sorry, been gone for a few days. figured a bit more out about this rifle. apparently in the late 90's and early 2000's winchester made a push feed, blind magazine black shadow that was sold in walmart (could have been in other places as well) with a "w" on the stock. this is different than the typical black shadow in that the trigger guard is the only metallic part on the bottom. THIS turned out to be the rifle i was talking about. since learning this, i will likely abandon the idea and will probably just turn it into a truck gun and put a decent older model leupold, etc, on it. since i will have nothing in the rifle when i get it, it would make a good pig gun to have in the truck when im driving around the dirt roads on Fort Rucker. thanks for the posts, i think im going to try one of these projects out anyway soon since i got myself excited and learned-up on the subject. would prefer to start with an ultimate or super shadow; the one posted above is very nice, excellent work.