Minnesota gun laws

[ReadyontheRight]

What I mean is that from what has been described, this tactic of building a school within X amount of distance from a gun store and then shutting down the gun store under the veil of a stupid statute seems like a bully tactic. What would stop a state from over time eventually making it legally impossible to have a gun store anywhere by just building a zillion schools and saying, "Hey, look we have an awesome education system here.... oh and by the way, you gun store owners, you have 30 days to close shop."

Watch out for a national version of this tactic over the next few years.

Great info above. I live in Minneapolis and I will just add that without a carry permit, the process to get a permit to purchase a handgun or "assault weapon" in Minneapolis requires that you go downtown to the Hennepin County Government Center, fill out a form, pay a fee and wait 30 days for a card good for one year.

http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/police/about/gun-permits.asp

Gun Permits
Permits to Carry Handguns
The Minnesota Personal Protection Act took effect May 28, 2003, and the City of Minneapolis no longer issues permits to carry handguns. The Hennepin County Sheriff's Office is now responsible for issuing all permits to carry to residents of Hennepin County. More information on the Minnesota Personal Protection Act (Conceal and Carry) may be obtained at the following Hennepin County and State of Minnesota websites:

Hennepin County Sheriff

State of Minnesota

Permits to Purchase Handguns:
Applicants for permits to purchase handguns must apply in person to the police department in the city in which they live and present a valid Minnesota driver's license or identification card with their current address. If there is no police department, they must apply to the sheriff's office in the county in which they reside. Minneapolis residents may apply for a permit to purchase (not carry) in Minneapolis City Hall, 350 South 5th Street, Room 1-A, Minneapolis, MN 55415. Public service hours are 8:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m., Monday through Friday.

Application forms may be obtained by following this link to the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension Form (PDF).

Purchase:
Complete application. All areas of application must be filled in completely. Falsified applications will be reviewed for possible criminal prosecution.
You must be 18 years old to acquire or possess a handgun or military-style assault weapon. Federal law requires you to be 21 years old to acquire handguns from licensed dealers.
You must not have been convicted of a crime of violence. Definitions of crimes of violence can be found in MN Statue 624.712 subdivision 5. This portion does not apply if 10 years has lapsed since your sentence has expired.
You must not have been convicted of 5th degree assault as defined in MN Statue 609.224 subdivision 3, paragraph (b).
You must not have been convicted of domestic assault as defined in MN Statue 609.2242.
You must not have been court ordered committed to a treatment facility. This portion does not apply if documentation can be provided that you have completed treatment. (Peace Officer must be provide information pertaining to informal treatment programs attended).
You must not have been convicted of unlawful use, possession or sale of a controlled substance.
You must not have been convicted of a felony unless 10 years has lapsed since completion of your sentence.
You must not be a fugitive. Any type of warrant (petty parking) classifies you as a fugitive.
You must not be a user of a controlled substance. Controlled substances are defined in MN Statue 152.
You must be a US Citizen or Legal Alien.
You must not have been dishonorably discharged from the armed forces.
You must not be the subject of a restraining order.

Permit Background Check Inquiry
For additional information regarding permits to purchase, call the License Investigation Unit at (612) 673-3002 or e-mail us at [email protected].

Overall, Minnesota is a fairly gun-friendly place.

Unfortunately, it's also a fairly criminal-friendly place. We attract quite a few folks who are willing to cheat our well-meaning welfare system. $10M of which is spent out-of -state.

IMHO - Crime has gotten worse in downtown and uptown Minneapolis over the past few years, but has been pretty well covered up by politicians more interested in imposing new laws on the law-abiding (for example, it is now illegal to idle your car for more than 3 minutes in Minneapolis and the city council recently lost a multi-year battle where they tried to stop a High School from building a football field on their own property) than cracking down on violent crime.

The loony left in my neighborhood confuse these crimes with gun ownership.

Minnesota DOES have a lot of gun-loving conservatives in the suburbs, a bunch of gun-loving communists on the Iron Range (yes, there really is a strong communist party up there) and a surprising number of middle-of-the-road gun-interested folks here in the middle of Liberal Lakes (the southwest side of Minnespolis).

Hope this helps!

 

[JImbothefiveth]

If you're thinking about moving there, you should probably reconsider. This was the only state to vote go blue in 1984, along with Washington D.C.. This probably means it's a high-crime state as well.

 

[thebaldguy]

I remember the "guns in the trunk only to/from hunting/range" from my MN DNR Hunting safety class 30+ years ago. They were to also be unloaded and cased, ammo stored separately from the firearm. Magazines were to be empty as well. Maybe it's changed.

Is it ignored? I'm sure it is. Note that in some parts of Minneapolis/St. Paul it's not a good idea to keep ANYTHING of value in your car.

I did recently read that Minneapolis is now one of the top 20 most dangerous cities in the US.

Our gun laws are really pretty reasonable compared to other Democrat voting states. Our neighbors to the east in Wisconsin still don't have CCW like Minnesota.

 

[pkoch62]

If you're thinking about moving there, you should probably reconsider. This was the only state to vote go blue in 1984, along with Washington D.C.. This probably means it's a high-crime state as well.

MN crime rates:
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/mncrime.htm
Washington DC crime rates:
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/dccrime.htm

I have no hard numbers to back this up, but even in Minneapolis I see three or four pro-gun/pro-carry bumper stickers for every one anti sticker. Yes, there are some here, but they thin out dramatically once you leave the Metro area.

 

[USAFNoDAk]

There is no fee in Ramsey county to get a permit to purchase. I thought the state law made this a "freebie". Maybe Hennepin County is breaking state law by charging a fee.

Also, I'm not sure if anyone mentioned it, but you don't need a permit to purchase a handgun or "military look alike semi automatic rifle". You can still purchase, but then you have to wait while the local law enforcement runs a background check on you which could take up to 10 days. Once they OK you, you can then go back to the dealer and complete the purchase. You would need to do that each and everytime you wanted to purchase a handgun or "MLASAR".

If you get a permit to purchase, you can use that for 1 year and then all you have to do is the NICS check at the dealer. If you pass that, you get the gun and carry it with you to your vehicle.

For long guns there is no permit to purchase or waiting period. You pass NICS, you're good to go.

Minnesota is the land of 10,000 looney liberals, but the gun laws aren't prohibitive. You can carry a handgun in the fields, woods, or on the waters of the state for purposes of hunting or target shooting. However, some of the public lands open for hunting ban "misc. target shooting". Otherwise, people would turn them into gun ranges, I suppose. I have carried openly without a permit while picking blueberries in some state forests up north. Bears can be an issue you know. That is pefectly legal. My dad has hunted squirrels while openly carrying a .22 pistol and no carry permit. That too is legal.

 

[USAFNoDAk]

By the way, the Brady Bunch ranked Minnesota as tied for 23rd best with respect to restrictive gun laws. We earned 11 points. California was number one with 79 points. North Dakota only got 4 points. Like Golf, it's good to get a very low score when you're dealing with the Brady Bunch of whackos.

 

[jfh]

USAFNoDak: You are correct about there being no required fee for the FID--but the issuing agency may charge up to $100.00 for the CHL.

As you might imagine, Hennepin charges that--and I believe Ramsey does, too. Others--Otter Tail, or Fergus Falls, come to mind--do not apparently charge that amount.

(edited to correct statement; see below)

Jim H.

 

[PocketProtector642]

USAFNoDak: You are correct about there being no required fee--but the issuing agency may charge up to $100.00.

As you might imagine, Hennepin charges that--and I believe Ramsey does, too. Others--Otter Tail, or Fergus Falls, come to mind--do not apparently charge that amount.

Jim H.

I think you are getting permit to purchase and permit to carry confused.
Purchase = $0
Carry = max $100

 

[USAFNoDAk]

jfh posted:

USAFNoDak: You are correct about there being no required fee for the FID--but the issuing agency may charge up to $100.00 for the CHL.

As PocketProtector642 posted, the CHL permit can cost up to $100.00 but the Permit to Purchase is a freebie. Ramsey County doesn't charge for the PtoP but does charge $100.00 for the MPPA permit to carry. In addition, our liberal Ramsey Cnty sheriff issues a letter of protest with each MPPA permit, saying he is signing the permit under protest. I wish we'd get rid of him for just that issue alone. He is supposed to protect our freedoms, not protest them.

 

[Dokkalfar]

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What I mean is that from what has been described, this tactic of building a school within X amount of distance from a gun store and then shutting down the gun store under the veil of a stupid statute seems like a bully tactic. What would stop a state from over time eventually making it legally impossible to have a gun store anywhere by just building a zillion schools and saying, "Hey, look we have an awesome education system here.... oh and by the way, you gun store owners, you have 30 days to close shop."

Watch out for a national version of this tactic over the next few years.

Something like that happened to our city here in texas... there's a 'tri-city' police training center near my house, and they built a firing range as part of the center. Well, someone else set aside the land for a elementary school (after the range was under construction) within 1000 yards (or whatever the restriction is) of the range, then tried to get them to shut down the range so they could build the school. not sure what happened, but the range is still there and i havent seen the school getting built

 

[theyre_all_bedpartners]

Coyote creek gun shop in rochester, mn

Just thought people should know...

Traded a 30.06 Ruger for a Hi Point 995 carbine with a VA-FFL dealer, on GunBroker.com and called them (Coyote Creek) about doing the transfer. Told them it was a 995 and they said " $25 for transfer fee & no permit to purchase needed."

When the gun arrived, they said I couldn't have it without a permit to purchase!!!

They started out saying it was "because it has a pistol grip stock." When I striaghtened them out on that, they said "because of the clip." 10 round, not staggered, not hi-capacity. Nope, that's still not it!
THEN they said it was "because it's black." I said "Oh, so if it was camo color finished then I could have it, huh?", " Oh, well... no," came the reply on the phone. They insisted that there must be "some reason" I can't get the PTP. I told them that it's unconstitutional to force someone to obtain a permit that the law clearly states they DO NOT NEEDED!
BUT, when I threatened to call the ATF & tell them that they were ILLEGALY holding my firearm, things began to change. They want me to "let them call ATF", they said.

At this point, they had already had my carbine for six days.

I doubt they even called... Imagine how embarrasing it would be!!! Maybe they have something to hide from the ATF, who knows. I know my background check came up clean.

Less than 24 hours later, they called my house and said I could come & get it!

Now, I'll give all of the buisness I can to anyone around here, but not them!

If a dealer doesn't know what they can or cannot sell, they have NO BUISNESS in the firearms buisness!!!

After telling several people about this, I've been informed that they have been doing these kinds of things to a good number of other folks in the area, too!

People need to know what Coyote Creek is doing, so it doesn't happen to them.

Know your rights! Know the laws! Stand strong with The Constitution.

Never stop pointing out the tyrannists!

 

[JWHardin]

Great many bad laws in the California of the Midwest

Here are a few off the top of my head:
Trigger activators like the HellFire gimmick are classified by themselves as illegal machinguns under State code
A couple years back the State redifined the term Firearm to include basically anything that expells a projectile by any means unless that projectile is shot of .17 or smaller propelled by air. While these measures were taken allegedly to prevent prohibited persons from possessing arms their application by the courts has been to say the least, interesting. A year or two back the States Bureau of Criminal Apprehension staged an undercover operation in one of our northernmost communities, Warroad where they brought in a CRI, {confidential reliable informant} who had priors for narcotics and child molestation. Said felon was set up in a vacant store front in the community as a "Pawn Shop" encouraging locals to sell him firearms and drugs. After a bit over a year the Cops grandstanded a huge number of busts, a few legit, the rest ended up being dismissed. Among those charged were a number of young adults who brought in their old BB guns who were later charged with the "crime" of "Brandishing Firearms" as they had the temerity to dare bring an uncased Red Ryder into the fake Pawn Shop. Around the same time police in Crookston leveled firearms charges against a local kid after he shot some girl with a paintball pistol. Those charges were later disposed of in a post conviction appeal to the States high court where it was found that a paintball gun simply didnt have the characteristics to qualify as a weapon.
Yes Minnesota does have shall issue CCW now but little good it does as the State lacks any form of Castle Doctrine, muchless clearly defined self defense exemptions. Some time back a man was sent to prison for shooting a burgler with a Compound Bow. The general attitude thruout Minnesota courts is that even in your own home you are expected to flee from harm. Only if you are unable to flee and have a reasonable expectation of mortal danger are you allowed to defend yourself, muchless with deadly force. This doctrine too is enforced willy nilly. I know a woman who shot down her ex boyfriend dead after he kicked in her door and chased her to her bedroom. Blew him nearly in half with several shots from her Remington 740 .30-06 at about 10'. Local Sheriff and DA agreed he had it coming, no charges filed. Were that to have happened in other counties tho she likely would have been charged and done time. Something to remember is that under State code any act whereby a life is lost is at the very least manslaughter. Pleanty of people have been charged with hunting accidents in this State. Man was convicted in Bemidji not many years ago when he returned fire after he confronted one of his 14 year old daughters rapists. Several hung juries but in the end "justice" was done. Many years ago I was arrested in the Twin Cities after disarming a young Black mugger and turning his knife on him. The only thing that saved me was when they discovered my "victim" was being sought on multiple rape and robbery charges. If not for the dirtbags history I would have been toast in this State.
NFA is limited. NO suppressors period, not even for police. MGs must be on the C&R list.
I can go on and on with regards to Minnesotas idiotic laws made deliberatly vague. For example there is this conversion kit nonsence that has led some parts kit vendors to refuse to ship to addresses in state.
We DO have an AW act which couples certain models in with handguns. Do understand that in this State you technically MUST have some form of permit to possess either a handgun or regulated AW. This isnt really enforced, know of one conviction that occurred in Bemidji over a college kid that was busted with a cased and unloaded TEK22 under the front seat of his car in a routine traffic stop. While he was 22 years of age the gun itself was a gift from his brother and he lacked permit. Family tried to fight it, he lost and did 90 days in the Beltramie county lock up.
Overall Minnesota is a great state but gunwise its certainly not North Dakota or Montana.