Mmm.. Glock 19 again.
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OK... realized today when putting on my G19 that forgot to follow up on this thread!
The "root cause" of the brass to face for my gun was tracked to two old (as in 15 year old) magazines with weak springs and the 'extension' plate installed (not a +2 extender, but the non-extension plate that has the downward curved piece in front for extra grip). Must have changed the tension/timing just enough to cause the geometry to peg me.
Over the last couple months I have been using only a new set of mags (8 new ones) and haven't had a single brass to face issue with four different types of ammo, over 1,000 rounds fired.
So... simple fix. Going to rehabilitate the old mags with fresh springs this winter and call this chapter in my life done.
The "root cause" of the brass to face for my gun was tracked to two old (as in 15 year old) magazines with weak springs and the 'extension' plate installed (not a +2 extender, but the non-extension plate that has the downward curved piece in front for extra grip). Must have changed the tension/timing just enough to cause the geometry to peg me.
Over the last couple months I have been using only a new set of mags (8 new ones) and haven't had a single brass to face issue with four different types of ammo, over 1,000 rounds fired.
So... simple fix. Going to rehabilitate the old mags with fresh springs this winter and call this chapter in my life done.
Hometeached1
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Thank you! I've been on the edge of my seat for months!
In all seriousness though thanks for updating the thread. There are some very interesting threads on this and other forums that I'd love to know how it worked out.
In all seriousness though thanks for updating the thread. There are some very interesting threads on this and other forums that I'd love to know how it worked out.
I doubt you have a Gen1 19. There were a few made for a police order. I hear people all the time saying they have a Gen1 this or a Gen1 that. Unless the front strap and backstrap on your 19 are smooth, it's not a Gen1.
beamon
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Exactly! Thanks, Trent, for the follow up. Nothing worse than reading a thread, getting wrapped up in it, only to be hung out like a leaf in the wind.Thank you! I've been on the edge of my seat for months!
In all seriousness though thanks for updating the thread. There are some very interesting threads on this and other forums that I'd love to know how it worked out.
Enjoy that 19 now that you've stopped "limp wristing" it.
JC676
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"I doubt you have a Gen1 19. There were a few made for a police order. I hear people all the time saying they have a Gen1 this or a Gen1 that. Unless the front strap and backstrap on your 19 are smooth, it's not a Gen1."
Hexhead,
That is interesting info! I've had my 19 for 20 years now and always "assumed" it was a Gen 1 because, well, it's so old and it was made in Austria and when the mag release is depressed the magazine will not drop free. It drops roughly an inch then stops and it has to be manually removed. This is something that I heard was required by the Austrian military as they wanted tactical reloads but wanted the shooters to maintain possession of the mags they just replaced.
My 19 does indeed have checkering on the front and backstraps, so does that mean I have a Gen 2, or maybe a gun produced prior to labeling all the Glock's by generation?
Thanks for any further info you can provide on this subject. I find stuff like this to be fascinating.
Regards,
Jon
"I doubt you have a Gen1 19. There were a few made for a police order. I hear people all the time saying they have a Gen1 this or a Gen1 that. Unless the front strap and backstrap on your 19 are smooth, it's not a Gen1."
Hexhead,
That is interesting info! I've had my 19 for 20 years now and always "assumed" it was a Gen 1 because, well, it's so old and it was made in Austria and when the mag release is depressed the magazine will not drop free. It drops roughly an inch then stops and it has to be manually removed. This is something that I heard was required by the Austrian military as they wanted tactical reloads but wanted the shooters to maintain possession of the mags they just replaced.
My 19 does indeed have checkering on the front and backstraps, so does that mean I have a Gen 2, or maybe a gun produced prior to labeling all the Glock's by generation?
Thanks for any further info you can provide on this subject. I find stuff like this to be fascinating.
Regards,
Jon
It's at least a Gen 2. My first two Glocks were purchased new 23-24 years ago and are both Gen 2 pistols.
All Glocks were made in Austria up until just a couple of years ago when Glock started production in the U.S. There are Gen 4 Glocks out there that were made in Austria.
The magazine is the determining factor in the Glock pistols as far as whether it drops free or sticks after dropping out slightly. The old mags with the U shaped notch at the upper rear of the magazine were considered non-drop-free even though some of them would drop free even when loaded. The mags with the square shaped notches are considered to be drop-free even though a very few of them won't drop free when fully loaded.
The Gen 1 guns are not very common, and the Gen 1 G19s are very rare--I've never even seen a picture of one that I can recall. Here's what a Gen 1 Glock 17 looks like. Notice the texture on the grip and the lack of checkering on the front/back straps.
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7449/glock173gr.jpg
JC676
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JohnK,
Thanks for the interesting info on my G19. I guess I have a Gen 2, and that's OK as it has proven to be the most accurate 9mm I've personally laid hands on! Sure appreciate you taking the time to respond to my question.
Many Thanks,
Jon
Thanks for the interesting info on my G19. I guess I have a Gen 2, and that's OK as it has proven to be the most accurate 9mm I've personally laid hands on! Sure appreciate you taking the time to respond to my question.
Many Thanks,
Jon
Sure, that's what these forums are supposed to be all about.
Here's a thread with some information on when the various generations became available. It's a little hard to sort through, but there's some interesting info in there.
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1445829
Looks like the G19s were introduced in 1988 and the Gen 2 guns began about the same time. So there may have been a few G19 Gen 1 guns, but not many. In one place on that thread you can find a person who claims his G19 was one of the first 350 G19s into the U.S. and that the frame appears to be a Gen 2 frame.
You can compare your serial number to the information in that thread to get an idea of when your pistol was manufactured.
Here's a thread with some information on when the various generations became available. It's a little hard to sort through, but there's some interesting info in there.
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1445829
Looks like the G19s were introduced in 1988 and the Gen 2 guns began about the same time. So there may have been a few G19 Gen 1 guns, but not many. In one place on that thread you can find a person who claims his G19 was one of the first 350 G19s into the U.S. and that the frame appears to be a Gen 2 frame.
You can compare your serial number to the information in that thread to get an idea of when your pistol was manufactured.
OK I found an original picture from 2001 with the gun in it.
It's not a Gen1, it's a Gen2.
And at least two of those magazines are the ones I was having problems with!!
Edit to add; I'm *much* happier with the Gen4 now that it's behaving properly. Lots of rounds through the Gen4 this year and it quickly has become my favorite. (Can't tell any difference between my split times on it and the CZ75 now but admittedly I haven't been shooting the CZ75 nearly as often.)
I'm also glad to see this follow-up and that you're happy with your G19. It's no big secret that I avoided Glocks like the STD of the gun world for a long, long time. Then I broke down and bought a G19..... *sigh* I was wrong about them. The G19 is a hard-to-beat combination of price, caliber, features, etc.
The G19 is a hard-to-beat combination of price, caliber, features, etc.Captains1911
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I'm having a tough time understanding how mag springs, or mags in general, could affect ejection direction.
Mags and mag springs often play a big part in the ejection process. The follower (or the next round in the magazine) pushes up on the extracted cartridge which helps the ejection process.
It's pretty common for Glocks to eject empty cases down the magazine well if the magazine is removed before the gun is fired.
It's pretty common for Glocks to eject empty cases down the magazine well if the magazine is removed before the gun is fired.
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