Mexico Time to Wag the Dog Again!

[eqfan592]

Shameless, you must live in some counter reality where illegal’s live entirely off of tax payers and never have to work. Yes, they do get help from tax payers, but the vast majority of them are hard working people. Of course, many refuse to think of them that way, because heaven forbid we actually think about "illegal’s" as actual human beings.

Anyway, back on topic, this entire issue stinks of BS to high heaven. This myth really needs to be put down, ASAP. And the thing for me is that even if this WERE true, it's STILL not really our problem to watch Mexico's borders for it. If it wants to stop guns from coming into the country, then it should do a better job of watching its own borders!

 

[shameless]

I live in Tx, not some counter reality. I see first hand what is happening
to this country.

I do however agree that Mexico needs to accept responsibility for it's
own Borders. Such as, stop the mass influx of it's citizens illegally
entering this country.

As for illegal guns, do your research, many, as in more than half
have been sent there by the DoD.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

I think there has been an illicit "Guns for Illegal Aliens" swap going on at the border. Apparently, someone has been trading guns for Mexican nationals, which should be illegal, in so many ways, on both sides of the border. I would think that it is easier to smuggle guns into Mexico than it is to smuggle people into the US, simply because the guns are more compact. We have only the US government to blame, because it is their job to prevent these things.

 

[eqfan592]

Shameless, did I ever once say ANYTHING about the DoD? In fact, I did not. I was speaking about the myth that these guns are being sent there illegally over the Mexican/US border. Unless the DoD is smuggling guns into Mexico without Mexico's knowledge, and that's what you're referring to.

And I think many would argue that Tx IS a counter reality. Get your state board of education in order and I'll tend to disagree with those folks more.

EDIT: I should say that the myth is that the "majority" of these guns are being sent there illegally over the Mexican/US border.

 

[TxState101]

Just because the Texas Board of Education stinks more than a port-a-potty in the middle of summer at 3PM on a construction site doesn't have much to do with firearms.

 

[eqfan592]

lol, this is true Tx, I apologize. Also, after looking at my original post, I wasn't too clear as to exactly what "myth" i was speaking about, so I apologize to Shameless as well for the misunderstanding.

But I AM glad to see a Texan recognize the horrible status of the TB of E.

 

[shameless]

The DoD sent the guns legally to the Mexican Gov.
And I never said they sent them illegally. You read into the post what you want, in order to argue.

And since you wish to start bashing my state, and likely name calling next, I'll bow to your "knowledge"

 

[30mag]

"While it is impossible to know how many firearms are illegally trafficked into Mexico in a given year, over 20,000, or around 87 percent, of firearms seized by Mexican authorities and traced over the past 5 years originated in the United States," the GAO's Ford says in testimony prepared for a House subcommittee hearing on Thursday. The GAO is the investigative arm of Congress.

Correlation: people who are stupid enough to buy firearms from North of the border rather than South of it are stupid enough to get caught.

 

[UhKlem]

Just as alcohol prohibition was the belated stalking horse for NFA 1934, now a narco-economized neighboring country is being used to scare the submitizens into accepting more incremental gun prohibition.

This seems like a timely and relevant commentary on the problem:

From:

http://www.reason.com/news/show/133857.html

"The persistence of the drug traffickers’ main business, which consists of transporting and selling products that are entirely illegal on both sides of the border, should give pause to those who think they can block the flow of guns to the cartels.

The futile effort to stop Americans from consuming politically incorrect intoxicants is the real source of the violence in Mexico, since prohibition creates a market with artificially high prices and hands it over to criminals."

 

[eqfan592]

Well, to be fair Shameless, you read into MY post what you wanted as well when you made the initial DoD comment and told me I should "do my research." And I wasn't really being serious about the DoD doing illegal trafficking, but was rather underlining that it was not what I was referring too in the first place.

I say we put this to rest as I have a feeling that, on this particular issue, we both probably agree more than disagree?

 

[eqfan592]

UhKlem, you bring up a great point there. The very conservative (and I'm not saying conservative as in republican, but as in the mindset) view that Americans have on drugs is hurting us much more than helping us. We'd cut our gang problem WAY down, as well as help many other problems, if we legalized these drugs.

 

[chuckusaret]

What bothers me the most is that the president is going down the road just as Bush did. He believes what his advisors are telling him. I watched Glenn Beck tonight, he presented actual fact that Obama is just out and out lying or believes we are just stupid and believes what ever he says. People are now seeing the real Obamanation.