MOJO sights on M28-30

[butcherboy]

i finally purchased a set of mojo sights for my finish m28-30. i can shoot out to 100yds with the original sights but its not that easy to do consistently.

my question is:
is there a big improvement in the mojos over the originals. my main application for the m28-30 is deer hunting. thanks for the help.

 

[caribou]

If it helps your eyes , and some people do get improvement with peeps, but the 28/30 open sights are VERY hard to beat in the first place. Mojos dont alter anything permanently, so if theres no improvement, you can go back to the originals easily enough.

Consistancey in bullet placement is a 3 tier idea, consitant velocitys in bullet flight/condition of Rifle/Riflemans skills.

What kind of ammo are you useing?
Do you need glasses?
Most all M-28/30's are masterfull bullet placers by the nature of the civil Guards quest for accuracy.
Top Sniper Simo Hayha made 1/2 his kills with an open sighted M28/30.

tells us how it gos.

 

[butcherboy]

caribou: heres some more details i didnt think to mention before.

ammo: Russian 7.62x54R 147grn FMJ from Aimsurplus.com

im 25yrs old been shooting for 3 years.
vision: 20/20.

Shooting experience:i currently shoot iron sights on the following rifles/handguns: marlin 336, howa 243 ( custom with iron sights) om ruger single six and ruger MK 3 and Ruger p95, single shot marlin 100g and factory 10/22. i have no problem with sights on any of these firearms. im good with all these out to 75-300 yds based on caliber.

for some reason ( unknown to me) my eyes dont like the stock sights at 100yds. i have had the 28-30 in a ransom rest and the gun itself shoots under 3 inches at 100yds with surplus ammo. i guess its just me.

i figured after reading many reviews about the mojos and people liking the sight picture id give them a try. also they were recommended for hunting by a few posters on THR.

hope this helps with any suggestions anyone may have. thanks BB

 

[Joshua M. Smith]

Hello,

The biggest problem I found with regards to the Mosin-Nagant sights are the front sights. It's too wide at about 0.080" for any sort of precision at 100 yards when not rested.

I've found that taking it down to around 0.060" helps a lot. Going to 0.050" helps even more -- for some people. I have 20/40 vision (uncorrected) in my shooting eye, and found that I get fatigued pretty easily with 0.050".

The stock sight covers about 12"(!) at 100 yards.

Bring it down to 0.60" and it covers only about 8".

Of course, you're using the middle of the top of the sight to aim, so you might put a very thin line of white paint there.

I've found that what ghost ring and peep sights do best (for me at least) is to bring the front sight into better focus.

Been playing around with an idea that would give the M/N a longer sight radius, but haven't really had time to go past the prototype stage.

Meantime, you might fit a diopter onto the wrist and give it a go with the stock sights if it's shooting on. This will help bring the front sight into focus more. (I don't mean use the diopter to sight, but rather to bring the front sight into better focus. Retain the rear sight. Alternatively, they make diopters which fit onto shooting glasses).

Regards,

Josh

 

[caribou]

Different sighting sytems have different uses, strength and weakness's.

I find the M28/30's perfect for long range work myself. I dont do so well with peeps, but thats me. I do have an M1917, with issed peeps, and my son can out shoot me all the day long, same rifle, same bullets, but I can out shoot him with my Mosin......

Try the peeps.

Russian ammo is usually good, maby a different sight is the trick...........hey, how is the trigger? Th e rests can cover up a bad trigger, but your fingers cant. The action screws are tight?

Do you hunt with the Russian loads, or softpoints of commercial type?. Practise with what you plan to use, Im strictly Czeck lightball myself, its soooooo good, so I bought lots and just use boiling water as an extra step in cleaning because its corrosive.

Placeing that shot is what it all boils down to, and if the peeps make that better, then stick with them.

Please keep the original sights though, you may indeed sell it someday, and the greatest value is in a complete rifle.

I absolutely love M-28/30's, father of the M-39 and my straightstock M-39 has a feel all its own. A great allaround hunting rifle for sure, I would like another and another ~~LOL!!~~

tell us how it comes out.

 

[Joshua M. Smith]

Hey Caribou,

Where are you finding the Czech light ball? I began reloading the 7.62x54R when I stopped being able to find the stuff and nothing else really did it for me.

The Russian stuff I've pulled has varying powder charges and bullet weights. I'm somewhat amazed they would group at all (as was, they formed several different groups according to charge and weight!)

I wouldn't mind finding some more Czech stuff, though, to put back for a rainy day. I miss those blue/gray boxes, too!

Regards,

Josh

 

[caribou]

I get it from my bedroom, Joshua.........12 cases stacked along the wall with shelves on them, the only way the wife lets me store ammo in the house Bought a ton (or 1/2) back when 800rd cases were 62$ each, and another 22$ to land them here. I still pick up ammo now and then, gotta stay stocked up allrighty, but if I get cut off, I have about 25 years of shooting here

 

[bigedp51]

butcherboy

Your age and your ability to focus on the sights play a big part of your question. I use aperture sights on my 30-30 for deer hunting in the brush at fast moving targets. I had mojo sights on an SKS and didn't like it because of the distance to the rear sight and did much better with Tech-Sights with it being closer to my eye. I also think you will be covering too much of what your shooting at compared the a normal peep sight setup. Meaning all you do is put the front sight on what your shooting with a wider field of view.

If I may make a suggestion, some milsurps come with the "mojo" in the right position in the first place.

 

[Cosmoline]

As my eyes have gotten older, I find it harder and harder to lock into the front sight and hold it. Something about eye muscles apparently. And apparently inevitable. The good news is I have found the Mojos to be a great help. On the M39 I just have to look through them to the target and it works great.

Keep in mind that Mojos are more like express sights than true aperture sights you'd use on a competition rifle. But they're fine for anything inside 200 meters and I can't see much further than that anyway ;-)

For ammo I"m loving the early production .310" Polish LB in my M39. You may find best results with handloads in the M28/30 though. The bore is liable to be near .308"

 

[butcherboy]

everyone: thanks for the suggestions/comments. i should have the sights next week. ill post a report after range testing.

gun condition:
action screws are tight, factory trigger isnt bad, dont know the weight. barrel is in good condition ( found gun in attic originally) but a lot of elbow grease and hot water and it cleaned up great. and the crown is good.

 

[butcherboy]

everyone: thanks for the suggestions/comments. i should have the sights next week. ill post a report after range testing.

gun condition:
action screws are tight, factory trigger isnt bad, dont know the weight. barrel is in good condition ( found gun in attic originally) but a lot of elbow grease and hot water and it cleaned up great. and the crown is good.

 

[Joshua M. Smith]

Hello Butcherboy,

If interested, you might take a look at this:

http://www.smith-sights.com/article-accurizing-mosin-nagant.php

The Mosin-Nagant is an accurate rifle, properly set up. You don't have to settle for mediocre accuracy, and neither do you need to make permanent changes. This is my how-to, and are the techniques I personally use. It is not unusual to see 1.5MOA accuracy from the Mosin-Nagant when using these techniques.

The first thing that should be done is to smooth the barrel channel using an appropriate sized dowel rod or socket from a ratchet wrench, wrapped in 320 or so sandpaper. When done, a straight edge should lay flat along the barrel channel.


Lightly oil the cork bedding on both sides.

It goes on from there at the website. Just stuff I found works. I've not put anything up about the trigger, yet.

Regards,

Josh