NAA Mini Revolvers are Accurate

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I've read a lot of posts across the web regarding the lack of accuracy from North American Arms revolvers, so I decided to put that theory to the test. I shot five of their magnum framed revolvers at targets using a vice to immobilize the guns. The results are not in favor of those who disparage these guns' accuracy:

http://naaminis.blogspot.com/2010/08/results-naa-mini-mag-accuracy-shootout.html

Well, the results for our little shootout are in, and they are a bit of a surprise. This first post will concentrate solely on the accuracy of the North American Arms magnum-framed revolvers; ballistics tests are next.

A lot of people have made comments about the accuracy, or lack thereof, of NAA revolvers. I wanted to see if these guns are limited in accuracy by their design or by their human operator. After having shot more than 1000 rounds through my guns, I was inclined to lean toward the latter argument. It takes practice with any gun to become proficient enough to hit a target consistently.

For this test I placed my targets, marked with one inch squares, 10 feet from the bench. At the bench, I placed a vise (Thanks for the spell check David E) to hold each gun in the exact position every time. A level was used between each shot to ensure the barrel was perfectly level.

For every gun, I shot five targets with five rounds each for a total of 25 shots from each gun. Once finished, I measured the largest distance between shots in each group. These were added together and divided by five to get an average group size for each gun.

The bullets used for the test were Federal .22 long rifle copper-plated hollow points from a bulk pack. The Black Widow was the only exception. Lacking a long rifle cylinder, I used Winchester Super X .22 magnum rounds for it.

I'll list the guns in sequence from the tightest to the largest group size:

First up is the 1-1/8 inch Mini Magnum. This gun was a surprise. At .8125 inches, It had the smallest groups of all five guns tested. In fact, the average group is smaller than a quarter! Here's a shot of one group:



The Black Widow came in pretty close behind the 1-1/8 inch Mini Magnum. Because it was shooting magnum loads, I don't know how that affected its accuracy, but it still performed well with sub one inch groups. With an average dispersion of .925 inches, the Black Widow is quite the little shooter:



Right in the middle of the pack, the 1-5/8 inch Mini Magnum shot a .9625 inch average group. I've shot this gun more than any of the other mini revolvers, and that grouping is not a surprise in the least. I've been able to hit dominoes from almost 20 feet away pretty consistently with it:


If you are wondering where the Mini Master stacks up, you'll have to wait a bit. That's because the Pug is next in line. With an average .9875 inch grouping, the pug is very close in performance to both the Black Widow and the 1-5/8 inch Mini Magnum. That's incredible when you consider it only has a one inch barrel!


The Mini Master surprised me most of all. With its four-inch barrel, I expected it to outperform all of the other guns. Obviously, that is not the case. In fact, with a 1.45 inch average group size, the Mini Master lagged pretty far behind the other guns, but my theory is that I'll need to try different types of ammunition with this gun. Because of its longer barrel, the harmonics of each ammunition type come into play, and it's quite possible I'll find a bullet that comes out of that gun tack straight every time.



Overall, I think this test proves that these guns are tack drivers at close range. Even the Mini Master has the ability to hit all five shots into an eyeball-sized target if handled correctly. I'd make a wager that anyone performing this test on any of the NAA mini revolvers would find similar results.

Because of their small size, mini revolvers do present some challenges to people use to larger guns, but those challenges are easily overcome once the nuances of the guns are learned. With a short sight radius, or distance between the front and rear sights, it's much easier to mess up their aim. Just don't go blaming the gun the next time you miss that pie tin!

The next time you are in a forum and someone mentions the terrible accuracy of these guns, just point them here. You can't dispute the facts!
 
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I have a Pug too, and I consider it to be quite accurate to around 7 yards offhand. I was frankly surprised how accurate it was, even with my first five shots right out of the box. I think the grip on the Pug makes for a very shootable pocket gun with low recoil considering its tiny size. NAA makes good revolvers - they shoot well and the fit and finish are quite good, too.

Thanks for the writeup, but nobody had to convince me after I got one and took it to the range.
 
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It's more that they're harder to aim that that they're mechanically inaccurate.
But I find that true with most guns, tbh. I'd wager that pretty much all production guns ... short of some very specific models are actually more accurate than 90%+ of the shooters.
 
firearm accuracy...

I've got to admit that for the most part, the +/- accuracy of most guns I've fired was ME and not the gun.

Reason being that after having become familiar with a particular firearm I come to learn the pecularities of that specific firearm. And once I adjust and modify my behavior, which may have been the cause in the first place, then it jits where I aim.

So granted I'll concede that there are some simply put inacurate firerams out there. But for the most part I am the weak link when it comes to hitting what I aim at. Not proud of that just being honest.
 
There is "intrinsic" accuracy and there is "practical" accuracy.

The first is what the gun can do, the second is what the shooter can do with the gun.

Let's take a sightless Colt Python and put it in a vise (note proper spelling) and shoot a 50 yd group with it. Let's say we get a 2" group.

Now, let's take it out of the vise and see what we can do with it. I can guarantee it won't shoot anywhere close to a 2" group.

So, even though it's the same gun shooting the same ammo at the same distance, the practical accuracy was nowhere near the intrinsic accuracy.

One needs to understand the difference.
 
I can routinely knock 2 or 3 of five 6" plates down at 25 yards, that's right, 25 yards, offhand with my 1 5/8" barrel .22LR. I now have a 2" Black Widow mini magnum with real sights. I am bowed up with work right now and the rain has produced a bumper crop of skeeters at the range I'm waiting to thin, but in an indoor range i got great results off hand with the little gun and it shoots to POA without adjustment. I'm sorta glad I got it instead of a mini master after reading THIS thread! :D I'm going to bench it for accuracy at the range, hard to do in that indoor range and it was so friggin' dark in there I couldn't see the sights on the black bull background. I've already started carrying it with CCI maxi mag 40 grain JHP, though. It's accurate AND reliable. The Winchester stuff seems to be pretty poorly primed. I was getting misfires with it with good dents in the rim. The CCI stuff is 100 percent.

I carry my .22 NAA as a BUG weak side daily. It's tempting to carry the magnum, but I rotate rimfire ammo due to pocket sweat contamination and magnum ammo is a might more expensive. My primary is usually a 9x19 and the .22 comes in handy for shooting vermin occasionally. That magnum is LOUD!
 
I made it to the range Saturday to shoot my new to me NAA Black Widow for groups. There was some Rob Leatham wannabe out there hogging range time, but I managed to shoot some groups. I shot Hornady's +V 30 grain spire points, too many misfires. CCI seems to be about the only brand that fires 100 percent in the gun. Good thing is the 40 grain maxi mag shoots about the best. I was off paper at 25 with the Hornady stuff. CCI shoots dead on at 25. My best 5 shot group was 2.5" center to center at that range and my worst was 5", a group where one shot kept it from being a 3" group.

Needless to say, I'm pretty impressed with that. My little 1 5/8" .22 and my super companion shoot around 8" and can hit inside a paper plate at 25 easy enough, but the groups I'm getting with the Black Widow compared to larger snubbies! Heck, though, the sight radius isn't that much shorter than a 2" J frame what with the 2" barrel and the millett sights are FAR easier to use than the little NAAs.

The gun pleases me with it's accuracy and the caliber isn't that far behind a .32ACP and a significant step up from .22LR...neither of which is saying much, but for a gun this tiny and with decent accuracy, it has a place in my carry battery. I've been impressed with the accuracy of the smaller guns considering their diminutive size, but the Black Widow seems to be a step up. The sight picture over those Milletts is REALLY an improvement.
 
Can you tell approximately what the trigger pull on one of these guns might be? I have been thinking of purchasing one I like 22 mag for back up SD.
 
Dang! I may have to get me one of those. Can someone please let me know which vise is best for pocket carry?
 
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