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Michigan repr. attacks semi-auto rifles

Discussion in 'Activism' started by HOWARD J, Oct 26, 2016.

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  1. HOWARD J

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    Long before I joined former President George Bush in resigning my Life Membership in the NRA, the ILA was publishing this sort of silliness.

    This is a bill introduced by a minority member of the Michigan legislature that - based on prior experience - has no possibility of being enacted into law. It is, in my opinion, nothing more than an attempt by the ILA to generate panic amongst people who slept through their High School Civics class and thus don't realize they are being "shaken down" by the ILA to defend them against a law that has no chance of being enacted in the first place.
     
  3. Carl N. Brown

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    Sounds to me like a Michigan version of the New York SAFE Act.
    Which was passed.
    New York gun owners ignored warnings about that one. I believe there were similar situations in Wasghington State, California and Oregon.

    Maybe NY Rep Major Owens' annual bills to repeal the Second Amendment never had a chance of passing, but the fact that they were introduced should not have been ignored.
    The "gun control" advocates all blame the NRA-ILA for the sunset of the 1994-2004 Federal Assault Weapon Ban of which W. Bush said he would sign the renewal if it reached his desk, just as H.W. Bush imposed import restrictions in 1989 and resigned his NRA life membership over NRA criticism of the handling of Ruby Ridge and Waco (the "jackbooted thug" ad).
     
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    Yeah, why don't we all go to sleep and not worry that law makers will try to take away our rights. Good grief, you are angry at the ILA? hdwhit, thanks for being part of the problem.
     
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    I don't mean to pile on, but early legislative awareness is critical to maintaining our rights. Sometimes these bills fade away and sometimes they come back. Rarely does a bill pass the first time it is introduced, but rather it builds on consensus. The gun control side never quits.

    You can always refuse any donation requests. I recommend the recycling bin.
     
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    Stay vigilant and never give up the fight.

    Living in California, we experienced the "Gunmageddon" the mother of all anti-gun laws in 2016 and sadly, most of the bills passed as laws starting 2017.

    With Republican WH/Senate/House with potential appointments to SCOTUS, the antis will wage war like never before at the state level and we need to stop their attempts whenever/wherever possible.

    What happened in California CAN happen in other states if we don't fight back and take action.
     
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    Silliness? Go back to sleep my friend, there are enough of us who will react to all legitimate alerts so you don't have to.
     
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    Each proposed bill should be evaluated in the context of whether it can make it out of the first committee or not. Many bills are for show to a constituency or to the national party and no one expects the to go anywhere near a floor vote. That doesn't mean we should ever become complacent. We should do our homework and take the opportunity to know what committee head needs to hear of our opposition so we're on record with them that we're paying attention.
     
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    It may be the new format fooling me, but you roused a two-month-old dead thread with a warning about this initiative to complain that it was the ILA crying wolf? I suppose you would rather no mention had been made until now, when it had had time to gain support, or those pushing it had found a way to sneak it through under cover of dark? I'll bet you think the warnings pushed out in Illinois whenever a 'shell bill' (to be filled later in the legislative process with actual content via amendment) is being driven by anti-gun blowhards is also a false alarm?

    The attention these proposal receive, in no small part due to the vigilant effort of groups like the ILA, is part of the reason they are unable to make progress. When we slack, is when they sneak past us.

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    Michigan isn't California, Illinois, Washington, or New York. Michigan has a Republican governor and Republicans hold 60% of the seats in the House and 71% of the seats in the Senate. This bill has no chance of making it out of committee let alone becoming law. This is the ILA crying wolf and preying on those that don't understand the political reality. No one dollar is needed to fight this bill.

    Like hdwhit I left the NRA about the same time as Bush Sr. It is a shame the NRA lost it's way and went from a shooting organization to a political action committee.
     
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    NRA shooters association never went away. The NRA-ILA legislative action is a seperate entity (which is why they beg for funds--they don't get NRA memebers dues).
    The mailing I saw asked Michigan gun owners to write their reps to voice opposition to the bill; I did not see a call for dollars (although that's an option if one wants to help more).

    When the NRA testified against Joseph B. Tydings' national gun registration bill in 1968 and it was defeated, a member of Congress asked the FBI to investigate the NRA as an unregistered lobby to pull its tax status as an educational membership association.. NRA executives decided rather than prove a negative, they formed a NRA lobbying arm seperate from the NRA shooter's organization and registered it with Congress. NRA did not lose its way, it added another way.
     
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    I'm well aware that the NRA-ILA is organized as a separate body. That doesn't mean that they are actually separate.
     
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    It does mean, as Mr. Brown points out, that they are funded separately in the sense that they don't get member dues and are dependent on contributions.

    http://www.amarkfoundation.org/nra-who-funds-the-nra-11-13-15.pdf

    The NRA-ILA (Institute for Legislative Action, a 501(c)(4)), is not funded by NRA membership dues; the main revenue sources appear to be contributions from individuals and corporations, and programs such as “round-up” and other point-of-purchase donations.
     
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    We did? From the moment word got out, I spent every spare minute I had e-mailing, writing, and calling my representatives and the governor's office. So did many of the people I know.

    We couldn't prevent passage, but I believe the pressure was effective in getting a few of the most odious provisions squashed, like the ridiculous seven-round magazine limit. (The compromise, loading only seven rounds in a ten-round magazine everywhere except on a range, ended up not passing judicial muster. Even the anti-gun judge who heard the case saw through that fiasco.)

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    I sit corrected. Not all New York gun owners ignored that one. I did have the impression the Governor pushed that one through before adequate warning could be given or action taken. You deserve thanks for raising legitimate objections to that fiasco.
     
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    Yes, that's true -- it was rushed through under a "message of necessity," and we only had a few days to respond before it went to vote. There was a period after it passed when it got tweaked somewhat, and I believe the pressure was more effective then. If we had had a few months to really get the ground game going before passage, we could have been more effective. The governor knew it, and that's why he pulled the fast one.

    A lot of credit goes to the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association and nyfirearms.com -- they did a lot in terms of providing information about how to contact representatives, etc.
     
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