.
 
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