Miami Vice

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I caught the movie last night with two of my nephews and here's my take: the plot was so linear, I could've used it to level my deck. That being said, I liked the action, the cars, the boats and the guns. I especially liked the sound effects of the rounds and the weapons being fired. My favorite scene was in the trailer trash living room, with the guy holding the detonator. I understand the reasoning behind the girl giving the speech to the BG, but the concept was clear: don't give them a chance to respond in any way other than what you direct. He chose to talk instead of dropping the detonator, so BANGSPLAT, he's DRT.

Would I see the movie again? Probably. Would I buy the DVD? More than likely, I will. Would I go see a Miami Vice II? Yeah, I guess so.

Siskel and Ebert, I ain't, so take it for what it's worth! :p
 
I have seen Heat and Collateral more times than I can count, and am a fan of Michael Mann, but I was not over thrilled with Miami Vice.
I liked the look Mann got with the digital cameras in Collateral, but it seemed a little over the top in this one. Plus some of the lines were pretty corny "Take it to the limit one more time". Do what?

However, I did think it was a pretty decent movie. It did drag for a while before getting to the action, but the action was not half bad. I liked the sound FX a lot. Weapons being fired downrange somewhat distant and the bullets striking the cars as loud snaps/pops/tings/what have you. Very cool, cery realistic.

There was quite a reaction in the theatre to some of the scenes that I kind of got a kick out of. The sex scene where he fakes it and says "Just kidding" was kind of funny. The female officer's conversation with the white supremacist followed by the unexpected (in my case) bang was a hit with the crowd at this particular showing.

Like someone else said, the guns, cars, boats, etc were very cool. The gun handling was not bad and I loved the 40mm grenade launcher (I WANT!). Overall not too bad a flick. Good popcorn flick, but Heat it is not.
 
Let me say for starters that I really wanted to like this movie, so I am somewhat biased. I also am extremely fond of Mann's work, and love the movie Heat, which I rewatched after seeing this film.

The camera work is absolutely top notch, a TON of great shots. However, this grittyness can be like salt, too little is bland but no big deal, too much and the food can become unedible. There were a few unedible moments in this film. Take for instance the shower scene. Now, a woman's neck and shoulder can be extremely sexy, but the closeup of that little patch of neck under the chin, with wet hair sticking to it, no not sexy at all, an WAY to long on camera.

I just couldn't get into the characters. He tried to give them each a little something but it just didn't work. This really stands out next to Heat, which I consider a pretty good movie with a few great action scenes. Even though the actors were often Oscar winners, the acting was just average in Heat, with a few good moments. Just the opposite in Miami Vice, the acting was abysmal, with just a few decent moments. It is like the actors were just trying to be cool and tough, and brought no other emotions to the screen. Mann can do good dialog, although he always has a tendancy to get a tad bit corney or carried away. In Vice, he just didn't deliver good dialog to the actors.

The movie started out weak, going with hip and fashion more than an fast action opening, which worked, plus had a lot of good music in the opening, but it dwindled after that, never picking itself back up. Even the secondary action build scene, the rescue, didn't give me anything to get emotionally involved over, and seemed way to easily accomplished.

And finally, the ending. I could have walked away satisfied from a crappy movie with an excellent gun battle, I could have walked away satisfied from a crappy movie with what was close to an excellent gunbattle except for a few flubbers.

I didn't walk away satisfied.

His gunfight scene is one area Mann shouldn't have botched it on. Chaos is good in such a scene, but here it was too dark and too chaotic to tell what the hell was going on. Twice I thought it was a badguy who got hit, but it turned out to be a good guy. There should be enough lighting that I can tell who people are when necessary. The actual gunplay was not bad, probably a tad above average, however, it was not good enough to take away from the real problem I had with the last action scene. It just sounded fakey. It sounded like someone had cranked the volume on a TV set and the news was reporting "live from bagdad" The gunshots had taht extremely TV news, extremely filtered, extremely long distance sound. You can't jsut take that sound, increase the decibles and call it close range gunfire. Standard mikes have a very difficult time catching firearms sounds, it takes skill to recreate what sounds like actual gunshots.

Again, take Heat, where the revirbirations of rifleshots in that movie's ending scene is what I most recall, so Mann has the technical knowhow to get the guns sounding right, and sounding LOUD, and adding to the feel of chaos. This really helped the feel of chaos in heat, as that scene was in broad daylight and well lit. Maybe he feared the actual gunsounds and increased volume would have made Vice's end scenes too chaotic. No, that was the darkness, and other problems.

Maybe someone convinced him that 'TV news background gunfire' sounds at a high volume would make the movie seem much more realistic to the average moviegoer. I don't buy that theory for a second. You can't fake or second guess realism or else it will bite you in the ass later. This holds true of gunfire, medical dramas, airplanes, or whatever. Again, harkening back to Heat, the average moviegoer would have been equally ignorant at that time, yet he chose supreme realism, even though at the time softer gunfire that could easily be spoken over was the norm (see T2 for this). Instead he went with true realism. And what happened? When real life occured a while later in the form of the North Hollywood Bank Robbery, it was described as 'Unrealistic, like a movie, like that scene from Heat!' Which doesn't make North Hollywood Bank Robbery unrealistic, it just shows how realistic the sound effects and pacing were in Heat. And weren't in Vice.
 
I liked the movie. It strikes me as having a high rewatch value. I really liked the seen with the M82A1's and the 300C. I just hope it does not end up in any Brady propoganda.
 
Several members mentioned a lack of character development. I agree with that. Perhaps Michael Mann decided this was Miami Vice the Movie (an extension of the TV show) and presumed you sort of knew about the characters already (analogous to Superman Returns). I kinda wondered myself about Crockett and Tubbs already working together/trusting partners at the beginning of the movie. Liked the ending in the trailer park.
 
Enough with "Miami Vice"

Michael Mann's real contribution to television was the far superior "Crime Story." That's been so forgotten, even the "classic tv" channel on my cable doesn't carry it and I've never seen it in syndication.

I guess rumpled suits and Fords don't draw Gen-Xers the way Armanis and Ferraris do. :rolleyes:
 
As an action movie I give it a 8. As a "Miami Vice" movie I give it a 2. It was Miami Vice in characters alone.

No character developement, especially for the rest of the Vice squad.

Crocketts love interest wasn't good looking at all. Let alone couldn't speak english. And too many love scenes.

In my opinion one of the coolist parts of the series was the focus on Crocketts pistol (being a gun fan). First the way cool Bren Ten and then the S&W 645. In the movie Crockett has a 1911 but they don't give you a shot where you can even tell what brand it is. Also I like the 1911 but give him something exotic like the Bren Ten. Maybee a Chrome H&K P7.

Musically it was terrible. They could have reworked the theme the way they did with Mission Impossible. And they played the Phil Collins song In The Air Tonight only in the closing credits.

Very disappointing as a Miami Vice movie, but ok as an action movie. Not even close to Heat though.

Steve
 
It was Miami Vice in characters alone

Saw the movie last night and I disagree. Although I was born in 85 and never got to see Miami Vice when it was new on tv, I did watch it religiously a couple years ago when spike tv played it in the mornings in addition to renting the dvd set a couple times.

I thought it was very Miami Vice like, but in present time instead of set in the 80's. The show was never about action and shootouts, it was about two cops going further undercover than any other cops before. I remember a few episodes where there was no action at all, where it was basically a love story instead, or some other kind of dramatic story between two characters.

As far as the acting, I thought Farrell and Fox portrayed portrayed the original characeters well. Crockett and Tubbs were always kind of cold and distant but at the same time also very dedicated to their jobs and never crossed the line between good and bad.

The whole time watching it I thought it felt just like the tv show, but set in a modern time.

Plus the cars were awesome, the flying scenes looked amazing, and the incorporation of the hurricane weather in the background of some scenes really added to the darkness.
 
I'm right there with buy guns.

I saw it again tonight. Unfortunately this particular theater either had the THX turned off or it didn't have it at all, but the movie suffered greatly without the real sound fx. I still think it was a great movie though, not better (nor worse) than Mann's other films, but just different. On a related note, I took the plunge and procured a nice surround sound reciever to start building a real home theater.

I think a lot of editing pays homage to the series, remember how abrupt the cuts and endings and scene changes were. It was one of the few shows (IMHO) that the audience was expected to be paying enough attention to know what was going on, and the movie is the same way I think. Mann sort of "hinted" at some things rather than making them glaringly obvious.
 
Review: "Miami Vice"[/b]

Just saw this movie thought you'd all like to know if it is worth seeing.

6 out of 10.

The movie is fun, some great action......but the action is mostly toward the last 15 minutes of the movie.

Rest of the movie has some great scenery, nice boats, and cars.....but slow. I couldn't wait for the action to start. And it was at the end.

The gunplay was awesome though. Too bad there wasn't more of it. You see some HK's, M-4's, Barret .50 cal's, Benelli Shotguns get a large part. The action is sweet.

There is also some interesting parts, like:

1.) Why do u need a .50 cal for 10 yard shots?

2.) Why does every .50 cal sniper have to squeeze off a shot when hit?

3.) How does a burlap sack stop someone from being seeing by a nite vision device?

But the movie was fun. Probably worth seeing in theater.....but better as a rental.

:sniper:
 
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I just saw it.

All I can say is the first scene with the Barrett was REALLY intense. It was actually gross and disturbing.

Made me feel kinda dirty.
 
Was never interested in the TV show growing up and have not seen the movie, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

I like Mann as a director and he has done some of the best gun/action scenes.

The 80's TV show strikes me as fun loving, light and bright with some comedic value -- entertaining in many ways. Something for everyone.

From the commercials, the movie seems dark and everyone is a badass and everyone is larger than life.

Is it just me or is hollywood full of movies where the characters are unbelievable.
 
I have the distinct feeling that Vice will be one of those movies that will be better on DVD. From what I've heard, Mann had to cut TONS of stuff from the final draft.

Definitely on my "To Buy" list when it comes out on DVD.
 
leadcouncel- a LOT of the episodes were anything but fun loving and bright. A good many of them were sad, dark, or downright ugly IMHO. "Evan" comes to mind
 
Wow, all this Michael Mann talk and noone has brought up "Thief" yet. Great flick! Loved "Heat", but "Collateral" didn't do much for me. Yet to see "Miami Vice".
 
Chuck, I totally forgot to mention "thief", great great flick, with excellent 1911 work to boot!
 
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SVI Tiki.

Sonny's pistol was the Strayer Voigt "Tiki". nice gun, if you have 5k laying around.
The shotty at the villa was a Mossy 500 with pistol grip, on a shoulder sling. Really handy room sweeper. Tubbs' sidearm was Sig 220 with Siglite nightsights.
Can't figure out the Sonny carbine, but it looked like a 550.
Sweet hardware. The boats were amazing, and the cars were, of course, really sweet, unlike the terrible corvette/daytona monstrosity from the series.
 
Steve: Tiki?

like this?
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I could have sworn Sonny's 1911 was a little more traditional, with regular irons, etc...
 
I saw it, thought it was "OK". Shoot-out scene at the end was too dark, couldn't tell who was shooting at what. Lots of muzzle flash, several cool takes where shooters became engulfed in a cloud of gun smoke after prolonged firing of their weapons though. Music was crappy.

It's no Heat or Way of the Gun as far as I'm concerned. Even though fewer shooters may have been involved in the big shoot-outs in these movies, I thought the action scenes flowed better. Hard to beat the river of brass flowing out of Val Kilmer's M16 in the middle of the day--that's one movie I wish that I had seen on the big screen.

NS
 
I have to seriously disagree about the music.

I loved it. I bought the soundtrack instantly after seeing the film.
Chris Cornell, of Soundgarden fame, now lead man in Audioslave, wrote and performed a lot of the songs in this film. I'm a big fan, as you might guess.
 
steve- i'm right there with ya, lots of good tracks in this movie, and they all fit well with the scenes imho.
 
Just niticed your sig line, Rob.

I love that movie. "At least we don't go around whining about it."
Back on topic: This was pretty good by itself, and bears little to no resemblence to the TV program. Mann is an incredible director, and this movie didn't disappoint. The DVD should put all the fence-sitters firmly on my side, and it's already in my Amazon wishlist.
 
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