Mexican Troops Fire on U.S. Border Watchers

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Mexican Troops Fire on U.S. Border Watchers

Jon E. Dougherty, NewsMax.com
Tuesday, Dec. 23, 2003

An official with a civilian border group says a squad of Mexican soldiers opened fire on a position only moments after it was vacated by group volunteers patrolling private property near Douglas, Ariz.

Jack Foote, national spokesman for property protection group Ranch Rescue, told NewsMax a reconnaissance squad of his volunteers spotted two armed Mexican soldiers wearing green combat fatigues and Kevlar helmets on U.S. soil adjacent to property the group was asked to protect.

Foote said his volunteers, part of a mission Ranch Rescue dubbed "Operation Thunderbird," deployed at the landowner's request to interdict smuggling of illegal aliens and drugs on the property, reported the shootings about 5:22 p.m. Saturday. There were no injuries, and Ranch Rescue members, who are patrolling the property armed, did not return fire.

The group spokesman said the leader of the reconnaissance unit reported movement about 200 meters north of the landowner's southern boundary, a location near the U.S.-Mexico border.

"He waited until the first two soldiers moved into the clear. One was carrying an AK-47 and the other an RPK," a light machine gun version of the AK. "Both were wearing [olive drab] green fatigues and Kevlar helmets," Foote said.

Foote said the recon point man yelled in Spanish for the two soldiers to stop, but they turned around instead. Recon volunteers reported seeing the entire unit run back into Mexico. It wasn't clear how many Mexican soldiers had crossed into the U.S.

For safety, the volunteer recon unit moved to a different position, Foote said. About a minute later "the Mexicans fired on our squad's previous position." Members heard about six to eight shots fired, said Foote.

Mexican Embassy officials in Washington did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Incidents of Mexican troops crossing the international boundary into the United States are nothing new, say Border Patrol agents.

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., head of the House Immigration Reform Caucus, says 115 incursions by Mexican military and police have been documented by the U.S. government since 1996.

"The purpose of these incursions is not totally understood, but U.S. officials have speculated that they are designed to help facilitate the flow of illegal drugs into America, either by creating a diversion or by providing cover for the traffickers," Tancredo says, on his caucus Web site.

Ranch Rescue has had its share of problems during operations. The landowner host for Operation Thunderbird, Casey Nethercott, was arrested Nov. 25 by federal authorities for failing to appear for a court date in Texas.

Nethercott and fellow Ranch Rescue volunteer Hank Connor were arrested by Texas authorities in March during a group operation on the property of Joe Sutton, near Hebbronville in Jim Hogg County. They were charged with allegedly detaining and beating two illegal aliens from El Salvador, allegations the group vehemently denied.

Foote said Nethercott's attorney told him Nethercott did not have to appear at the Texas hearing. The attorney said he would appear instead, but got sick and also missed the date. Foote said Nethercott's attorney filed papers with the court seeking a change in court date and explained the circumstances for missing the initial hearing, but Jim Hogg County prosecutors "pushed the issue and got a warrant issued for Casey."

Now, Arizona authorities are holding Nethercott on a "fugitive" warrant, but Nethercott is fighting the extradition to Texas. He remains in jail, Foote said, and will likely be there until February, unless bail can be arranged.

Federal officials also filed charges against Nethercott and Connor in the Hebbronville case, but eventually those were dropped.
 
He waited until the first two soldiers moved into the clear. One was carrying an AK-47 and the other an RPK," a light machine gun version of the AK. "Both were wearing [olive drab] green fatigues and Kevlar helmets," Foote said.


This is curious because the mexican Army has M-16s and M-60s.
 
I've wondered what would happen legally if a group like Ranch Rescue DID get into a defensive firefight w/ Mexican nationals on THIS side of the border--or w/ the Mexicans on the Mexican side of the border. Would the Feds prosecute? Would the Mexican government demand extradition? Would the major media outlets even REPORT it? :scrutiny:

Maybe something like that needs to happen to bring attention to the problem...:banghead:
 
My guess would be that they are coyotes dressed up to intimidate whoever they might run into along the way.
 
Nethercott and fellow Ranch Rescue volunteer Hank Connor were arrested by Texas authorities in March during a group operation on the property of Joe Sutton, near Hebbronville in Jim Hogg County. They were charged with allegedly detaining and beating two illegal aliens from El Salvador...

Now that's a part of the story i can believe. Why do people read newsmax?

Sounds like a bunch of wannabe's who don't realize that human rights apply to all humans. An alien may not have the legal right to be there, but they certainly have the right not to be inproperly detained and beaten.
 
clubsoda22 Wrote:
"Sounds like a bunch of wannabe's who don't realize that human rights apply to all humans. An alien may not have the legal right to be there, but they certainly have the right not to be inproperly detained and beaten."

How is defending your home and property from vandals, thieves, trespassers and criminals a human rights issue?:confused:
 
How is defending your home and property from vandals, thieves, trespassers and criminals a human rights issue?
The last time I checked our nation was governed by rule of law. You catch a criminal, you call the authorities, you don't torture/beat them.
 
Why is it all these reports of kidnapping of Americans in America by Mexican troops, Americans being fired on by Mexican troops, Mexican massing on the border near Naco, etc. are all reported in crappy internet rags like NewsMax?

If y'all are going to buy into these unfounded stories so quickly, then I would like to rent you some prime office space on the 80th floor of either of the twin towers in New York. The space is currently vacant and I will lease it at a very low price compared to what the previous tenants were paying.
 
"The last time I checked our nation was governed by rule of law. You catch a
criminal, you call the authorities, you don't torture/beat them."

Flash! Our nation is NOT governed by the rule of law. The authorities don't care what the law is. They are complicit in the non-enforcement of it. The message to ignore the law has come down from the top.

Those of who you think all these "illegal alien stories" are just so much hooey made up by fascists and racists probably don't believe that 95 per cent of the outstanding warrants for homicide in Los Angeles target illegal aliens.

Yeah, it's all made up to roil the yahoos, isn't it?
 
I got a question for you. If a private citizen captured someone, beat them, and tortured them, why would they then call the police and let the cat out of the bag ? I don't know any more about this incident other than what is in this article, but I assume they called the police, otherwise who would have known about it ? It would take days for an illegal to walk to the nearest town to report it.
I have wondered the desert down along the Arizona/Mexico border. NOTHING you might tell me would surprise me. Being fired upon would not even cause me to raise an eyebrow.
 
Sounds like a mystery to me, 444. I have no clue whatsoever as to how much of this article is true, or exagerated, or spun, or what went on behind the scenes. Newsmax tends to take things out of context to promote their political agenda, but maybe this time nothing was taken out of context. No clue, not interested, bigger fish to fry (but I don't like the GOP leadership's illegal immigration proposal).

Note, that my *only* point above in my previous post was what about what folks *should* do and what folks *should* ethically/morally/and legally condone.
 
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"The last time I checked our nation was governed by rule of law. You catch a criminal, you call the authorities, you don't torture/beat them."

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"Note, that my *only* point above in my previous post was what about what folks *should* do and what folks *should* ethically/morally/and legally condone."


I believe the article said "allegedly" about the beatings/torture. I do not condone torture. But.. to paraphrase Sam Kinneson " I do understand it'.
I would not torture a human or an animal but, if you are stealing from me, destroying my property or threatening myself or family I don't consider smacking you down and maybe around unwarranted.
 
Incidentally, I don't automatically give credence to ANY new item I see in ANY news source without looking into it further. At this point, I don't know what a reputable news source is. Most if not all news outlets lately have a political agenda, and/or report events in a way that that emphasizes the sensational.

Nevertheless, I shared this article with THR because the scenario as it was described is relevant to the issues of RKBA, personal protection, and USA sovereignty that often are a part of the political discussion on this board.
 
Its a known fact down here that if your within 10 miles of the border your chances of running into a Coyote (armed smuggler) are pretty good.

I have talked to many a hunter down below 3 Points (Rowles Junction 286) that have run into illegals and even a couple that were armed.

Heck, we even found an illegal at a ranch 14 miles from the border when we were out hunting doves. He just stood there on the road watching us. He had some sort of black hard case with him. Dont know if there were any more with him and he was the look out so we drove up about 100 yds and I called it into the Border Patrol. Gave them the GPS coordinates and waited for them.

Even though Im carrying a shotgun with 50 shells (7 1/2 shot) I still carry my .40 cal along with 3 mags of 11 rounds each. Never know out here....
 
W4rma, the alleged beating incident was fairly widely reported in Texas newspapers. Given the circumstances, I'm dubious about any actual beating; it sounded like a made-up, phoney deal.

Regardless, when a complaint is filed the police are required to take action, whether or not the complaint is specious. And, given the nature of south Texas politics and the "Gringo rancher vs. Mexican-American establishment" problems in some of those counties, I reserve judgement.

Art
 
They shouldn't be crossing the damn border illegally anyway. When they do, meeting a bullet would send the appropriate message and should decrease the chance that others will decide to cross the border illegally.
 
Have enough fortitude to seal both of our borders, North AND South and do it now. I don't want illegal Canadians here any more than I want illegal Latinos. And when I mean seal, I mean SEAL it tight! You better have a damn good reason to be here or you ain't getting in. I don't want brown OR white illegal criminals in my country. And while I understand the economic reasons why they try to sneak in here, I think they need to stay in they're own nations and fix the problems they have there. I don't want anyone killed, but I also want these people gone. Sounds harsh, and it is... But our nation must be able to maintain the integrity of its borders. If the United States was as militant at its borders as Mexico is with her own SOUTHERN border, we would see at least a little more security for the American citizens who reside in the vicinity.
 
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