Thunder ranch given to two illegals

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Two Illegal Immigrants Win Arizona Ranch in Court Fight

DOUGLAS, Ariz., Aug. 18 - Spent shells litter the ground at what is left of the firing range, and camouflage outfits still hang in a storeroom. Just a few months ago, this ranch was known as Camp Thunderbird, the headquarters of a paramilitary group that promised to use force to keep illegal immigrants from sneaking across the border with Mexico.
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David Bowser for The New York Times

A windmill tower in Douglas, Ariz., was a lookout point for members of a group that tried to prevent illegal immigrants from crossing the border.
The New York Times

Camp Thunderbird is two miles from the Mexican border.

Now, in a turnabout, the 70-acre property about two miles from the border is being given to two immigrants whom the group caught trying to enter the United States illegally.

The land transfer is being made to satisfy judgments in a lawsuit in which the immigrants had said that Casey Nethercott, the owner of the ranch and a former leader of the vigilante group Ranch Rescue, had harmed them.

"Certainly it's poetic justice that these undocumented workers own this land," said Morris S. Dees Jr., co-founder and chief trial counsel of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which represented the immigrants in their lawsuit.

Mr. Dees said the loss of the ranch would "send a pretty important message to those who come to the border to use violence."

The surrender of the ranch comes as the governors of Arizona and New Mexico have declared a state of emergency because of the influx of illegal immigrants and related crime along the border.

Bill Dore, a Douglas resident briefly affiliated with Ranch Rescue who is still active in the border-patrolling Minuteman Project, called the land transfer "ridiculous."

"The illegals are coming over here," Mr. Dore said. "They are getting the American property. Hell, I'd come over, too. Get some American property, make some money from the gringos."

The immigrants getting the ranch, Edwin Alfredo Mancía Gonzáles and Fátima del Socorro Leiva Medina, could not be reached for comment. Kelley Bruner, a lawyer at the law center, said they did not want to speak to the news media but were happy with the outcome.

Ms. Bruner said that Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva, who are from El Salvador but are not related, would not live at the ranch and would probably sell it. Mr. Nethercott bought the ranch in 2003 for $120,000.

Mr. Mancía, who lives in Los Angeles, and Ms. Leiva, who lives in the Dallas area, have applied for visas that are available to immigrants who are the victims of certain crimes and who cooperate with the authorities, Ms. Bruner said. She said that until a decision was made on their applications, they could stay and work in the United States on a year-to-year basis.

Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva were caught on a ranch in Hebbronville, Tex., in March 2003 by Mr. Nethercott and other members of Ranch Rescue. The two immigrants later accused Mr. Nethercott of threatening them and of hitting Mr. Mancía with a pistol, charges that Mr. Nethercott denied. The immigrants also said the group gave them cookies, water and a blanket and let them go after an hour or so.

The Salvadorans testified against Mr. Nethercott when he was tried by Texas prosecutors. The jury deadlocked on a charge of pistol-whipping but convicted Mr. Nethercott, who had previously served time in California for assault, of gun possession, which is illegal for a felon. He is now serving a five-year sentence in a Texas prison.

Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva also filed a lawsuit against Mr. Nethercott; Jack Foote, the founder of Ranch Rescue; and the owner of the Hebbronville ranch, Joe Sutton. The immigrants said the ordeal, in which they feared that they would be killed by the men they thought were soldiers, had left them with post-traumatic stress.

Mr. Sutton settled for $100,000. Mr. Nethercott and Mr. Foote did not defend themselves, so the judge issued default judgments of $850,000 against Mr. Nethercott and $500,000 against Mr. Foote.

There's GOT to be a story behind their failure to defend themselves in court, but apparently it wasn't considered worth explaining by the paper. Anyone want to play Paul Harvey, and give us the rest of the story?
 
And so it starts. The return of land to illegals from the south.

The next headlines will read: "Illegal lawn maintenance worker awarded 1.2 million dollar home after home owner chided him for not edging."

The defendants most likely did not have the money to hire attorneys to defend themselves unlike the illegals who probably got free service from some souless lawyer.
 
So, if I set up a tent within an affluent gated community and end up getting kicked out by security I can sue and get the land transfered to me? It does not make any sense. There must be a lot more going on that the article does not mention. Regardless, I hope there is an appeal in process.
 
You said "Thunder Ranch" in the title, yet I didn't see any mention of it in the article. Are you referring to the property that was once the Thunder Ranch operated by Clint Smith? (Who, BTW, is now operating an academy in Oregon.)
 
Yep, the confusion is Thunder Ranch versus Thunder Bird. Thunder Ranch was formerly in Texas, now in Oregon, never in Arizona.

At Thunder Ranch in Texas, Clint Smith occasionally caught illegal aliens on the property (told to my class by Smith). He would handcuff them to the front gate and call the local sheriff who would collect the aliens, leaving Smith's cuffs on the gate and placing his own on the aliens.
 
Remember, foreign criminals here illegally have more rights than US citizens.

Even here in Texas.

Right now there's a case where a returning Marine who spent two tours of duty in Iraq is being denied in-state tuition at Austin Community College. Even though he has a TX driver's license, is registered to vote in TX, does his banking here, and has his will on file here, an ACC bureaucrat informed him that he was on active duty in Iraq for too long, which disqualifies him from being considered a resident of TX for tuition purposes.

And the worst thing is, the bureaucrat at ACC who's doing this has not been named in any of the news stories.

On the other hand, if a foreign criminal here illegally has been breaking the law long enough, HE gets a tuition break. :cuss:

The idea of giving rights - and I mean ANY rights AT ALL - to foreign criminals here illegally is becoming more and more repugnant. :barf:
 
The defendants most likely did not have the money to hire attorneys to defend themselves unlike the illegals who probably got free service from some souless lawyer.

Bingo. Except Morris Dees has a soul - he's quite passionate and com-passionate in fact. It's just that he is sorely misguided and happens to be a blithering idiot.
 
I'm sure there is more to this story, but the main element is clear: illegal aliens (criminal invaders) have more rights than American citizens on their own land.

We will live to see the United States lose the Southwest.


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Illegal immigrants are the new nobility. They were granted this status by the old nobility. The rest of us exist to do the work, pay the bills, and shut up.

We need to get sober about where exactly we have arrived. :mad:
 
This one is making the rounds of talk radio. We haven't heard the last of it, not by a long shot. First Kelo, now this. This is the kind of absurdity that heretofore we only found happening in the U.K., where they have already decided that self-defense violates human rights.

Morris Dees sees the KKK everywhere, even in people defending their own property against trespassers, apparently. This is a signal to people who want to come down the border with trouble in mind? Huh? Say that again? This guy was on his own freaking property!

And talk about asymmetry in terms of offense versus punishment.

There's a word for this: Profanation. :fire:
 
The inmates are in control of the asylum. I repeat, the inmates are in control of the asylum....... :banghead:
 
I read this story a day or two ago - Amazing isn't it ?

"The immigrants also said the group gave them cookies, water and a blanket and let them go after an hour or so."

Even if they got a bit carried away with threatening , an assault charge may be in order , but civil awards amounting to over $1 million to people that were illegaly trespassing is somehow justice for that ? :barf:

Between do gooder advocacy groups, churches, and our corrupt politicians , this has become a sadly deminished country from where it started, and the cancer is growing fast in my life time.

It (USA) may yet be better than a lot of others but give it a little more time - whe're only a little over 200 years old. We're catching up quick in the selling of our personal rights and freedoms.

Common sense is being replaced by nonsense !
 
When does "justice" become intimidation?

When does the "rule of law" become an instrument of oppression?

When will the President of the United States, busy biking with Lance Armstrong, have something to say about this atrocity?

The message being sent here is simple: Try to stop illegal immigration and we will first tar you as "racists" and "vigilantes" and, failing that, bring the full power of the law against you and your property. We will bring you to your knees and teach you a lesson.

Now that is a very sobering and thought-provoking message.
 
Time to move the "fence" one state north and east and cut our losses- it's a no win situation but this my buy us some time :banghead:
 
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