Missouri Bullets 147 grain coated FP

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Acquired 500 of these for load workup in my sub-compact 9's. One of the top performers for heavier 9mm bullets is CFE Pistol, which I have a pound of.

Particularly interested in developing a load that has the potential to offer a high degree of penetration for 9mm.

Anyone carry 147 grain bullets for SD? Any favorite loads or anecdotal info?

Thanks.

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I ran these over Hs-6. Mine were above super sonic threshold through Argentine FM90 and SW SDVE-9 service pistols. Accuracy was excellent, penetration was deep on miscellaneous hard targets around the cabin. Chunks of wood, random metal and such.
 
So I have my initial load set up for the 147 using CFE Pistol and if the range gods are favorable, will get some chrono data Monday morning. I also have a load worked up with CFE Pistol and a 124 grain Hornady XTP. Looking to see what these will do from the 3.1" barrel of my P365.
 
I worked up to 4.0 gr. of CFE-P with a 1.060" OAL in those bullets. Ended up with an average of 974 fps in a 4" barrel, and an average of 911 fps in a 3.1" barrel. I might have been able to go higher, but felt that was a good load to stay at.
If I get any more of the 147 gr. coated, I would like to try them with WST. :)
 
I worked up to 4.0 gr. of CFE-P with a 1.060" OAL in those bullets. Ended up with an average of 974 fps in a 4" barrel, and an average of 911 fps in a 3.1" barrel. I might have been able to go higher, but felt that was a good load to stay at.
If I get any more of the 147 gr. coated, I would like to try them with WST. :)

4 grains was exactly the charge I had in mind to test. If I can get them chrono'd I'll post back the velocities I get out of my 3.1" barrel. Great to hear you had no issues with that load combo.
 
Missouri Bullet Company makes some of the best cast bullets on the market. The Hi-Tek coated ones, like those in your picture, are harder than my X-wife’s heart. Not so sure I would carry those in my pistol for self defense. That’s basically ball ammo. Google the FBI report from 2014 on caliber and bullet effectiveness. This report, based on the FBI’s interviews with coroners across the country on the autopsies on people killed in actual shootings, reached some very interesting conclusions. The bottom line from 9MM on up was that caliber made little difference and that they saw little difference in the damage caused to the human body IF modern, high performance ammunition was used. This likely had a good bit to do with the FBI, and other law enforcement agencies, going back to 9MM. Bear in mind that law enforcement agencies select ammunition based on a much different set of criteria than others do. They are forced to consider the application of their ammunition on a number of barriers that an officer might encounter, not the least of which is tempered automotive safety glass. Don’t know about you, but I don’t anticipate having to shoot through too many windshields. In 9MM I carry either the 124 grain Speer Gold Dot Hollow Point or the SIG 124 grain V-Crown.

Based on several legal opinions I’ve read, I do not carry anything but factory ammo in my CCW weapons. While there is nothing illegal per se in carrying reloaded ammo in your CCW, the problem is that they may not be able to reliably establish all of the forensic evidence following a shooting when “non-standard”...”reloaded” ammo has been used. With factory ammo, the company can be deposed and would be able to testify as to the relatively small variances in their ammo, thus making things like distance between shooter and target much more reliable to estimate. Shoot someone much further away than “bad breath” distances and it may get incrementally more difficult to prove, to a jury’s satisfaction, that you had good reason to believe your life was in jeopardy.

What bothers me almost as much as the prospect of being charged criminally in a self-defense shooting is the civil liability that could attach, even if I’m not charged criminally. The burden of proof in a civil suit, alleging wrongful death, is much less than “beyond a reasonable doubt” that applies in a criminal case. All that is necessary for the plaintiff to show is that, by the “preponderance of the evidence”, what they allege was likely the case. Just ask OJ Simpson how that worked out for him. Even if you win such a case, the legal costs of defending yourself would likely hit $100,000 at a minimum. The specialized insurance that is out there to cover such an event won’t even come close to providing you with that level of coverage. So, got a spare 100k lying around to spend on something like this? I pray to God that I never have to use deadly force against someone else. If I do, I want to eliminate as many variables as I can. Reloaded ammo in my CCW? No thank you!
 
Missouri Bullet Company makes some of the best cast bullets on the market. The Hi-Tek coated ones, like those in your picture, are harder than my X-wife’s heart. Not so sure I would carry those in my pistol for self defense. That’s basically ball ammo. Google the FBI report from 2014 on caliber and bullet effectiveness. This report, based on the FBI’s interviews with coroners across the country on the autopsies on people killed in actual shootings, reached some very interesting conclusions. The bottom line from 9MM on up was that caliber made little difference and that they saw little difference in the damage caused to the human body IF modern, high performance ammunition was used. This likely had a good bit to do with the FBI, and other law enforcement agencies, going back to 9MM. Bear in mind that law enforcement agencies select ammunition based on a much different set of criteria than others do. They are forced to consider the application of their ammunition on a number of barriers that an officer might encounter, not the least of which is tempered automotive safety glass. Don’t know about you, but I don’t anticipate having to shoot through too many windshields. In 9MM I carry either the 124 grain Speer Gold Dot Hollow Point or the SIG 124 grain V-Crown.

Based on several legal opinions I’ve read, I do not carry anything but factory ammo in my CCW weapons. While there is nothing illegal per se in carrying reloaded ammo in your CCW, the problem is that they may not be able to reliably establish all of the forensic evidence following a shooting when “non-standard”...”reloaded” ammo has been used. With factory ammo, the company can be deposed and would be able to testify as to the relatively small variances in their ammo, thus making things like distance between shooter and target much more reliable to estimate. Shoot someone much further away than “bad breath” distances and it may get incrementally more difficult to prove, to a jury’s satisfaction, that you had good reason to believe your life was in jeopardy.

What bothers me almost as much as the prospect of being charged criminally in a self-defense shooting is the civil liability that could attach, even if I’m not charged criminally. The burden of proof in a civil suit, alleging wrongful death, is much less than “beyond a reasonable doubt” that applies in a criminal case. All that is necessary for the plaintiff to show is that, by the “preponderance of the evidence”, what they allege was likely the case. Just ask OJ Simpson how that worked out for him. Even if you win such a case, the legal costs of defending yourself would likely hit $100,000 at a minimum. The specialized insurance that is out there to cover such an event won’t even come close to providing you with that level of coverage. So, got a spare 100k lying around to spend on something like this? I pray to God that I never have to use deadly force against someone else. If I do, I want to eliminate as many variables as I can. Reloaded ammo in my CCW? No thank you!

All very valid concerns. With each passing year the world we live in is getting more hostile to the values that the nation was founded on.
 
Just got back from the range and tested the 147 grain Missouri Bullets coated FP over 4.0 grains CFE-Pistol

Pistol: Sig P365 (3.1" bbl)
Brass: new Starline
Primer: Remington SP
Taper crimped in RCBS TC die
COL: 1.145"; this COL drop tested good in both my Sig P365 and SW 9 Shield
Competition Electronics chronograph at 10 feet

921,930,881,911,882,900
Avg: 904 fps

No problems with feeding or ejection. A good, solid, easy to manage range or stomping around in the woods load. Easy to keep in the black off-hand at 15 yards.
 
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