Mexico To Decriminalize Pretty Much All Drugs

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There's other wire copy indicating they're also legalizing small amounts of meth, ecstasy, LSD & mushrooms:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/04/28/mexico.drugs.ap/


Mexico set to legalize personal amounts of pot, cocaine, heroin

MEXICO CITY, Mexico (AP) -- Mexico's Congress on Friday approved a bill decriminalizing possession of small quantities of marijuana, ecstasy, cocaine and even heroin for personal use, prompting U.S. criticism that the measure could harm anti-drug efforts.

The only step remaining was the signature of President Vicente Fox, whose office indicated he would sign the bill, which Mexican officials hope will allow police to focus on large-scale trafficking operations rather than minor drug busts.

"This law gives police and prosecutors better legal tools to combat drug crimes that do so much damage to our youth and children," said Fox's spokesman, Ruben Aguilar.

If Fox signs the measure and it becomes law, it could strain the two countries' cooperation in anti-drug efforts -- and increase the vast numbers of vacationing students who visit Mexico.

Oscar Aguilar, a Mexico City political analyst, said Fox appeared almost certain to sign the law -- his office proposed it, and his party supports it -- and that he had apparently been betting that it would not draw much notice.

"That's probably why they (the senators) passed it the way they did, in the closing hours of the final session," Aguilar said. "He's going to sign it. ... He's not going to abandon his party two months before the (presidential) election."

U.S. officials scrambled to come up with a response to the bill. One U.S. diplomat who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly said "we're still studying the legislation, but any effort to decriminalize illegal drugs would not be helpful."

The bill, passed 53-26 with one abstention by Mexico's Senate in the early morning hours, already has been approved in the lower house of Congress. It also stiffens penalties for trafficking and possession of drugs -- even small quantities -- by government employees or near schools, and maintains criminal penalties for drug sales.

The bill says criminal charges will no longer be brought for possession of up to 25 milligrams of heroin, 5 grams of marijuana (about one-fifth of an ounce, or about four joints), or 0.5 grams of cocaine -- the equivalent of about 4 "lines," or half the standard street-sale quantity (though half-size packages are becoming more common).

"No charges will be brought against ... addicts or consumers who are found in possession of any narcotic for personal use," according to the Senate bill, which also lays out allowable quantities for an array of other drugs, including LSD, ecstasy and amphetamines.

Some of the amounts are eye-popping: Mexicans would be allowed to possess more than two pounds of peyote, the button-size hallucinogenic cactus used in some native Indian religious ceremonies.

Mexican law now leaves open the possibility of dropping charges against people caught with drugs if they are considered addicts and if "the amount is the quantity necessary for personal use." But the exemption is not automatic. The new bill drops the "addict" requirement -- automatically allowing any "consumers" to have drugs -- and sets out specific allowable quantities.

Mexican officials declined to explain how the law would work -- including whether drug use in public would be tolerated, or discouraged by other means.

The law was defended by Mexican legislators -- and greeted with glee by U.S. legalization advocates.

"We can't close our eyes to this reality," said Sen. Jorge Zermeno, of Fox's conservative National Action Party. "We cannot continue to fill our jails with people who have addictions."

Ethan Nadelmann, director of the New York-based Drug Policy Alliance, said the bill removed "a huge opportunity for low-level police corruption." In Mexico, police often release people detained for minor drug possession, in exchange for bribes.

Selling all these drugs would remain illegal under the proposed law, unlike the Netherlands, where the sale of marijuana for medical use is legal and it can be bought with a prescription in pharmacies. While Dutch authorities look the other way regarding the open sale of cannabis in designated coffee shops -- something Mexican police seem unlikely to do -- the Dutch have zero tolerance for heroin and cocaine. In both countries, commercial growing of marijuana is outlawed.

In Colombia, a 1994 court ruling decriminalized personal possession of small amounts of cocaine, heroin and other drugs.

The effects in Mexico could be significant, given that the country is rapidly becoming a drug-consuming nation as well as a shipment point for traffickers, and given the number of U.S. students who flock to border cities or resorts like Cancun and Acapulco on vacation.

"This is going to increase addictions in Mexico," said Ulisis Bon, a drug treatment expert in Tijuana, where heroin use is rampant. "A lot of Americans already come here to buy medications they can't get up there ... Just imagine, with heroin."

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Cool!

They should totally decriminalize drugs. Heroin used to be an over-the-counter pain reliever like Advil in the US, BTW.

Now we really NEED to secure the border. But we need to let people through. Selectively.

People willing to work hard can come this way. People who are addicted to heroin can go that way (but they can't come back).

Sounds like the perfect solution to the border kerfuffle.

Or we could legalize drugs here, too, end welfare, and have national right-to-carry. I don't give a hoot if people prefer heroin to living life to the fullest, as long as I'm not taxed to support the bums, and as long as I can defend myself from those who would steal from me to get drugs. (Yes, they still would. Even cheap drugs cost SOME money, and heroin addicts aren't known for their industriousness. In fact, legalizing the stuff might take away their best current nonviolent means of earning cash.)
 
"Why won't you secure the border, Mr. President? Do you want drug dealers to be able to cross freely? Are you for drugs coming into America?" [/loaded questions]

Now, this just needs to be very publisized. Spread the word if you can.

CR
 
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Excellent. This is a step in the right direction. Now we need to follow their lead.
 
Mexico really needs to do this. Or else they would have the honest cops trying to arrest the Army personnel, or just the opposite. Politicos and land owners could care less, someone is gonna mule the product across the river.

We ought to be more concerned with what happens within our own borders.

salty.
 
good for Mexico.

Perhaps this will light a fire under the power junkies in Washington who continue to flush our tax money down the rat hole known as the war on drugs.
 
I imagine this means MORE drugs will be coming into the US now, via undocumented drug carriers across our ubersecure borders.


I claim to be a Libertarian. But I highly disagree with making drugs legal. I know, it's silly, we might as well make money off the drug sales like we do with alcohol and cigarettes. But, I just can't stomach being around people under the influence of drugs.

Considering I am also opposed to open borders...perhaps I need to rethink my political voting practices.
 
...I highly disagree with making drugs legal. I know, it's silly, we might as well make money off the drug sales like we do with alcohol and cigarettes. But, I just can't stomach being around people under the influence of drugs.

Well, if making drugs illegal actually worked then I'd think you might have a point. As it is, however...
 
Kamicosmos said:
I know, it's silly, we might as well make money off the drug sales like we do with alcohol and cigarettes. But, I just can't stomach being around people under the influence of drugs.
You're free to associate with whomever you wish. I take it, then, that you live in a Mormon community? Nobody you associate with ever drinks?

The question is, do people who aren't cool enough to hang out in your drug-free utopian enclave belong in jail?
 
But, I just can't stomach being around people under the influence of drugs.

So... you live in a country where drugs are illegal, yet you see enough people under the influence of drugs so as to know that you can't stomach them?


(not playing gang-up on KC, just you're a senior member and can take some ribbing)
 
Yeah because the police over there will not shake you down if you obey the law. It has nothing to do with how much bribe money they think you will give them. You can get away with murder over there if you have enough money or connections. Likewise, you can be arrested for nothing if they think it will give them access to your possessions without any repercussions. The change in the law has no meaning because Mexico does no understand what the rule of law means.
 
Hey, why not? Vinny Fox is dictating US immigration policy so why not branch into drug policy?

I claim to be a Libertarian. But I highly disagree with making drugs legal. I know, it's silly, we might as well make money off the drug sales like we do with alcohol and cigarettes. But, I just can't stomach being around people under the influence of drugs.
I've adopted the descriptor of my belief system as "Thinking libertarian".
 
Good for Mexico.

ArmedBear said:
Or we could legalize drugs here, too, end welfare, and have national right-to-carry. I don't give a hoot if people prefer heroin to living life to the fullest, as long as I'm not taxed to support the bums, and as long as I can defend myself from those who would steal from me to get drugs. (Yes, they still would. Even cheap drugs cost SOME money, and heroin addicts aren't known for their industriousness. In fact, legalizing the stuff might take away their best current nonviolent means of earning cash.)

You have echoed my sentiments exactly. I really don't care what consenting adults do as long as long as they do not harm others and it is not done on my hard earned earned dollar, which the .gov helps itself to with a generous hand via taxes.
 
ArmedBear said:
Cool!



Or we could legalize drugs here, too, end welfare, and have national right-to-carry. I don't give a hoot if people prefer heroin to living life to the fullest, as long as I'm not taxed to support the bums, and as long as I can defend myself from those who would steal from me to get drugs.

ArmedBear might be the only Californian I would want as President.
 
I think you probably should rethink your political allegiances, Kamicosmos; Being willing to let other people make mistakes is kind of central to being a libertarian.

Good for Mexico, even if they probably didn't have the best of motives for it. Too bad this half-way legalization just leaves you with the worst of both worlds...
 
Very good for Mexico, very bad for us. For the next few years any mention of decriminalizing small amounts of drugs in the U.S. will automatically trigger the "Why don't you move to Mexico, junky?" response. This will be closely followed with the standard "Yeah, sure, because if Mexico does it, it must be a good idea" sarcasm.

Lots of people figure that if Mexico does it, it's wrong, and if the U.S. does it, it's right.



Either way, I have to agree that the practical effect might not amount to much. Mexican police in some places will shake people down with a different excuse. The honest ones will behave differently, though. I've never gone far into Mexico, but everywhere has honest men. They must have some.
 
All you folks who want all drugs legalized must never have been around anyone that has become an addict.

I am not talking about pot, I'm talking smoking crack, heroin and meth.

It isn't a disease but it might as well be.

Normal everyday folks getting hollowed out until they are shadows of human beings.

Maybe we can have a state where they are all legal and it can be populated by the drug addicts and libertarians only. You want it legal so bad you can live around the misery instead of foisting the responsibility of picking up the pieces on someone else.
 
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When will people learn that prohibiting drugs works just as well as prohibiting alcohol or guns.
Yes, I know, prohibiting drugs is necessary to protect the kids. Just like prohibiting guns, right?
If you legalize drugs, you will have a one shot stop at all crime related to selling and obtaining drugs, including obtaining money for drugs. If you then direct all your money and manpower now wasted on the war against drugs to educate kids and help those who seek treatment for addiction, you'll be far better off.
Imagine all those folks now fighting drugs spending their time coaching sports for kids, leading boyscouts, etc. But yes I know, just as the Brady must stubbornly fight guns, others must stubbornly fight drugs.
 
I've been around plenty. I take them on their rides to the hospital when it goes too far. None of the laws have made much difference to any addict I've ever met, except that on top of everything else they do to their lives on drugs, they get sent to jail for some reason that's never been adequately explained.
 
I agree throwing habitual users in jail is stupid.

Throwing up our hands and allowing meth and crack to be sold at the local cigarette shop doesn't seem like a better solution than having some prohibition on self destructive behavior. The taxpayers are going to pay to pick up the pieces either way.
 
I dont see any mention of a change in their view on civilian arms, just "Guns = BAD! Drugs = G;) :cool: D!".

Mexico is to a point where it just cant afford to fight anymore. I also suspect they want to cash in on the border situation. With our current drug policy not looking to change, its a bad thing for us.
More black markets mean more money into the wrong hands. I suspect this could end up supercharging our gang problems, which will cause more violence (and you just know that will be spun to make more weapons laws).

All you folks who want all drugs legalized must never have been around anyone that has become an addict.

Ive been around people who are drunk and I think its disgusting.
Ban booze? ...no wait, that didnt work out too well :scrutiny:

The questions on the drug war is not if drugs are a bad thing, its how best to fight it. Maintaining a strict anti-drug policy is going to be nearly impossible if you wont properly penalize the dealers or cut off the supply line. In the end its rather pointless, since any junkie with the money can get a medical uses exemption.

All of our tax money cant be dumped into building a berlin wall to the south.
While I dont like what drugs do to a person, the effects of rich criminals on our communities have become far more painful.
 
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