Micro-stamped ammo Serial # B.S.

[jjtroutbum]

Was just at a local gun store in St. Charles Mo and I heard the guy behind the counter

There is your first mistake.Listening to any gun store salesman is at best a toss of the coin as to whether or not they are knowledgeable at all or have an agenda.

I figure the Gun dealer is nomally a tad bit more informed than I...

Well only you can correct this fault. Missouri carry will help with the learning curve.

The rumor is bull pucky that kinda stuff gets the show me residents all fired up.

 

[The Bushmaster]

Thanks jjtroutbum...And it sure does...

 

[Restorer]

I would rather that they serialize the ammo than take my guns!

I agree 100%. My problem with it is the old "...camel gets it's nose under the edge of the tent" thing. Soon you've got the whole camel.

I guess it's better to have the gun. I can always use it as an expensive club to brain somebody. On the other hand, if they took my gun then I'd be reduced to trying to throw expensive bullets pointy end first. Fast. My arm may be good but my shoulder ain't what it used to be. It's only single shot and the velocity is terrible. Squirrels and cats just laugh at me now when I chunk acorns at them. I'm sunk if they serialize acorns.

 

[IndianaBoy]

I would rather that they serialize the ammo than take my guns!

I agree 100%. My problem with it is the old "...camel gets it's nose under the edge of the tent" thing. Soon you've got the whole camel.

I guess it's better to have the gun. I can always use it as an expensive club to brain somebody. On the other hand, if they took my gun then I'd be reduced to trying to throw expensive bullets pointy end first. Fast. My arm may be good but my shoulder ain't what it used to be. It's only single shot and the velocity is terrible. Squirrels and cats just laugh at me now when I chunk acorns at them. I'm sunk if they serialize acorns.

Gentlemen, be careful what you say.

A law requiring the individual serialization of each cartridge would be a defacto ban on ammunition. It would be prohibitively expensive. Especially when you get into the logistics of a firearm that microstamps the brass.

We need to think very critically about any infringement they propose. They aren't doing it to preserve our rights. They are whittling them away from all sides.

 

[BHP FAN]

EXACTLY!Here in California,under the guise of ''safety'',all new handguns sold have to be on the CA ''OK'' list,which gets smaller DAILY.

 

[Restorer]

Indianaboy;
My previous post about taking guns vs. taking ammo was meant in jest. I know this is a very serious issue...if you check out my first post in this thread you'll see I've done a bit of research into it. What got me looking into it was that this bill in Alabama went straight from committee to Judiciary who then recommended it for an up/down vote. I emailed my rep to express my concerns...he wasn't really aware of what the bill was when I contacted him, but after careful reading he assured me he would vote against it (I've got a good Rep.)

Our neighbor state to the West had recently opened a Winchester ammo plant with a 3.5 mill payroll...in all likelihood this kind of nonsense would put that plant out of business.

What made me aware of this legislation was a post on another forum like THR (but not as good) These forums are a great way to spread awareness.

 

[smullen]

Thanks...


I posted...

 

[BADUNAME37]

True about rights, and once they are taken away, they are not usually given back very easily, if at all.

I take back what I said about rather having searialized ammo than my guns taken.

I don't want ANYTHING to change.

Period.

 

[qajaq59]

I wanna move there and sell the machines for putting the numbers on ammo. I'll be so rich in the first week I'll be able to afford all the guns I ever dreamed of.

 

[stevelyn]

He whipped out some official looking document that said stating Jan 1 2009, they had to request ID and log it with the Serial #s of said ammo....

Unless it's a state requirement, ammo record keeping ended with FOPA '86.

I'd say screw him anyway an order ammo from elsewhere and have it delivered to your doorstep.

 

[hso]

Sounds like a question about a law so I'll move it to Legal.

 

[sumiso]

The coutner guys said, since we got this... He whipped out some official looking document that said stating Jan 1 2009, they had to request ID and log it with the Serial #s of said ammo....

Even if it were true, he's enforcing it two months early. Buy all you can before the new year starts.

 

[The Bushmaster]

It's not starting in Jan. 1, 2009 in Missouri. It never came to a vote and was dropped...

 

[SHusky57]

I work in a large outdoor/sports retail chain in the hunting and fishing department. Most of the people working the gun counter don't really know hardly anything about guns or federal law. I wouldn't sweat it. They just do what they are told by corporate whose number one priority is to cover-their-rear.

 

[smullen]

I work in a large outdoor/sports retail chain in the hunting and fishing department. Most of the people working the gun counter don't really know hardly anything about guns or federal law. I wouldn't sweat it. They just do what they are told by corporate whose number one priority is to cover-their-rear.

I agree with what you say about the bigger Chains, but I expect more outta the guys at smaller shops like Gateway Outfitters, Nassau and the like than I do big box stores...

You don't go (or at least I don't) to bigger chain stores and ask the employees much other than price and if its in stock... Not to disrespect those folks, they are usually more than willing to show up do a good job and be helpful, they just don't get training on much of anythin other than putting items on the shelf and ringing it up... I worked at one of those Chains for a few years...

Sorry to digress, back to the origianl subject.... I am glad to see that this Serial Number stamping business does not look to be taking off here in Missouri! Thanks to all of you that helped dispell the B.S.... I did title it B.S. in the title of the post...

 

[rondog]

Sounds like I need to buy/scrounge even MORE brass & bullets. Still waiting on three shipments to arrive as it is.

 

[smullen]

Sounds like I need to buy/scrounge even MORE brass & bullets. Still waiting on three shipments to arrive as it is.

Same here, I've been most of my 9mm, .45, .223 & .308 Brass for several months now...

A friend of the family is a long time reloader and is supposed to show me how and get me started in a few months when he moves closer...

Also, I'm waiting on a package from ammoman.com

 

[smullen]

Hate to bring this back up, but I think this was waht the old guy @ Gateway outfitters has... I think I remember him saying SB 1200...

http://www.senate.mo.gov/08info/BTS_Web/Bill.aspx?SessionType=R&BillID=148094

SB 1200 - This act requires the department of public safety to develop and maintain an ammunition coding system database containing certain information provided by manufacturers and vendors of firearm ammunition. The information shall only be made available to law enforcement agencies to be used in criminal investigations. The database shall be developed and operational by January 1, 2009. Manufacturers and vendors that do not provide the required information shall be subject to civil fines.


The cost of maintaining the database shall be paid from the newly created "Ammunition Coding System Database Fund". Vendors of firearm ammunition shall charge an additional one-half cent per bullet or round of ammunition and the money shall be forwarded to the state treasurer to be deposited into the fund.


Under this act, a person commits the crime of unlawful sale of uncoded ammunition if he or she sells any ammunition that has not been coded after March 1, 2009. Unlawful sale of uncoded ammunition is a Class A misdemeanor. A person commits the crime of unlawful possession of uncoded ammunition if he or she possesses ammunition that has not been coded or where the code has been rendered unreadable after January 1, 2011. Unlawful possession of uncoded ammunition is Class A misdemeanor. The term "coded ammunition" shall mean a bullet carrying a unique identifier that has been applied by etching onto the base of the bullet projectile.

SUSAN HENDERSON MOORE

 

[Librarian]

Hate to bring this back up, but I think this was waht the old guy @ Gateway outfitters has... I think I remember him saying SB 1200...

And the link says it never moved after being assigned to committee; the guy at Gateway appears to have not been told the bill never passed, so no such law exists.

And besides, if it were to take effect in 2009, why was he trying to enforce it in November, 2008? Your clerk seems to have been very confused.

 

[BHP FAN]

''the crime of unlawful possession of uncoded ammunition if he or she possesses ammunition that has not been coded or where the code has been rendered unreadable after January 1, 2011...''

This is the insideous part.It effectively outlaws casting your own,and reloading .Most people who voted for it here in California did not get that.

 

[Librarian]

Most people who voted for it here in California

Ammo serialization didn't pass in California, either. They tried in 2005 with SB 357 (the April 18th "gut and replace" version) which was itself gutted and replaced with an entirely different bill August 14th, 2005.

California's microstamping law is 'have the gun mark the case'.

I expect it will be back. No bad idea seems ever to completely die.

 

[BHP FAN]

Wow,pretty vague...but you've saved me the expense of moving to be able continue my reloading hobby.Thanks!

(7) Commencing January 1, 2010, for all semiautomatic pistols that
are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 12131, it
is not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters
that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol,
etched or otherwise imprinted in two or more places on the interior
surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and that are
transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is
fired, provided that the Department of Justice certifies that the
technology used to create the imprint is available to more than one
manufacturer unencumbered by any patent restrictions. The Attorney
General may also approve a method of equal or greater reliability and
effectiveness in identifying the specific serial number of a firearm
from spent cartridge casings discharged by that firearm than that
which is set forth in this paragraph, to be thereafter required as
otherwise set forth by this paragraph where the Attorney General
certifies that this new method is also unencumbered by any patent
restrictions. Approval by the Attorney General shall include notice
of that fact via regulations adopted by the Attorney General for
purposes of implementing that method for purposes of this paragraph.
The microscopic array of characters required by this section shall
not be considered the name of the maker, model, manufacturer's
number, or other mark of identification, including any distinguishing
number or mark assigned by the Department of Justice, within the
meaning of Sections 12090 and 12094.

 

[cobra2411]

 

[1858rem]

so what if you reload and cast bullets?

 

[cobra2411]

1858, the bill they introduced in PA spelled out who is a manufacture and who is a seller. As a reloader who makes ammo for personal use you are neither a manufacture or seller and therefore exempt from the law.

Your mileage may vary...