Milwaukee school board seeks to shut down military recruiters

[Monkeyleg]

San Francisco isn't the only city to deliver the latest slap in the face to the military.

This evening, the Milwaukee Public School board will be considering a motion to restrict the presence of military recruiters at high schools. The board will also consider "increasing the awareness" for parents about military recruiters by more aggressively informing parents about the presence of recruiters, and by giving parents more "opt-out" literature.

(Interesting that these are pretty much the same people who oppose parental-notification laws regarding abortions).

Anyway, for those with the stomach to read the article, it's here.

 

[Strings]

And this is supprising how, exactly? Heck... I'm supprised it didn't happen sooner!

 

[c_yeager]

There was another thing similar to this happening in Seattle. it wasnt an outrigth ban, but there were some extra controls placed on recruiters (along with some "equal time" B.S. which essentially means that you have to have protesters along with the military).

 

[SIGarmed]

That's just totally disgusting. What can you expect with the socialists they put in charge of schools now a days?

 

[jefnvk]

They have something like that going on at home. Right now, you can opt your kid out, but they are opted out of everything. Colleges, trade schools, scholarship options, as well as the military.

I say that is fair. Either everyone has availability to try and get your kid to come to their place, or no one does.

 

[Old Fuff]

I was under the impression that there was a law that stated that if a school banned military recruiters they could also loose other federal funding.

If not, there should be ...

 

[scout26]

I was under the impression that there was a law that stated that if a school banned military recruiters they could also loose other federal funding.

Yep, the "No Child Left Behind" act.

I have no problem with a school restricting/refusing to let recruiters access to their students, as long as they don't get one damn dime of taxpayer money.

These are probably the same blissninnies that got their panties in a wad about segration in the military, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", Tailhook, Abu Graib, etc.

I served with several people from whom the military gave them a way out a bad situation and a viable future.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Kids aren't smart enough to make up their own minds?

Well, actually, now that I pause a moment to consider the parents...

 

[Lone_Gunman]

If a local government (which should be representative of the voters) choses to not allow military recruiters on their school campuses, thats fine by me.

I don't feel the federal government should have the power to compel a school to do that. Certainly, the power to do this is not found in the Constitution.

Of course, the federal government should not be in the business of funding public schools in the first place. Taking money from the federal government always results in the feds wanting to stick their noses in places it doesn't belong.

However, if the government is going to be involved in funding education, I still don't think its right to compel a school to allow recruiters on campus. After all, the money doesn't belong to the government, it belongs to the citizens.

 

[Pilgrim]

I dragged my grandson to the Army recruiter because the Army was the only reasonable place for him to go to do something decent and worthwhile. The little twerp screwed away his chance for a high school diploma and has absolutely no concept of the real world. He can still get in the Army with a GED, but that is entirely up to him to obtain.

I highly doubt that all of the Milwaukee school district's students are college material. Just where do they expect the non-college material to go?

Pilgrim

 

[jefnvk]

Kids aren't smart enough to make up their own minds?

I have thought about that myself.

If the parents are worried that the kids will make the wrong decision, they probably could have been better parents. However, I have the feeling that the parents are worried that the kids will do something they don't like, something that is agains their ideals.

My parents told my brother he was free to join the military, as soon as he could sign the papers himself. The only problem they have with the idea of the military, is that my brother wants them to sign the papers now, at 16. When he hasn't figured out even which branch he wants to go into.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Kids aren't smart enough to make up their own minds?

The government says they aren't smart enough at 18 to decide if they can drink or own a handgun, so why does anyone think they are smart enough at 18 to decide if they want to join the military?

If you can't own a pistol, why is it ok to be in charge of an M16?

It would seem to me that we should either raise the age that someone can join the military to 21, or lower the age of handgun ownership and liquor sales to 18.

 

[SIGarmed]

The government says they aren't smart enough at 18 to decide if they can drink or own a handgun, so why does anyone think they are smart enough at 18 to decide if they want to join the military?

If you can't own a pistol, why is it ok to be in charge of an M16?

It would seem to me that we should either raise the age that someone can join the military to 21, or lower the age of handgun ownership and liquor sales to 18.

Because that's a crock. Adults should be able to do anything adults do at 18. The do gooders once again think there ought to be a law and viola adults can't drink until they're 21 years of age.

When I was a Marine it was ok to drink at the e-club on base if you were 18 even though the legal age in the state was 21. The base commander had made that decision and it is in fact legal to do on a base. I'm not sure how this would work in most states though. This was at Camp Pendelton California.

Old enough to carry an M16 old enough to drink.

 

[RealGun]

I wonder what they'd think if militia training was mandatory (get personal with guns). I guess their heads would explode.

 

[Souris]

When I was a Marine it was ok to drink at the e-club on base if you were 18 even though the legal age in the state was 21. The base commander had made that decision and it is in fact legal to do on a base. I'm not sure how this would work in most states though. This was at Camp Pendelton California.

When I was in San Dog (FLEASWTRACENPAC, RTC/NTC) We were allowed 3.2 beer and wine at the EM club. I was told that this decision was because Tiajuana was less than 50 miles away. You could get anything that you wanted in TJ relatively legally. (Hell, you could get anything you wanted at Ocean Beach and Mission beach.)
I agree that if you are old enough to assist in the direction of the country by voting, deemed wise enough to handle a car and you are allowed to moke your on decision about serving your country, that you should be considered sage enough to have a beer and a handgun.

So raise the drivers license, voting and military entrance ages to wait for it

21.

 

[longeyes]

The indoctrinators--aka teachers--don't wish to see the kids indoctrinated. Ah, I get it.

These nitwits probably don't think much of the police either.

I suggest removing all protection of law and military from their community. Perhaps when they are overrun by warlords--aka local thugs and bandits--the educators will be educated.

It's time to recognize that the blissninnies are not only suicidal but that they will take the rest of us down with them unless they are called out on such actions.

 

[pwolfman]

Being in Recruiting, I actually run into this quite a bit...

But it boils down to this:

If you don't release a list to the military recruiters, that is fine.

If you release a list to colleges and other organizations but not the military, that is not fine (discrimination towards the military and illegal according to the NCLB act).

I solve this by going to the school and having them sign a statement saying they won't release to the military and tell them it is going to the state school super and the federal government.

Works like a charm and I get my list...


pwolfman

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Where in the Constitution is power given to the federal government to mandate that state schools allow federal recruiters?

Has the NCLB Act you refer to ever been tested in court regarding its Constitutionality?

 

[Illuminaughty]

I suggest removing all protection of law and military from their community. Perhaps when they are overrun by warlords--aka local thugs and bandits--the educators will be educated.

XD No, you don't have to. Local thugs already have a state-wide racket set up, and all you boobs support them wholeheartedly, no matter what rights they strip you of simply because they do SOME good.

Police state indeed.

 

[Monkeyleg]

Lone_Gunman: "Where in the Constitution is power given to the federal government to mandate that state schools allow federal recruiters?"

Nowhere, same as there's no power for the Fed's to mandate seat belt laws or speed limits on the interstate.

But the Fed's have the power to withhold money (the same money that was sent to the Fed's by taxpayers in the state).

I don't like that arrangement but, if it's going to be applied to drivers or motorcycle riders or other folks, it should apply to schools as well.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

I understand where you are coming from Monkeyleg. I just find it interesting that so many people on this board tend to be for small government and libertarian ideals until their personal political views come under scrutiny.

I don't like that arrangement but, if it's going to be applied to drivers or motorcycle riders or other folks, it should apply to schools as well.

If we apply this logic to the Bill of Rights, then we should create more laws limiting free speech, religion, assembly, etc, just because we already have a lot of laws limiting firearms.

 

[Monkeyleg]

You nailed me on that one, Lone_Gunman. I was letting my politics/emotions get in the way of my core beliefs.

Milwaukee is an incredibly liberal city, run by very liberal politicians, and the school board is every bit as liberal. (I use the term "liberal" here in its contemporary sense, not the classical sense).

It's also the six-poorest major city in the country, which is explained in no small part by the above.

Problem is, there's not much I can do about the school board's decision or really anything else that happens in the city. I'm just five doors outside of Milwaukee in a suburb.

Things here are so screwy that one of the Journal Sentinel's columnists, Eugene Kane, actually managed to insert a paragraph of anti-gun diatribe in the middle of a column about high gas prices.

And that, as Walter Cronkite used to say, is the way that it is.

 

[DRZinn]

When I was a Marine it was ok to drink at the e-club on base if you were 18 even though the legal age in the state was 21.

Just a quick update, now every base follows the law of the state it's in. Pretty stupid. NOw rather than cross the street at Horno (aboard Camp Pendleton) to drink at the E-Club, then stagger back to the barracks, young Marines drive down to Tijuana and drive (often drunk) back. That's a vast oversimplification, but the fact is the new rule put young servicemen in more danger.

 

[SIGarmed]

Just a quick update, now every base follows the law of the state it's in. Pretty stupid. NOw rather than cross the street at Horno (aboard Camp Pendleton) to drink at the E-Club, then stagger back to the barracks, young Marines drive down to Tijuana and drive (often drunk) back. That's a vast oversimplification, but the fact is the new rule put young servicemen in more danger.

Yes I remember Horno. It means oven in spanish because that damn place is hot as heck in the summer time.
That was the commanders whole point. Keeping young Marines out of trouble. I'm not surprised at the changes. I guess it was fun for some while it lasted.

 

[Firethorn]

I have to agree with DocZinn. We have a real problem at Minot with the <21 airmen going to Canada every weekend. Some are trying to at least let them drink on base in the clubs so there's little incentive to drive as the dorms are only a few blocks from the enlisted club.

It's a nasty fight between the prohibitionists and the 'damage control' types.