MILSURP guys- what is the current "good deal"? Is there one?

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I had a hate-hate relationship with the M9 during my time in the mil. I would buy an actual property marked one, ONLY because it was a property marked US pistol- but I wouldn't pay stupid $ for one. I am the proud owner of an actual M24, AFAIK, the last/latest property marked US mil weapon released.
 
My first Milsurp was a Krag Jorganson in 30/40 Krag. I paid $125 for it. I had a side-mounted Lyman All-American 4x scope on it. Sold it about 15 years ago for $475. A few months before a bunch of retired LE Sig P7 m9 guns showed up in the states, I picked up a Sig P7 M9 for $500 complete with the factory tritium sights. Shot IDPA competition with it for a few years. Some of the competitors called it "The Nazi Staplegun".
Purchased a royally bubba'd Krag for $150 at a gun show. Other than that, I'm out of the milsurp arena though I wouldn't mind an M1 Carbine (I shot my first deer with one of those)
 
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The WW II era long guns are mostly all gone. For the most part there are no more bunkers of rifles in cosmoline awaiting WW III. The milsurps of old, came about as importers were able to find these around the world.

The best similar deals nowadays are PD trade ins. S&W revolvers can be had in the 2s. .40 cal automatics can be had for slightly more. Beretta 92s are all over the place for $300.
 
I'm not seeing any classic milsurps coming in commercially but I am seeing the occasional "grandpa" gun in the local pawnshops - the inherited milsurps that get traded in for plastic guns or electronic gadgets.

Just keep hitting the local shops, boys!
 
I think the Yugo M48's may be the best thing going now but they are drying up and going up.

As others have pointed out the Golden Age may be gone as militaries went to full auto or select fire shortly after WWII so those are off the table for us (except in special cases I know).
 
It’s a market like anything else, with collectors holding the best of breed for extended periods. If the goal is not collecting but rather shooting and enjoying then the world is your oyster if the timing is right. At present that might mean readying your warchest for a market influx or some unforeseen circumstance that causes current owners to sacrificially part ways.

During the great banic I sold brass, bullets, and rimfire ammo at a reasonable profit due to scarcity while reinvesting in rimfire rifles who’s owners tired of having rifles they could not shoot. Thanks to a return in availability of rimfire ammo I could easily triple my return if inclined, which I am not.

Should your want for milsurps exceed your patience, I read up on Carcanos after one happened my way and many examples were reasonably priced and without bidders. Something to investigate, enough variants to be interesting.
 
The best investments out there right now might be the various surplus parts kits. They by their nature will be limited in numbers and when they're gone...they're gone. Back when the 1919 Israeli Browning parts kits were available for $300'ish I thought that would be a good investment....so I have two upstairs. Have you seen what they're going for now? $1495! http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/1919a4308partsset.aspx Can't believe they sell many at that price...but it's very possible that current relatively inexpensive parts kits could appreciate in the future once they've dried up.
 
Just hang in there, peace talk with North Korea is one month away, all the N.K. SKSs will be coming in, so is Iran, those Garands and M1 carbines we gave them. In the worst case, there must be still WW2 or Cold War age caves they haven't discovered yet.
Really?

Tell you what. If North Korean surplus rifles are sold in the USA in the next 5 years I will buy you one. Not going to happen.
 
I agree with police trade in pistols being the best milsurp deals. Italian Berretas, police Glock and Commie pistols seem the best. There are some M96 Swedes that I have seen reasonably priced(beaters) and I believe an SKS at 300 or 350 is a good deal in todays market.
 
Agreed that the good deals are with the police trade-ins. I saw some crazy deals on 40 cal M&Ps and Glocks when the PDs first started dumping them.

All the WWII surplus has pretty much been sold, and the generation of rifles right after that was all full-auto, so I don't think cheap milsurp is ever coming back.
 
Not a Milsurplus, but I am seeing a lot of police trade in .40 cal handguns on the market for a decent prices.

You hit the nail on the head with this one. There aren't many mil-surp deals deal right now. But the police surplus market had been very good the last 2 - 3 years. I think a lot of the police trade in that are in the sub $350 range now will see much higher prices in the future as departments get away from 40 and the market begins to dry up. I've picked up a nice collection of Sig P229's and HK USP's in 40 over the past few years. Most were in very good condition.
 
If police trade-ins are your thing, I think you should make hay while the sun shines. It is getting politically incorrect for departments to sell their guns, and thus have them end up 'on the street'. So it was with the Honolulu PD and a lot of good 5906 pistols were destroyed. Tax dollars down the drain! I really wonder if the younger generation will take much interest in these old WWII era bolt guns. If not, you may see them made into lamps or even destroyed.
 
I know its not rifles, but you can still get surplus handguns. I had a friend get a berretta 92 for like $250, I had a Israeli Capture Hungarian Hipower copy for like $275, I almost bought a excellent condition Argentine Hipower for like $300
 
If police trade-ins are your thing, I think you should make hay while the sun shines. It is getting politically incorrect for departments to sell their guns, and thus have them end up 'on the street'. So it was with the Honolulu PD and a lot of good 5906 pistols were destroyed. Tax dollars down the drain! I really wonder if the younger generation will take much interest in these old WWII era bolt guns. If not, you may see them made into lamps or even destroyed.

My two nephews who are 10 and 12 went nuts over my mosin nagant. They are not old enough to remember them being sold of the price of a tank of gas.
 
If police trade-ins are your thing, I think you should make hay while the sun shines. It is getting politically incorrect for departments to sell their guns, and thus have them end up 'on the street'. So it was with the Honolulu PD and a lot of good 5906 pistols were destroyed. Tax dollars down the drain! I really wonder if the younger generation will take much interest in these old WWII era bolt guns. If not, you may see them made into lamps or even destroyed.
I guess police trade-in handguns are the new "surplus" deal now. It seems like most of the good deals are the ones most people don't want - 40 calibers, DAO handguns, etc. I remember the S&W revolvers going for $200 and less when the large-scale move to autos was happening. Also, how weird is this- I've never even fired a Tok SVT rifle, but for some reason I want one. And I don't even like commie guns.
 
My two nephews who are 10 and 12 went nuts over my mosin nagant. They are not old enough to remember them being sold of the price of a tank of gas.

Then there is some hope for the hobby for the future. I remember attending a gun show in Medina, Ohio about ten years ago and we were all standing in line waiting for it to open - almost every one was an old futt like me! That was a good day, I think I came home with my Enfield No.2 revolver, which I still have.
 
Then there is some hope for the hobby for the future. I remember attending a gun show in Medina, Ohio about ten years ago and we were all standing in line waiting for it to open - almost every one was an old futt like me! That was a good day, I think I came home with my Enfield No.2 revolver, which I still have.

That’s because all the kids know the deals on AR15 parts and polymer pistols are on the Internet, not at the gun show. Lots of young people are into guns, usually just a different kind of gun.
 
Also, how weird is this- I've never even fired a Tok SVT rifle, but for some reason I want one. And I don't even like commie guns.
They are a fun gun to shoot; not so much to clean. The gas mechanism is a PITA, but you are used to cleaning carbon off M4 bolts, so it's similar to that.
 
All these great prices people are remembering seem to be the distributor prices if my memory serves me well... not the local gun store and gun show prices. I remember Big 5 starting to carry some of the mil surplus rifles but there selection was always the lowest grade weapons even when they had a new batch hit the racks. Did everyone have a C&R license? I just came across my old license the other day when I was looking for the pink slip to the old Ford.

Of all my old C&R firearms my favorite are the Sweeds. I splurged and bought 2 of the 96's. I was going to mail order a 94 carbine but an AG42 Ljungman came along at a gun show and I ended up with it instead. After the Ljungman would be my Garand. The MAS 49/56 sat unfired for 20 years, when I finally came across some French ammo I fell in love with the MAS, it is a really nice shooter. I like the SVT40 for its historical value but its engineering isn't near as elegant as the Ljungman, Garand and MAS. The Egyptian Hakim isn't nearly as nice as its Ljungman brother. I wish I bought more .30 carbine ammo back when... my M1 carbine doesn't get enough range time even with reloading... brass is expensive. But back then they were just crappy old M1 carbines available everywhere for those that didn't want to pony up for a "Real Gun".

FN49, G43, Rasheed and SKS are all ones that I didn't have the cash for at the time and wish I had purchased.

My Mosin Nagant is my least favorite mil surp. I have never really liked my .303 and .308 Enfields that much. My 1917 (P17) Enfield is a much nicer weapon... but my specimen is butchered. The 03-A3 is a solid rifle but is more a historical piece than a great mechanical marvel. The semi-autos are just more fun to shoot and admire than the bolt actions. I should have picked up a Swiss straight pull though... but ammo wasn't easily available.

I don't have a full size C96 but I do own a Russian "Bolo" 96 in 9mm. It is not that great of a shooter. Really bad trigger that is very awkward to pull and the trigger guard is too small for my big hands/fingers. My 455 Webley is a brute with the heaviest double action pull I have ever felt. Some friends have thought my Webley was broken because of the double action pull, other have not been able to shoot it double action. After shooting my Webley I have never been picky about hand gun triggers and laugh about those that complain about triggers on carry guns. The P08 Luger is one of my favorites for its historical value and just it looks, but it isn't that great of shooter. The P38 on the other hand is probably the most natural pointing and shooting handgun I own... but just a single stack with a butt magazine release. The Tokarev is just a kick with the little 7.65 bullet wizzing out of the barrel. The 30 cal Nagant is the most unique / coolest hand gun design with its sealing cylinder. I got screwed on my Nagant, I paid $79 for it two months before they went down to $59. There is no substitute for a 1911... although mine are far from battlefield specimens. It was always very embarrassing to admit I owned a Norinco 1911 piece of junk. There is something special about the battlefield blood, sweat and dirt on a rifle that was once someone’s life line.

The handguns I wished I had picked up is long... Nambu, Lahti, 1927 .45(Brazil?), Markorev, Browning Highpower are the first I can think of off the top of my head.

Back in the 90's my family and friends all thought I was nuts purchasing all my mil surplus... I succumbed a bit to the pressure and slowed my acquisitions. Hind sight is always 20/20... when I was buying them I knew they "Should" go up in value but with all the mil surplus available it was hard to see the end to all the cheap weapons. You would order a $79 Tokarev from Sarco and the 1927 .45 acps would show up in shotgun news then next month. Or order a 96 Sweed for $139 the next month they would be $119.

The worst part is that to reap the increased value of a weapon... you have to sell it... and collectors have a really hard time selling their little slice of history, even if it isn't their favorite shooter.

My bet for the best purchase today would be a Sig MCX that can be found for around $1000 since Virtus came out. The X95 Tavor is a rifle that I think will be import banned some day and sky rocket in price like my HK91 (I think they are made in Isreal... aren't they?). I just don't see shot out .40 cal police trade-ins appreciating much... like the .38 special trade-ins of previous generations. I would guess the Remington semi autos are undervalued currently since they are trying to prove themselves after their gen 1 issues.

I wonder what is going to happen to all the current finished 80% "ghost" guns in 20 years?
 
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I found honestly the best milsurp I ever bought was a star model super B. It was like what the 1911 should of been, which a arched mainspring housing that fit my hand, petter lockup, 9mm chambering so I could afford to shoot it, good sights, and very mild recoil. The only thing was I got small parts breakages and it was a pain to source them so I sold it and got a makarov as I was a broke college student and that was my only handgun and served defensive use.

Honestly I see all these BS 1911s in 9mm, and I really wish someone could take the star model super B design which I think is superior and make it with modern materials and put some novak sights on it that would be sweet.
 
The 'Bolo' '96s were Chinese not Russian as far as I know. The Chinese loved the design.

I have always believed the Bolos were most common in Russia. I had always heard the "Bolo" referred to the Bolsheviks. Where ever they are from mine is an interesting piece of history and a modern marvel in its day but not that great of a shooter compared to a modern firearm. I think they were most effective when converted to "blasters" in a galaxy far far away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser_C96#M1921_"Bolo"_Mauser
M1921 "Bolo" Mauser
Mauser began manufacturing a compliant version of the C96 for commercial sale from 1920 to 1921. It featured smaller grips, a shorter 99-millimetre (3.9 in) barrel,[7] and was chambered for the standard 7.63×25mm Mauser. An experimental 8.15×25.2mm Mauser cartridge was used to replace the banned 9×19mm Parabellum and 9×25mm Mauser Export cartridges for domestic sales but it never supplanted the 9mm caliber.

Mass-production of the weapon was from 1921 to 1930. It was sold in quantity to armies in the contested Baltic region and was carried by the Poles, Lithuanians, German Freikorps and White Russians. The Bolshevik government (and later the new Red Army) of the embryonic Soviet Union, purchased large numbers of this model in the 1920s and also appropriated them from defeated enemies.[19] The distinctive pistol became associated with the Bolsheviks and was thus nicknamed the "Bolo".[19] The "Bolo" model was also popular elsewhere, as the shorter barrel and smaller overall size made the gun easier to conceal.[20]

There was also a transitional version in 1930 that used the "Bolo" frame but with a longer 132-millimetre (5.2 in) barrel.


I think one of the most notable versions of the C96 is a Chinese version:
Shanxi Type 17 (.45 ACP)
During the Warlord era of Chinese history in the early 20th century, the province of Shanxi was ruled by warlord Yen Hsi-shan, who had established a modern arms factory in his capital city of Taiyuan. Yen was equipping his troops with a locally produced copy of the Thompson submachine gun, chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge, but was experiencing supply difficulties as his troops' sidearms were 7.63mm calibre C96 handguns.[24]

Yen's solution was to produce a .45 ACP caliber version of the C96, thus standardizing ammunition and making supply logistics easier.[24]Designated Type 17, production of the .45 caliber handgun began in 1929 at the Taiyuan Arsenal and ended in 1931. They are inscribed (in Chinese) "Type 17" on the left hand side of the gun, and "Republic Year Eighteen, Made in Shansi" on the right hand side.[24] They were issued (along with Thompson SMGs) to railway guards in the province as defense against bandits and other warlords.
 
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Excellent candidate for restoration, provided the barrel hasn't been cut or the receiver drilled for a scope sight. Lots of original new wood is available in the UK, at reasonable prices. There are always listings on ebay. (New buttstocks are far more common than forends, because buttstocks were made in three different lengths and there was always a surplus of them.)
Unfortunately it's been cut, but for a shooter I'm thinking a Criterion barrel might be up my alley...
 
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