Military Shows off new Ray Gun

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Ok, I didn't search for this here...I just scrolled down the new posts and didn't see it. I think this is pretty darn cool.

http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/story/1177840/

Military Shows Off New Ray Gun
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By ELLIOTT MINOR

Posted: Today at 3:55 p.m.
Updated: Today at 5:20 p.m.

MOODY AIR FORCE BASE, Ga. — The military calls its new weapon an "active denial system," but that's an understatement. It's a ray gun that shoots a beam that makes people feel as if they are about to catch fire.

Apart from causing that terrifying sensation, the technology is supposed to be harmless - a non-lethal way to get enemies to drop their weapons.

Military officials say it could save the lives of innocent civilians and service members in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

The weapon is not expected to go into production until at least 2010, but all branches of the military have expressed interest in it, officials said.

During the first media demonstration of the weapon Wednesday, airmen fired beams from a large dish antenna mounted atop a Humvee at people pretending to be rioters and acting out other scenarios that U.S. troops might encounter in war zones.

The device's two-man crew located their targets through powerful lenses and fired beams from more than 500 yards away. That is nearly 17 times the range of existing non-lethal weapons, such as rubber bullets.

Anyone hit by the beam immediately jumped out of its path because of the sudden blast of heat throughout the body. While the 130-degree heat was not painful, it was intense enough to make the participants think their clothes were about to ignite.

"This is one of the key technologies for the future," said Marine Col. Kirk Hymes, director of the non-lethal weapons program at Quantico, Virginia, which helped develop the new weapon. "Non-lethal weapons are important for the escalation of force, especially in the environments our forces are operating in."

The system uses electromagnetic millimeter waves, which can penetrate only 1/64th of an inch of skin, just enough to cause discomfort. By comparison, microwaves used in the common kitchen appliance penetrate several inches of flesh.

The millimeter waves cannot go through walls, but they can penetrate most clothing, officials said. They refused to comment on whether the waves can go through glass.

The weapon could be mounted aboard ships, airplanes and helicopters, and routinely used for security or anti-terrorism operations.

"There should be no collateral damage to this," said Senior Airman Adam Navin, 22, of Green Bay, Wisconsin, who has served several tours in Iraq.

Navin and two other airmen were role players in Wednesday's demonstration. They and 10 reporters who volunteered were shot with the beams. The beams easily penetrated various layers of winter clothing.

The system was developed by the military, but the two devices currently being evaluated were built by defense contractor Raytheon.

Airman Blaine Pernell, 22, of suburban New Orleans, said he could have used the system during his four tours in Iraq, where he manned watchtowers around a base near Kirkuk. He said Iraqis constantly pulled up and faked car problems so they could scout out U.S. forces.

"All we could do is watch them," he said. But if they had the ray gun, troops "could have dispersed them."
 
So...they know now that it WON'T catch them on fire, and the temp in the middle east isn't exactly what you'd call frigid to begin with...
hmm.
 
Wonder if it would be enough to set off explosives that someone attached to their torso...... Just need a C-130, with a mega version of the gun, to do passes over Iraq and watch the show.
 
US military unveils heat-ray gun

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6297149.stm

The US military has given a first public demonstration what it says is a revolutionary heat-ray weapon to repel enemies or disperse hostile crowds.

The gun - called Silent Guardian - projects an invisible high energy beam that produces a sudden burning feeling, but is actually harmless.

The beam can be fired as far as 500m (500 yards), much further than existing non-lethal weapons like rubber bullets.

The gun should be in use by the US military within three years.

The prototype weapon uses a large rectangular dish mounted on a Humvee vehicle.

The waves can penetrate clothes but not walls, suddenly heating up the skin of anyone in its path to 50C.

Journalists who volunteered to be zapped during the demonstration on an air base in the US state of Georgia described the sensation as similar to a blast from a very hot oven - too painful to bear and forcing them to dive for cover.

Military officials say the so-called "active denial system" is harmless, but could prove invaluable in the increasingly complex situations they face.

The marine colonel in charge said it was an alternative to going straight from shouting to shooting and could save lives.

The system could be used both for dispersing hostile crowds during peace time, or in conflicts like Iraq and Afghanistan
 
Assuming this works as advertised, and can actually be deployed with troops in the field (is reliable, can be supplied with the required amount of energy, etc) I’m for this expenditure of my tax money.

Also, if it works, can I get one to keep the Jehovah Witnesses away from my front door?
 
Someday maybe they can invent a weapon that actually DOES catch people on fire. Maybe we can win wars again if we pursue that...
 
"crank that puppy up to 12, and vapourize everything but the fillings in their teeth"....

I'm sure I'm not pointing out anything that's not already understood, but this WILL be used against American civilians as well, and if President Clinton has her way, it will be against people like US.
 
I think this will be one of those weapons that will instantly stop someone who doesn't know what is happening to them, but a person with knowledge of what is going on would probably just keep what they are doing. The heat sensation is only about 130 degrees.
 
a non-lethal way to get enemies to drop their weapons

More like a non-lethal way to get enemies to shoot at you with actual, lethal weapons to make you stop.
 
One, yes, it can damage the retina.

Two, they're not taking into account crowd panics and trampling deaths as people suddenly feel like they're on fire and the crowd surges to get away.

Three, yes, it WILL be used to quell protests in the United States. In fact, an Air Force general even proposed TESTING it on people here first, by using it here, to prove it was safe to our enemies. (?!)

Thankfully, the effects of it can completely be negated by a beekeeper-suit-like Coverall, Microwave Radiation Protective made for the Navy in the 1970's or so. You can find them on eBay, yet. It's a mesh suit that covers everything, footcovers, gloves, and hood, and was meant for radar technicians who might need to work on live radar equipment, to prevent them from being burned if it was emitting. The mesh works exactly like the grid inside your microwave door.

It's a purchase I highly recommend, as something to have around. The light mesh can be worn under loose outer clothing, the hood under a hooded sweatshirt to be pulled up if need be. It'd ensure you'd not be "herded" with the rest of a crowd, and wouldn't suffer injury.

(as another note, it can also be negated by being under a mylar blanket or other metal or metallized surface...a radar flag from a boating store would be highly effective, thus making the whole damned thing into yet another billion dollar boondoggle that won't work.)
 
Great. So now our troops will have tinfoiled insurgents picking them off.

Probably, yes, if their commanders make them rely on that. I hope that doesn't happen. :( While it's true that any exposed skin would suffer the effects, being under a blanket entirely with foil on the inside would shield someone...

...and in a bit of a surreal life-follows-art of the Metal Gear games, if this is used for a base perimeter instead of mines, someone could literally line a cardboard box with tinfoil, make an eyehole with metal windowscreen, and sneak across under a box.

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Someday maybe they can invent a weapon that actually DOES catch people on fire. Maybe we can win wars again if we pursue that...

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I think this will be one of those weapons that will instantly stop someone who doesn't know what is happening to them, but a person with knowledge of what is going on would probably just keep what they are doing. The heat sensation is only about 130 degrees.

Not according to this: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72134-0.html?tw=wn_index_1


"Say Hello to the Goodbye Weapon
by David Hambling

The crowd is getting ugly. Soldiers roll up in a Hummer. Suddenly, the whole right half of your body is screaming in agony. You feel like you've been dipped in molten lava. You almost faint from shock and pain, but instead you stumble backwards -- and then start running. To your surprise, everyone else is running too. In a few seconds, the street is completely empty.

You've just been hit with a new nonlethal weapon that has been certified for use in Iraq -- even though critics argue there may be unforeseen effects.

According to documents obtained for Wired News under federal sunshine laws, the Air Force's Active Denial System, or ADS, has been certified safe after lengthy tests by military scientists in the lab and in war games.

The ADS shoots a beam of millimeters waves, which are longer in wavelength than x-rays but shorter than microwaves -- 94 GHz (= 3 mm wavelength) compared to 2.45 GHz (= 12 cm wavelength) in a standard microwave oven.

The longer waves are thought to limit the effects of the radiation. If used properly, ADS will produce no lasting adverse affects, the military argues.

Documents acquired for Wired News using the Freedom of Information Act claim that most of the radiation (83 percent) is instantly absorbed by the top layer of the skin, heating it rapidly.

The beam produces what experimenters call the "Goodbye effect," or "prompt and highly motivated escape behavior." In human tests, most subjects reached their pain threshold within 3 seconds, and none of the subjects could endure more than 5 seconds.

"It will repel you," one test subject said. "If hit by the beam, you will move out of it -- reflexively and quickly. You for sure will not be eager to experience it again."

But while subjects may feel like they have sustained serious burns, the documents claim effects are not long-lasting. At most, "some volunteers who tolerate the heat may experience prolonged redness or even small blisters," the Air Force experiments concluded.

The reports describe an elaborate series of investigations involving human subjects.

The volunteers were military personnel: active, reserve or retired, who volunteered for the tests. They were unpaid, but the subjects would "benefit from direct knowledge that an effective nonlethal weapon system could soon be in the inventory," said one report. The tests ranged from simple exposure in the laboratory to elaborate war games involving hundreds of participants.

The military simulated crowd control situations, rescuing helicopter crews in a Black Hawk Down setting and urban assaults. More unusual tests involved alcohol, attack dogs and maze-like obstacle courses.

In more than 10,000 exposures, there were six cases of blistering and one instance of second-degree burns in a laboratory accident, the documents claim.

The ADS was developed in complete secrecy for 10 years at a cost of $40 million. Its existence was revealed in 2001 by news reports, but most details of ADS human testing remain classified. There has been no independent checking of the military's claims.

The ADS technology is ready to deploy, and the Army requested ADS-armed Strykers for Iraq last year. But the military is well aware that any adverse publicity could finish the program, and it does not want to risk distressed victims wailing about evil new weapons on CNN." (more at link)
 
"You know, I have one simple request. And that is to have sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!"

Sorry, couldn't resist.

jm
 
Hang Orville Reddenbacker packets on your chest and have a party at your riot!

Whether it works on test subjects may be different from a large moving mob with knowledge of the gadget.
 
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I don't see this weapon being used against actual violent armed targets.
 
The crowd is getting ugly. Soldiers roll up in a Hummer. Suddenly, the whole right half of your body is screaming in agony. You feel like you've been dipped in molten lava. You almost faint from shock and pain, but instead you stumble backwards -- and then start running. To your surprise, everyone else is running too. In a few seconds, the street is completely empty

This is the United States of America. This country was founded on a right (Boston Tea Party and others). Can you imagine where we would be if the English had this weapon?

Thought so.

Write your congressional reps to express your problem with this tech. They serve at our lesiure... Not the other way around.
 
Apart from causing that terrifying sensation, the technology is supposed to be harmless - a non-lethal way to get enemies to drop their weapons.

Military officials say it could save the lives of innocent civilians and service members in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

The weapon is not expected to go into production until at least 2010, but all branches of the military have expressed interest in it, officials said.

As an aside, is something technically a weapon if it does not inflict any injury?

Sounds to me like this thing is more of a propoganda machine that cannot be ignored and is very convincing.
 
I don't see this weapon being used against actual violent armed targets.
+1. The military has wide variety of more lethal weapons for those targets.

yes, it WILL be used to quell protests in the United States.
I'm sure I'm not pointing out anything that's not already understood, but this WILL be used against American civilians as well, and if President Clinton has her way, it will be against people like US.
Over the last 50 years in the USA, how have mace/CS gas/tear gas been used? How have rubber bullets been used? Fire hoses? Bird shot in riot guns? As I recall, they have been mostly used during:
- Prison riots.
- Anti war and civil rights protests.
- Race riots.

Mostly used appropriately by authorities as required to restore law and order. Sometimes used inappropriately and it is certainly possibly inappropriate use of less lethal force may increase in the future if we do not keep the authorities on a short leash. But I see no reason to assume this should definitely happen.
 
Just make sure you don't have any coins in your pocket, wearing a watch or jewellery, have any fillings in your teeth, a metal rod holding a bone together, a metal zip in your trousers or so on or else you are screwed from it. After all every test required that no metal whatsoever was present to avoid massive heat burns.
 
How long until we can expect thesr to start showing up around the boundaries of our "Free Speech Zones"?

It's scary to think that "Free Speech Zones" are not just rambling theories by kooks, but rather they are the areas that we are "allowed" to exercise our First Amendment Rights in.

We have a government completely willing to piss on the Constitution and al lof our rights, so what makes anyone think that that same orginization wouldn't use a potentially deadly weapon against us in protection of itself and its interests.
 
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