Modern Usefulness of a Single Shot Break Action

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Mine is useful as my go to turkey gun in 10 gauge. Loaded with TSS shot, a Sumtoy .700 choke tube, and a Leupold scope it will kill turkeys at more than double the standard effective range that most turkey ammo is rated for, 10gauge.jpg if that is your choice.
 
BTW, a gun similar to this recently sold for $1250 on Gunbroker, so they arent cheap anymore
 
I love single shots but nothing and I mean nothing is immune to failure. I had a beautiful H&R ribbed barrel Topper 20ga. Shortly after receiving it the transfer bar failed and I had to return it. Never trusted it again. That being said as far as reliability goes I'll take a non-transfer bar single shot first, A proven pump second and semi-auto last.
Your mileage may vary.
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I'm very much enjoying my new transfer bar single but still have that leery feeling in the back of my mind.
 
After 25,000+ rounds like that; I'll call it ready to go
Now if someone can get 10-15 thousand rounds through a general utility single shot shotgun and not have something break I would be really impressed since most of these type shotguns will rarely see more than 1000 rounds in their entire lifetime. I have had to replace a firing pin in one older H&R single 20 gauge, and another had to replace a spring in a hardware brand 12 gauge. I would doubt either of them had seen 500 rounds in their lifetime. Not saying it can't happen, I have half a dozen single shot shotguns. Most are corner shotguns for pest control. Single shots have a place in most households that have a gun. Is there a better option? Most definitely. Will they usually do in a pinch? Probably.

I am a Remington 1100 fan, once in while I will get a light target load not eject, but I can usually clear that little problem with enough time to break my second bird in a set of doubles on the skeet range. A shooter of a single shot, might, might, be able to take a second bird on a double if he has a shell in hand ready. Yes they can be loaded fast, but it takes time to break open, grab another shell, insert it, close gun back up, reacquire the target, and shoot.
 
If I had to pick *one* long gun to *survive* the "apocalypse" with; it'd be a single shot break action 12ga, with adapters for all your common cartridges. Bear in mind, my idea of "survive" is just that- avoid every fight I can, live as a nomad.
 
Where can you find a good deal on a simple, rugged single these days?

Love to grab a couple in 12 and 410.
 
single barrel trapguns dominate the market among dedicated trapshooters. Their simplicity and durability are undeniable. Some of These guys are shooting 10k-100k shots per year. The price tag on the Kolars and Guirrinnis(sp) would make most folks jaws drop and the ca$h regi$ter 'Cha-ching' sound blurt out.

For us mortals, the venerable single shot is quick to load and unload which makes it a good choice for a back door gun for both the novice and the expert alike.

They are pretty much ambidextrous.

I good learning gun for kids, especially exposed hammer guns. All three of my sons took their first deer with an H&R slug gun.

They are (used to be) inexpensive, and you could own guns in different gauges and calibers.

Pfft. Kolar & Guerini. Cheap junk. Now a Perazzi or Kreighoff, you can spend some real coin there. ;)

Obviously, I joke. None of those guns are cheap, or junk. Have yet to shoot a Kolar myself, but I shoot with enough guys who do, it's only a matter of time. I know they are excellent guns.

And the other uses you mention are all valid reasons for single shot break actions. I liked the two NEF .223's I had, as well as the shotguns.

My first hunting gun (pheasant hunting at age 9) was an H&R Topper in .410. The only game I hit with it was a fox in a trap. So I guess my older son and I both got our first animals with a .410 H&R, though not the same gun.
 
How exactly will dropping a weapon be it shotgun or revolver with an external hammer and transfer bar design result in the gun firing? When hammer is down, I just cannot see any way it can happen. And with the hammer cocked, I cannot see how it can happen without the trigger being pulled.

When the gun is cocked, the trigger is held to the sear by spring force, and the transfer bar is in position for firing. Inducing inertia can release that force on the sear or trigger; many triggers on single shots are NOT held in place (when cocked) by a spring. Result is more than likely a K-BOOM.

Transfer bar equipped guns are safer than guns without, but transfer bars are not a panacea for idiocy.


One of the few times that I've had to protect house and home, the weapon that I had at hand was a Topper 12 gauge.
I'd love to find another one.
The first time I had a gun deliberately pointed at me, it was an H&R Topper 12 ga. , I left where I was, as asked.
 
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Savage 301- decent copy of the old H&R's,
I really like mine. The biggest complaint I see is the presence of a safety. Simple cure is don't use it. Other than that mine has been flawless. It locks up like a bank vault and opens smoothly. I haven't even felt the need to change the recoil pad.
 
I inherited a single shot 12ga when my dad died. It is a "Nitro King" made in the early 1900s. I believe it was my dad's first shotgun. I shot it when I was a kid but the action is pretty loose now so probably unsafe.

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I have a friend who buys up any H&R single shot he can find as long as it's not over $100. He cuts the barrels down and repurposes them as his "stash away, walk in the woods" guns. I found one for sale about 8-10 years ago at a garage sale for $35. I cut the barrel down. I subsequently found a 20 ga barrel on ebay (back when bbls were cheap) and cut it down and fitted it as well.

Shown below with the 20 ga bbl, snap on fiber optic sight and sling. The pouch holds about 20 20 ga shells, 15 12 ga shells. 12 ga and 357 mag bbl below. I kind of use it as truck gun since I'm back and forth to my cabin quiet often.

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Shown below...I also have a 44 mag bbl for it. Pistol caliber barrels can be fitted on shotgun frames. I've killed a few deer with both the 357 and 44 mag bbls. The 357 bbl is the one with the scope, the 44 bbl is second from the bottom. 12 and 20 ga bbls included in the carry case.

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I picked up a 20 ga at a yard sale last summer for $75

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The cut down and long barrel 20 ga next to a single shot "Snake Charmer" 410

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I also picked up this H&R/ NEF 12 ga just last April for $100. Really have no use for it but just can't pass up a cheap gun. It's currently leaning by the back door of the cabin. I'll probably fit the 357 or 44 or both bbls to it and dedicate it as a single shot rifle.

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That way I'll have a dedicated two caliber single shot rifle and a dedicated two gauge shotgun. I'll probably leave the long barrel on the other 20 ga.

I will say that the 20 ga singles are a lot more pleasant to shoot than their 12 ga cousins.
 
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I keep my RIA .410 and various loads in the trunk of the car and it goes with me just about everywhere. Comes in handy when I'm out in the woods. I've no complaints about it.
 
Where can you find a good deal on a simple, rugged single these days?

Love to grab a couple in 12 and 410.

rossi, also made combo sets with 22lr, 22wmr or 243 barrels. 12ga is little fun shot out of a single, 20ga is more comfortable yet still offers almost as much useful oomph.
 
Wow...not one mention of hiking, exploring, scouting, trekking and map and compass work in mountainous back-country where the bears and cougars roam. A short, light single shot shotgun will provide protection against big game, take small game in an "unexpected" extended stay if lost or injured. When I trek far into the wilderness, light weight is important. It means I can carry more food and water. And other "stuff".

Although I often pair a single shot .22 rifle (I love my Little Badger) with a .44 mag or .45 Colt pistol, pairing a single shot shotgun with a .22 pistol really covers all the bases. I have an old "Companion" shotgun, (hammerless) 3" 12 gauge that I cut down for that purpose. Yes, the recoil is brutal with a 3" slug load, but will I feel it if shooting at a grizz five feet away? Don't think so. Certainly will hurt less than claws and teeth. And for small game, I can shoot very light loads. Don't take a 3" magnum shell to take a grouse or a rabbit.

Also have a Savage 20 gauge hammer gun that I made a shorty out of that I really like. With Bernekke slugs, I'm pretty confident that I can hurt a bear at close range, although not as much as a 3" 12 gauge slug. What I like about it is that the 20 gauge ammo is much lighter than the 12. Of course there's some "tradeoff" there. With a .22 pistol, I can carry a lot of .22's, and only a few shotgun slug loads, if I really want to cut down on weight.

The 20 gauge only weighs 5.3 pounds, the 12 is 5.8 pounds. That's a lot of bang per pound.

And, if one is hopelessly lost, and can't find small game, but comes across a deer at short range, a slug will provide quite a few tasty meals. If one is truly lost, the game departments usually forgive such transgressions.

Anyhow, being very light, but powerful weapons, that are both small and large game capable, I think where the single shot shotgun really shines is wilderness survival, exploring, trekking, etc. I believe that anyone calling themselves a back-woodsman probably deserves to shoot their foot off if they have a AD with either hammer or hammerless guns. Or perhaps they should stay home and watch television. Or only shoot blanks. :)
 
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There they are, dawg had to get in the picture. The 12 is one of them-there incredible folding shotguns, "The Companion". The Savage is a 219 which I also have a 26" .30-30 barrel for. I will admit, the "Companion" does have incredibly brutal recoil with 3" shells, but again, if faced with grizz, I don't see that as an issue. The Savage is sweet shooting, and very accurate with the Bernekke (sp?) slugs. The Companion is also very accurate with slugs, and I did get it sighted in, but see no reason to ever shoot it with 3" shells again, unless I had to. The 12 has a 21.25" barrel, the 20 a 20" barrel. For me, 18" barrels on a single shot are just too stubby.

I just realized, I lied! I was thinking the 20 was a hammer gun, but it's not. Was thinking of some other gun...or something. Too many guns. Not.
 
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I did. It was a 12 Ga. Red Letter one that had been used for training on gun and stock finishes. The stock had been cut down to about 12" LOP, four different finishes on it, the barrel about the same length as your Savage above, with the first 6" from the muzzle bead blasted flat and cold blued. I got it for next to nothing. My younger son got it into his head that because I had told him it would be his when he was old enough, it meant it was his right then. I told him this when he was 9; at that age his brother had already had "his" own shotgun, a .410 H&R, but his older brother was a bit more mature by then, and had actually been 'given' (the use of) the .410 at 7. I didn't actually give it to him until about 21.
My younger son misinterpreted this to mean it was actually "his" shotgun, in a very real and legally binding sense, (as in Monty Python) and carved his name into the forearm. :cuss: When he shot it before he did that, I put Aguila mini-shells in it for him; after he did that, I found some of my Dad's old "knock the stuffings out of you" 2 3/4" duck loads, and said, "Here, shoot 'em up!" :evil:.
This still didn't dissuade him, and when he graduated high school, I helped him buy his dream truck, a '94 F350 crew cab long box, and he asked for the Win. 37 to put under the seats, I said sure. (What redneck kid doesn't have a shotgun in the truck, right?) Without my knowledge or consent, he'd worked out a trade of the F350 for a heavy half diesel Chevy 1500, and had left the shotgun under the seat. He then promptly crashed the 1500 the day after, having stayed up all night working on it. :fire: About a week later, in after thought I asked him where the shotgun was. When he called the kid he'd traded with, the kid said he didn't know what he was talking about. :mad::fire: It took me 5 year to pay off the loan for that F350, and I hear about it all the time from SWMBO, who advised me not to do it, but no, I was trying to be his buddy. Lesson Learned.
 
Where can you find a good deal on a simple, rugged single these days?

Love to grab a couple in 12 and 410.

I bought this 12 gauge H&R Topper (manufactured in 1979) on Friday for $100. It is nearly immaculate. Single shots make great knocking-around-the-woods guns. They are light and handy not to mention a bit nostalgic.

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I did. It was a 12 Ga. Red Letter one that had been used for training on gun and stock finishes. The stock had been cut down to about 12" LOP, four different finishes on it, the barrel about the same length as your Savage above, with the first 6" from the muzzle bead blasted flat and cold blued. I got it for next to nothing. My younger son got it into his head that because I had told him it would be his when he was old enough, it meant it was his right then. I told him this when he was 9; at that age his brother had already had "his" own shotgun, a .410 H&R, but his older brother was a bit more mature by then, and had actually been 'given' (the use of) the .410 at 7. I didn't actually give it to him until about 21.
My younger son misinterpreted this to mean it was actually "his" shotgun, in a very real and legally binding sense, (as in Monty Python) and carved his name into the forearm. :cuss: When he shot it before he did that, I put Aguila mini-shells in it for him; after he did that, I found some of my Dad's old "knock the stuffings out of you" 2 3/4" duck loads, and said, "Here, shoot 'em up!" :evil:.
This still didn't dissuade him, and when he graduated high school, I helped him buy his dream truck, a '94 F350 crew cab long box, and he asked for the Win. 37 to put under the seats, I said sure. (What redneck kid doesn't have a shotgun in the truck, right?) Without my knowledge or consent, he'd worked out a trade of the F350 for a heavy half diesel Chevy 1500, and had left the shotgun under the seat. He then promptly crashed the 1500 the day after, having stayed up all night working on it. :fire: About a week later, in after thought I asked him where the shotgun was. When he called the kid he'd traded with, the kid said he didn't know what he was talking about. :mad::fire: It took me 5 year to pay off the loan for that F350, and I hear about it all the time from SWMBO, who advised me not to do it, but no, I was trying to be his buddy. Lesson Learned.

Yeah kids. I "took" possession of my Grandfather's double 12 gauge hammer gun DSC06835.JPG after he died, when I was 12 years old. First time I shot it, my right hand came back and busted me on the nose. I still call that gun "Bloody Nose". It did not dissuade me.

After pulling a good small block 360 engine out of one of my trucks, 1973 Dodge 3/4 ton Power Wagon, (had a big block waiting for it, his 318 had a bad cylinder) and spending a couple of days putting it in my son's truck, 1974 3/4 ton Power Wagon, about three weeks later he rolls it three times, with two friends in the cab, no seatbelts. No one got even hurt. Oh well, I still have my '73, now big-block powered, and running as strong as a brand new truck. !!! Wasn't much left of his truck to salvage, just the engine, tranny, transfer case and axles.
 
The one single shot shotgun i have is a 16 gauge, Diamond Arms that I picked up at a gun show about a year and a half ago. Got it for $50. That fall I took 4 or 5 pheasants with it and some coons. Told myself ill never pass up on cheap single shots ever again if I can get them at that price. The amount of value you get for how cheap they can be is great.
We also have two single shots as wall hangers. Not sure if that is considered being useful though.
 
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