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Very good points, and I am not defending Midway just providing rationale.

I agree that they probably have grown too large of an inventory. The result is a slower web site, bigger printing costs, and more inventory costs for a big catalog. Although the marketing philosophy behind a big catalog is that if it is on your shelf taking up a footprint then it is probably the one you will turn too. Also, your catalog will try to make some information "folksy" to make you (the customer) feel comfortable/personal with the business. That logic is becoming less important as the WEB becomes a primary way of browsing and ordering. But no doubt if Midway outsources their printing, the cost of printing and shipping that honkin catalog is probably about $10-12 per catalog...Nice for you guys that like to sit on the white throne perusing the reloading products.... (By the way, that Website you all love to browse and compare to, costs big bucks.)

Sears'large inventory vs Midway's is an apple and orange comparison. Sears has the distribution centers and many outlets to have a fast turn of inventory. That means they get their money back much quicker and can purchase in volume (including from low cost regions like China). Midway is one place that is its own warehouse and outlet.

So to maintain the traditional high level of customer satisfaction that they taught you to expect when they were a smaller business now requires that they stock more inventory...i.e. more money tied up. But being who they are they can't turn that around as quick. One reason that Lee products are a good bargain there is because they most likely have a faster return time so Midway can affort to have a lower cost. Plus they know that reloaders may go to their catalog more often that way. Kinda like a loss-leader item in a supermarket. They put the milk at a low price to get you into the store knowing that a lot of you will buy other things (at a higher price) while you are there.

Midway as it has gotten larger, because they did a good job for you, now may be hitting the wall...Getting larger means more headcount to pay salaries and benefits for, more square footage needed, more inventory, etc.....Boom, prices start increasing just to make the margins needed. Items that don't sell as often...maybe they don't keep as much in inventory hoping that when you order that particular item, you will be patient while they restock.

Look at it this way. A lot of you readers have some firearm, say a Mosin, that you bought at Big 5 or another place because it was a bargain. Let's say you paid $105 (gun + sales tax) and put it on your Visa Card. That money and future money (being paid in your monthly payment to Visa) could have been used to invest to make more money. But all of your money is tied up in stuff...the Mosin. As a result you may not have a good retirement plan going because your extra money is tied up in "bargains"....Midway has probably realized they have a lot of money tied up and are not seeing the returns they used to.

Obviously they will have to adapt to survive.
 
Call it whining if you want. I have been a customer of Midway's since 1989. I think the point I and others were trying to make was this; In return for being a loyal customer and helping their business grow, I don't expect your prices to go from wholesale to high end of retail in 5 years. I believe most of us WILL be comparison shopping as nearly half the posts talk about other online sources. Thank you.
 
I wouldn't call it whining. I have already voted with my dollars.

But, I genuinely want Midway to succeed. The Potterfield family seems to have fulfilled the American dream by nurturing a small business into an industry leader in just a single generation. In the process, they have made shooting more affordable and more accessible to thousands of shooters. They have also been staunch supporters of the NRA which is something else I admire.

It bothers me that a company I want to do business with seems to be working hard to drive my business away.

As an example of inventory madness, let's consider 9mm 115gr FMJ bullets (per hundred, all in stock as I write this):
- Winchester $9.09
- Magtech $9.49
- Rainier $10.99 (plated, not jacketed)
- Remington $11.29
- Hornady $13.79

Here we have five products that are pretty much direct substitutes for each other. With the exception of the Rainier, these are all just bulk jacketed RN bullets. They aren't hunting bullets or bullets that someone would use for maximum accuracy. Is it necessary to carry all of these?

I'd wager a guess that they may have contracts with some of these companies that in order to sell, say, Hornady XTP and V-Max, you must carry certain other products from the Hornady line. If that is the case, they must look at what is popular and what isn't. Ditch a brand or two.

The other thing, why are Rainiers almost $2 more per hundred than the Winchesters?? Another guess: most folks buy Rainiers for the price, not because they have no exposed lead. I have to imagine that Rainier sales have plummeted since the price increase on Jan 1.

They carry five brands of 9mm brass plus "once fired" for a total of 6 types. They have 7 different brands of 7-round 1911 Gov't magazines (and no Colt factory mags either!). They have 4 types of .270 nylon bore brushes, all the same threading and four types of .270-.348 cleaning patches.

Who knows, maybe the items I selected really do make money. But, how much do they affect indirect and overhead costs? More items stocked means:
-Bigger warehouse
-More website maintenance
-More time developing the catalog
-More interest paid (or opportunity costs) on sitting inventory
-Overwhelming the customer

Really now... four types of nylon .270 brushes??!!? Stock a good one and a cheap/bargain one. Crazy.
 
Strat, you hit the nail right on the head. We all admire what that family has done, but you are right, they are hurting their business with current inventory practicies. They need to take a serious look at their product offerings and consider what is resulting in little sales but increasing their inventory expense while decreasing margin.
 
Last bullet mold that I bought I got it cheaper by $20 at midsouth. Have to pay sales tax but can still buy cheaper from midsouth. Used to buy from Midway but could drive twenty miles and get about same price. Wideners is a good place but they don"t keep their stock up to date. Bob
 
I buy alot of the time from Midway. More for convenience and ignorance than anything else. I got one of theose BizRate emails from them not too long ago and I added the comment that they are becoming the talk on the net about their shipping and pricing schedule and it seems that many are looking elswhere for for their bussiness becuase of it. Maybe if more people do the same, they may take a better look at the charges they levy.
 
Yep, their prices are preventing me from buying from them.

I can get 500 230gr FMJ .451 cal locally for 55$. Midway wants 77-78$.

I thought mail order was supposed to be cheaper.
 
Midway, PLEASE!

New to this area of online shopping I had been using Midway exclusively. Last night however changed that! I had a few things in my wish list and decided to order. One item was on back order expected next week. If I placed the order they would have shipped the in stock parts immediately and then the back ordered item when it came in thus hitting me twice with the high shipping. I called and asked if I could place the order and have them hold it until all the items were in stock since I was in no hurry. I was told “NO, we do not have enough storage space to accommodate this request.” I said thank you and told them they should invest in more storage space since they would be storing my order forever since I was not placing it!

I then hit the internet and found another vendor a little closer and paid less over all.

Thank You Midway for forcing me to find another vendor. Now Midway will be last on my list instead of first when I need supplies.
 
As far as buying used brass from Midway, I gave that up a long, long time ago. I've found this place http://www.brassmanbrass.com/ to be far cheaper on all once fired brass. And the shipping cost is always at a price I can live with.

345 DeSoto

Do you have a link to this TJConevera? I don't think I've ever heard of him.

Thanks,

Richard
 
I had given up on Midway except for odds and ends. Tried to order some today, but the website was so slow I brewed coffee while waiting for a hit on one item, which was, of course, out of stock. Went to Grafs and got better prices with $4.95 shipping. I think Midway is now off my list, period.
 
Meatco - BigBlack beat me to it. This past December, I did a price comparison on a large order, between Midway and Mid South. Not only was Mid South cheaper, but they had a $5.00 Shipping Special...AND they were willing to hold the order till the one backordered item came in (2 days later). Guess who got the order. I am a retired Police Officer and I am NOT rolling in Retirement money, so every buck helps. I will use my computer to save a buck where ever what I can. When I ordered my 185 grn HBRN (.45 ACP)plated bullets from T J Coneverra, I killed 2 VC with one bullet. Not only was the price GREAT ($109/1000 + free Shipping), but the HBRN, light grain weight, fully plated bullet was exactly what I'd been looking for...:D
 
Competition is a good thing. I have had no problems with Midway - the products and shipping time have been great. Lately, as others have found, I've been able to do better on the total price with Grafs, Ammoman, and others. I think Midway's a great organization that supports the shooting sports, but I've got to go where I can save the most.
 
I just dropped $110 at Midway....

the bullets I got were $3 more for a 500 pc. box than at Widener's, but the die set was $1 cheaper......and Widener's was out of stock....

Kempf's was $2 more on the die set, but didn't have the bullets I wanted.

The plastic cartridge boxes were $1 cheaper each at Midway...

each item on my order was more expensive at Mid-South

Shipping was $15...

the moral of the story...

Midway's selection is second to none, they usually have what I want in stock, there normal prices are competitive and their sale prices are usually the lowest you can find.

as far as shipping goes....

splitting this order up among the three vendors who had lowest prices and stock would have cost more than just placing the order at Midway.....

Midway USA rocks imho.
 
OMG I am weak; I just placed an order tonight with Midway even though I hate their shipping polices. I decided I needed another tumbler and since it was on sale $4 less then Harbor Freight I decided to order it. Shipping was $11 so I ordered their 500 115 gr 9mm FMJ they had on sale for $25. The bullets only added $3 to the shipping since the go by price instead of weight. The extra weight gives me the illusion I am sticking it to them.
 
Part of it is their accounting method.
Many companies use LiFo-last cost in is the first cost out--means higher prices.

Others use FiFo-first cost in is the first cost out--means lower prices. There are other inventory accounting methods, I feel they must be using LiFo.

Guess which inventory method the oil companies use?
 
500 115 gr 9mm FMJ they had on sale for $25

I saw that price too!

At a nickle a bullet, it almost tempted me to get 9mm dies and put my hoard of scrounged 9mm brass into service.

I thought the better of it (as I do highly value my marriage ;)) and resisted the temptation.
 
They may be expensive but their customer service is top notch and so it their return policy. If I have to make another big dollar purchase like a press I am going to buy it from them in case I get a lemon. It's good to have their leverage when dealing with the manufacturers warranty service.
 
Midway has a huge selection, and much of it seems to actually be in stock.

I don't like their shipping policies either. I jsut don't understand the need to not use fixed rate USPS priority shipping. USPS gives you the boxes even.Would make a lot of sense for smaller and heavier items. It could be that there is some non-obvious reason they do this. Could be that trying to use multiple shippers would paradoxically end up costing them more money.

I know a company that is moving its warehouse to be next door to the fedex hub and instituting a free next day air shipping policy for all orders (wholesale only), even if it is a 50 cent part. I can't figure out the logic to that either.

I have ordered from Midway many times over the years. Never had any trouble with my orders, and while I can't say all my orders were packed and shipped the same day (since I never kept track of them), I can't recall ever feeling they were slow to ship, and I probably would have remembered that.
 
If shipping rates are "set by the carrier" why would Grafs charge the exact shipping costs (UPS/FEDEX) and have $ in the box when it arrives when they over estimate shipping costs and Midway (and others) hit you with a shipping fee/charge regardless of the order size etc.
It's a fee, just like the oil change places hit you with an "enviro" fee, or the tire places hit you with a disposal fee...

Just my .02

Bob
 
well, say what you want about midway, i for one like them. their website is very easy to use, their prices are acceptable to me (on most items), and their customer sevice is second to none! i will continue to buy from them. i have tried mid south, i do not like their website. it is not easy for me to use, their product description is not as good as midway's. i also like cabellas, great website, they have different items than midway also. great customer service as well. just my 2 cents worth.
 
another good reason to buy from midway is because they support some of the best shows on TV. Wednesday nights on outdoor network.

i also like larry's gunsmithing tips on american rifleman.
 
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