Mini revolver accuracy

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I'm not discussing the lack of power of a .22 or uses as a primary carry. Everyone has their opinion, some seem to think the .22 won't hurt and will bounce off, so be it. I hope I'm never shot with one, though. Mini revolvers have been much dised as not being able to hit at 3 feet, worthless except at contact range, etc. Well, I know this is all BS. I can hit center mass every shot at 15 yards and in off hand. Head size if I concentrated from 15 yards, though I admit it's not fast, requires concentration. At 7 yards and in, though, I can point shoot the things pretty rapidly. Anyone who can't shoot a mini revolver with that much accuracy either can't shoot handguns, haven't spent enough time dialing in the gun with a load it likes (mine's a bit picky), or haven't discovered the available grips which actually let you get your full hand on the gun. These guns are not guns that you can just pick up out of the box and shoot well. You have to get 'em set up and practice with 'em. Mine doesn't even have the black widow type sights which make for faster and more precise sight acquisition and which I will likely get next. That will help with precision AND speed as the tiny sights are a liability on mine.

I own two such guns, one .22LR and one super companion. I've had the .22 for 25 years and it's well dialed in with Federal Lightening. Both my guns have the folding grip on 'em, combine a full size grip with folding concealment. I normally practice with the gun from 3 yards to 15, a lot of weak hand point shooting at short range as I carry this gun on the weak side, my primary in the strong side pocket, or on rare occasion in what passes for "winter" in south Texas, I'll have back up strong side and primary on the hip. If I have to use the little mini, it'll likely be with the weak hand. That's why it's there, gives me a back up option. So, yesterday at the range, after my normal practice started getting boring and after I'd played with my cap and ball guns, I decided to try 25 yard shooting with it. Okay, go ahead and scoff. Off the bench, this little gun will fill a paper plate at that range. We have these 6" falling plates that I shoot at all the time with more accurate guns. Frankly, my P64, much less my Ruger Mk 2, is boriing anymore on these plates. Only time I miss is when I speed things up. The challenge is to shoot fast with those guns, not actually HITTING the target. So, after shooting my '51 Navy and hitting about 1 out of 3 with that gun (it's about 5" accurate off the bench at 25), I don't think I really found the sight picture for consistent hits with that gun, I decided to try the mini on 'em. At 15 yards, I'm hitting 5 for 5! Yes, I have to concentrate. Speed is not an option. :D But, I got a little faster at 15. I then decided to back up to 25 and once I found the sight picture for that range, I was knockin' 'em down about 50 percent, one out of two!

This sort of impressed me and flies in the face of those who say it can't be done. Call me a liar if it makes you feel better, if you feel you're Bob Munden and if it could be done, you could do it. I don't care. I proved it to myself that it CAN be done. Yes, that's right, 50 percent consistent hits on a 6" target at 25 yards with a 1 5/8" barrel .22LR mini revolver. I'm sure the gun could do better than 50 percent with a really good shooter or out of a machine rest, but those sights are tiny and the sight radius is short and that's the best I was able to do, but I feel it's pretty danged good, never-the-less.:D I've read so many posts where posters who had one for five minutes and couldn't hit anything with 'em, swear up and down this can't be done. Just wanted to say, yes it can.

No, I'm not giving up my 9x19, my .38, or my 9x18 for summer carry in favor of a mini revolver, I'm just sayin'...........
 
If Ransom Rest made grip adapters for the NAA revolvers, I bet some folks would be surprised at the results.

The little sights and short sight radius do make it a challenge, but they can shoot quite well.
 
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Add a laser as I did and you'll be amazed. You can easily hit point of aim shooting from the waist.
 
Well, I've considered the little laser, but, problem is, it wouldn't work worth a toot in sunlight an it blocks the use of the sights, such as they are. So, I just figure if I have to use it in low light, I'll likely be in point shooting range being as it'll be last ditch self defense. If I get another mini, the lasers aren't expensive. I might put one on one of 'em.
 
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I'll have to go out and shoot my mini for accuracy. I confess, I've never tried it beyond a a few yards.

But tell me, how do you aim it? There's no rear sight!
 
You can use the firing pin of the hammer to align the front sight for windage. I have mine with the front sight filed such that it protrudes a bit for proper elevation. One has to do that so as to actually SEE the front sight. It does work, though, but still requires lots of concentration and some practice to master it. Yeah, and no flinching.

My super companion takes a WEIRD sight picture. The front sight would be filed completely off if I were going to regulate it, so I just hold at the bottom of the sight and I have to hold to the right a bit, to the right edge of the hammer. It's not as well regulated as my .22, but at 15 yards I make it work pretty well. It actually seems a little more accurate, just the sights aren't regulated and you have to know the sight picture.
 
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It's highly possible to achieve great accuracy from these pistols. The problem rests with it being a small pistol: Tiny grips and short sight radius make it great for concealment, but make a consistent grip and sight pattern more difficult to achieve.
 
NAA has lots of grip options. For my uses, the folding holster grip works great. I can clip it to the top of my shirt when I'm wade fishing to keep it out of the water. I can fold it and stuff it in a pocket, practice unfolding it on the draw, not AS fast as a conventional gun, but isn't hard to master. I can even do it pretty fast with my weak hand which is what I shoot it mostly with anyway as I figure I will probably be shooting it that way if I actually have to use it for something serious as my right hand will either be tied up fighting or wounded. That's the main scenario for which I carry it except for wade fishing. Not much likelihood of needing the thing when I'm fishing, so I don't feel THAT naked without my bigger gun. And, it's either in a dry bag in the kayak or the dry box in the boat. I just have to get back to it.
 

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It isn't the windage, it's the elevation. Even aiming it out my window at ten yards (which I just did), I can move the muzzle up or down two or three feet since there's no rear sight to indicate elevation.

I guess I'll just have to go out and shoot it for myself and figure something out.
 
It isn't the windage, it's the elevation. Even aiming it out my window at ten yards (which I just did), I can move the muzzle up or down two or three feet since there's no rear sight to indicate elevation.

I guess I'll just have to go out and shoot it for myself and figure something out.

For elevation, reference the top of the frame. Use the hammer firing pin to reference for windage. It works, try it. The big thing is getting the ammo that shoots close to POA and/or filing the front sight down as I needed to do, also. Like I said, I left a bit of sight protruding because if you file it down even with the top of the frame, obviously, you can't see it. So, I leave a little protruding and use that for my sight picture. Just line it up over the hammer, let the sight protrude the right amount (know by experience), and bang. I've shot rabbits at 15 yards with the thing, can be done! And, heck, it's fun to shoot. The thing is so small, metal kinda thin, it gets down right hot to the touch when you go through a hundred rounds with it. :D Like I say, my .22 is 25 years old and it shoots as good as the day it was new. And, I shoot it a lot better with the experience.
 
For elevation, reference the top of the frame.

OK, yeah - that seems to work. I won't be filing my sight, but once I know where it shoots with that reference point, I'll just apply some Kentucky windage. It's raining like hell, so I won't be doing it today. That's disappointing because I'm looking forward to trying it!

Thanks!
 
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Before I got the laser,it was pretty much point and shoot. Never found the use of the sights of much value,but at a short distance,I could usually hit what I was aiming at. The laser in bright light is only visible for a few yards,but in low light,or darkness,when you couldn't see the sights anyway,it's very visible at 15 yards or more,not only to you,but to the guy at the other end. Regardless,it adds to the fun.
 
A native friend carved me an oversized set of grips out of scrap walrus ivory. That was a few years ago, and I've never shot it with the larger grips. I suspect it will be less painful!

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I've got a 4.2 inch barrelled version of the NAA "The Earl". Accuracy isn't a big deal but the grip truly is the answer or the problem depending on how you look at it.

I've managed 2 to 2.5 inch groups at 12'ish yards shot duelist style with one hand. But then the next time it's more like 5 to 6 inch if I mess up the hold. So I'd say that it's not the gun itself but how it interfaces with the shooter that can be an issue.
 
I was searching through old threads and found this one on North American Arms Accuracy. I've been shooting the Pug, Black Widow and the 1-5/8 Mini Magnum with both 22 long rifle and 22 magnum rounds. I posted my chronograph results of the Pug here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=539222

I've made some videos of both guns shooting at various targets here:

Pug http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35ldFXYu_oM

Mini Magnum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arcrhi1v2Vc

They're your always carry gun. They'll go where no other gun can go, making it possible for you to be armed at almost all times.
 
I don't care if they are all that accurate... they are plenty cool and I want one. I'm thinking either the mag pug or the black widow.
 
I've got one of the NAA "The Earl". It took me a while to work out the best hold but now I can shoot nice sub 3 inch groups at 12'ish yards pretty consistently. Most are around 2.5 inches but I managed a few at around 1.5 inch. I'd have to call those good luck more than good shooting but for what it is I'm more than happy with the sub 3 inch size groups at 12 yards. And just checking back with the first post this actually fits in with his 5 hits on a 6 inch target at 25 yards.

From this picture you can see why I just could not say "no" to the cute little tyke... :D
 

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