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Monkey County MD: U.S. Marshal Involved In Deadly Shooting
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carpettbaggerr
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Contact between the vehicles, they stop to exchange information, and the kid hits the Deputy. Then the kid gets in the car and tries to back over the Marshal, only to find he's armed. After the Marshal fires, the kid puts the car in drive to get away, and crashes into the building.
We have no idea what happened. It could be a good shoot, or it could be a bad shoot. Eyewitness testimony is very unreliable, and often biased. As are all our views of this incident.
Based on the fact that the Camaro had New Jersey plates, I'd say he got what he deserved, but then I know I'm biased when it comes to Jersey drivers.
Well first of all this shooting looks bad....very bad unless there's something that they're really holding back.
But I gotta say this has to be about the dumbest saying that I've ever heard:
Is this lady so dumb that she is unaware that human beings do die.......quite often, and on top of that they can become very aggresive....over stupid nonsense?
But I gotta say this has to be about the dumbest saying that I've ever heard:
Is this lady so dumb that she is unaware that human beings do die.......quite often, and on top of that they can become very aggresive....over stupid nonsense?
nico
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I just heard an update on this case on the radio. According to WMAL, the marshall was arrested and is going to be charged with 2nd degree murder. I don't mean to pass judgement, but it's nice to know that he doesn't seem to be getting a pass. It'll be interresting to hear more facts in the case.
Sindawe
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All to true, Furious Styles, all to true. Folks get queasy when I tell 'em of the time I worked in a tissue donor facilty (turning donors into spare parts).
The marshall is being treated as any non-LEO would. Good, equality under the law is all I ask.
JohnBT
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Hmmm, a fistfight, a broken thumb, a shot to the ankle and a 911 call. The plot thickens. JT
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18425-2004Nov2.html?nav=most_emailed
U.S. Marshal Is Charged With Murder In Shooting
By David Snyder and Fredrick Kunkle
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, November 3, 2004; Page B01
A deputy U.S. marshal who shot and killed a Navy seaman after a traffic dispute in Montgomery County last week was charged yesterday with first-degree murder and other offenses, authorities said.
Arthur L. Lloyd, 53, of Silver Spring was arrested by Montgomery police yesterday and also charged with reckless endangerment and using a handgun during a violent crime in the shooting of 20-year-old Ryan T. Stowers. Lloyd, a member of the U.S. Marshals Service for 28 years, was being held without bond at the county jail.
When the incident began, Lloyd, who was off duty, was driving a sport-utility vehicle, and Stowers was driving a Chevrolet Camaro shortly before 8:30 p.m. Thursday when they pulled off Rockville Pike and into the parking lot of Mid-Pike Plaza, according to police and witnesses. They said the two got out of their vehicles, then had an argument and a fistfight.
Lloyd suffered a broken thumb and other injuries in the fight, and Stowers was hit in the ankle by a bullet from Lloyd's service weapon, according to two law-enforcement sources who requested anonymity because the investigation is open. It is unclear whether that initial shot was fired intentionally or accidentally.
The sources said three more shots were fired after Stowers got back in his red Camaro and dialed 911 on his cell phone. The fatal shot went through the open driver's side window, striking Stowers in a shoulder blade. They said another shot shattered Stowers's rear windshield but did not hit him. The final shot hit one of the car's taillights.
In deciding whether to file charges, authorities said, they focused on whether Lloyd had a legitimate reason to open fire -- whether he feared for his life or for the lives of bystanders.
"I want you to know that investigators have interviewed over 40 witnesses, reviewed and evaluated extensive physical and forensic evidence, and have consulted with members of the state's attorney's office throughout this investigation," Montgomery Police Chief J. Thomas Manger said yesterday. Based on that, he said, authorities "believe it is now appropriate to bring charges in this case."
Don Hines, spokesman for the U.S. Marshals Service, said yesterday that Lloyd was suspended without pay after the arrest. Lloyd's attorney, David Sanford, did not return a phone call seeking comment.
Stowers joined the Navy in March. Kelly Servis, 18, a friend who lives in Stowers's hometown of Redding, Calif., expressed relief that Lloyd had been charged. "It pretty much doesn't matter what the incident was over," she said yesterday. "It shouldn't have escalated to a gunshot." She said Stowers's family is "really happy" about the arrest.
The shooting happened on a four-lane road in the Mid-Pike Plaza lot. The roadway runs perpendicular to the shopping center and rises on a slow incline toward Rockville Pike. Stowers was alone in his car. Lloyd was with his wife and several children, authorities said.
Felipe Andrade, 19, of Gaithersburg, who witnessed the shooting and was interviewed by police, said the Camaro stopped behind the SUV in the lot. He said it appeared that the two vehicles had been involved in a fender bender.
After the two men fought and Stowers got back in his Camaro, Andrade said, he saw Lloyd holding what appeared to be a black semiautomatic and a badge. He said Lloyd was standing close to the Camaro's right front fender. The Camaro's engine was running, and the driver's window was down, Andrade said.
He said he heard Lloyd yell, "Get out of the car, or I'm going to shoot you!" and "You just hit a federal officer. Watch what's going to happen to you in the morning if you leave." Andrade said Stowers was yelling, "I need a picture ID! Show me a picture ID!"
"He sounded scared," Andrade said. He said the Camaro backed up, then moved forward and around the left side of the SUV, as if to leave. He said the car did not drive at Lloyd. "He drove away in a normal fashion," Andrade said.
He said he then heard three shots.
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18425-2004Nov2.html?nav=most_emailed
U.S. Marshal Is Charged With Murder In Shooting
By David Snyder and Fredrick Kunkle
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, November 3, 2004; Page B01
A deputy U.S. marshal who shot and killed a Navy seaman after a traffic dispute in Montgomery County last week was charged yesterday with first-degree murder and other offenses, authorities said.
Arthur L. Lloyd, 53, of Silver Spring was arrested by Montgomery police yesterday and also charged with reckless endangerment and using a handgun during a violent crime in the shooting of 20-year-old Ryan T. Stowers. Lloyd, a member of the U.S. Marshals Service for 28 years, was being held without bond at the county jail.
When the incident began, Lloyd, who was off duty, was driving a sport-utility vehicle, and Stowers was driving a Chevrolet Camaro shortly before 8:30 p.m. Thursday when they pulled off Rockville Pike and into the parking lot of Mid-Pike Plaza, according to police and witnesses. They said the two got out of their vehicles, then had an argument and a fistfight.
Lloyd suffered a broken thumb and other injuries in the fight, and Stowers was hit in the ankle by a bullet from Lloyd's service weapon, according to two law-enforcement sources who requested anonymity because the investigation is open. It is unclear whether that initial shot was fired intentionally or accidentally.
The sources said three more shots were fired after Stowers got back in his red Camaro and dialed 911 on his cell phone. The fatal shot went through the open driver's side window, striking Stowers in a shoulder blade. They said another shot shattered Stowers's rear windshield but did not hit him. The final shot hit one of the car's taillights.
In deciding whether to file charges, authorities said, they focused on whether Lloyd had a legitimate reason to open fire -- whether he feared for his life or for the lives of bystanders.
"I want you to know that investigators have interviewed over 40 witnesses, reviewed and evaluated extensive physical and forensic evidence, and have consulted with members of the state's attorney's office throughout this investigation," Montgomery Police Chief J. Thomas Manger said yesterday. Based on that, he said, authorities "believe it is now appropriate to bring charges in this case."
Don Hines, spokesman for the U.S. Marshals Service, said yesterday that Lloyd was suspended without pay after the arrest. Lloyd's attorney, David Sanford, did not return a phone call seeking comment.
Stowers joined the Navy in March. Kelly Servis, 18, a friend who lives in Stowers's hometown of Redding, Calif., expressed relief that Lloyd had been charged. "It pretty much doesn't matter what the incident was over," she said yesterday. "It shouldn't have escalated to a gunshot." She said Stowers's family is "really happy" about the arrest.
The shooting happened on a four-lane road in the Mid-Pike Plaza lot. The roadway runs perpendicular to the shopping center and rises on a slow incline toward Rockville Pike. Stowers was alone in his car. Lloyd was with his wife and several children, authorities said.
Felipe Andrade, 19, of Gaithersburg, who witnessed the shooting and was interviewed by police, said the Camaro stopped behind the SUV in the lot. He said it appeared that the two vehicles had been involved in a fender bender.
After the two men fought and Stowers got back in his Camaro, Andrade said, he saw Lloyd holding what appeared to be a black semiautomatic and a badge. He said Lloyd was standing close to the Camaro's right front fender. The Camaro's engine was running, and the driver's window was down, Andrade said.
He said he heard Lloyd yell, "Get out of the car, or I'm going to shoot you!" and "You just hit a federal officer. Watch what's going to happen to you in the morning if you leave." Andrade said Stowers was yelling, "I need a picture ID! Show me a picture ID!"
"He sounded scared," Andrade said. He said the Camaro backed up, then moved forward and around the left side of the SUV, as if to leave. He said the car did not drive at Lloyd. "He drove away in a normal fashion," Andrade said.
He said he then heard three shots.
Sindawe
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Wife Tried to Stop Deputy From Shooting
Attorney Says Off-Duty Officer Was Defending His Family in Fatal Fight With Seaman
By David Snyder
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 4, 2004; Page B04
The wife of a deputy U.S. marshal who shot and killed a man after a traffic dispute in Montgomery County last week tried to restrain her husband before he opened fire, according to a police affidavit filed in court.
But the deputy, Arthur L. Lloyd, 53, rebuffed his wife, saying, "I'm going to show him," then fired the first of four shots, the affidavit states.
Ryan Stowers reentered his car after being shot in the leg and yelled at Lloyd to show him a photo ID.
The initial shot hit the victim, Ryan T. Stowers, 20, in the right leg during a confrontation between him and Lloyd in the parking lot of Mid-Pike Plaza, off Rockville Pike, shortly before 8:30 p.m. Oct. 28, according to police. Stowers was out of his vehicle at the time, as were Lloyd and his wife, according to the affidavit. Other court documents identify the wife as Wanda Guzman Lloyd, 29.
Police said Stowers, a Navy seaman, was killed by a subsequent shot, which struck him in the upper back after he had gotten back in his car and was driving away, according to police.
The incident apparently followed a traffic altercation on the pike between Stowers, who was alone in his Chevrolet Camaro, and Lloyd, who was with his wife and several small children in a sport-utility vehicle, according to police and witnesses. The two pulled into the parking area, got out and fought before Lloyd drew his weapon, police and witnesses said.
Police said they interviewed numerous witnesses. During the fight, "Lloyd sustained some injuries," the affidavit states. It does not say who threw the first punch. "As a result of the fight with Stowers," the affidavit states, Lloyd drew his weapon. "Lloyd's wife exited the vehicle and tried to restrain him," according to the affidavit, which does not say how she tried to do so.
After being shot in the leg, the affidavit states, Stowers screamed, "You just shot me!" Then he called 911 on his cell phone, according to the affidavit.
Lloyd ordered Stowers to get on the ground, but Stowers got in his car, the affidavit states. Lloyd told Stowers not to drive away and identified himself as a law enforcement officer, showing his badge and saying, "I'm a federal marshal," according to the affidavit.
Moments later, Lloyd fired three shots into Stowers's car as Stowers was driving away, according to police and a witness interviewed by The Washington Post. One of those shots struck Stowers in his upper back, killing him.
Lloyd, a 28-year member of the U.S. Marshals Service who was off-duty at the time of the shooting, was charged Tuesday with first-degree murder and other offenses. He is being held in the Montgomery jail pending a bond hearing tomorrow.
Stefanie Roemer, Lloyd's attorney, said her client "was acting reasonably in the course of duty." She said Stowers "was an individual who was in an agitated state who was clearly posing a danger to the officer and his family." She said Lloyd "was acting not only reasonably but in defense of himself and his family."
Lloyd suffered a black eye and a broken thumb in the fight with Stowers. Two law enforcement sources, speaking on condition of anonymity because the case is still under investigation, said Stowers punched Lloyd repeatedly and pulled his shirt over his head. Stowers beat up Lloyd "pretty badly," one source said.
After Lloyd showed his badge, Stowers said, "Show me your ID, show me your photo ID," the affidavit states. "I don't believe you. Show me an ID, something with a picture."
At the same time, the affidavit states, Lloyd was yelling "Get out of the car, or I'm going to shoot. If you leave, watch what's going to happen to you in the morning. You just hit a federal officer."
As Stowers drove past Lloyd, who was standing on the driver's side of Stowers's car, Lloyd fired three shots, the affidavit states.
Police said one bullet passed through the open driver's side window and hit Stowers in the upper back; the other two smashed the car's rear window and a taillight.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23625-2004Nov3.html
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Sounds to me like the Marshall got his clock cleaned in a physical altercation, and them decided that since he's a federal officer, he does not have to stand for having his gluts kicked.
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Wife Tried to Stop Deputy From Shooting
Attorney Says Off-Duty Officer Was Defending His Family in Fatal Fight With Seaman
By David Snyder
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 4, 2004; Page B04
The wife of a deputy U.S. marshal who shot and killed a man after a traffic dispute in Montgomery County last week tried to restrain her husband before he opened fire, according to a police affidavit filed in court.
But the deputy, Arthur L. Lloyd, 53, rebuffed his wife, saying, "I'm going to show him," then fired the first of four shots, the affidavit states.
Ryan Stowers reentered his car after being shot in the leg and yelled at Lloyd to show him a photo ID.
The initial shot hit the victim, Ryan T. Stowers, 20, in the right leg during a confrontation between him and Lloyd in the parking lot of Mid-Pike Plaza, off Rockville Pike, shortly before 8:30 p.m. Oct. 28, according to police. Stowers was out of his vehicle at the time, as were Lloyd and his wife, according to the affidavit. Other court documents identify the wife as Wanda Guzman Lloyd, 29.
Police said Stowers, a Navy seaman, was killed by a subsequent shot, which struck him in the upper back after he had gotten back in his car and was driving away, according to police.
The incident apparently followed a traffic altercation on the pike between Stowers, who was alone in his Chevrolet Camaro, and Lloyd, who was with his wife and several small children in a sport-utility vehicle, according to police and witnesses. The two pulled into the parking area, got out and fought before Lloyd drew his weapon, police and witnesses said.
Police said they interviewed numerous witnesses. During the fight, "Lloyd sustained some injuries," the affidavit states. It does not say who threw the first punch. "As a result of the fight with Stowers," the affidavit states, Lloyd drew his weapon. "Lloyd's wife exited the vehicle and tried to restrain him," according to the affidavit, which does not say how she tried to do so.
After being shot in the leg, the affidavit states, Stowers screamed, "You just shot me!" Then he called 911 on his cell phone, according to the affidavit.
Lloyd ordered Stowers to get on the ground, but Stowers got in his car, the affidavit states. Lloyd told Stowers not to drive away and identified himself as a law enforcement officer, showing his badge and saying, "I'm a federal marshal," according to the affidavit.
Moments later, Lloyd fired three shots into Stowers's car as Stowers was driving away, according to police and a witness interviewed by The Washington Post. One of those shots struck Stowers in his upper back, killing him.
Lloyd, a 28-year member of the U.S. Marshals Service who was off-duty at the time of the shooting, was charged Tuesday with first-degree murder and other offenses. He is being held in the Montgomery jail pending a bond hearing tomorrow.
Stefanie Roemer, Lloyd's attorney, said her client "was acting reasonably in the course of duty." She said Stowers "was an individual who was in an agitated state who was clearly posing a danger to the officer and his family." She said Lloyd "was acting not only reasonably but in defense of himself and his family."
Lloyd suffered a black eye and a broken thumb in the fight with Stowers. Two law enforcement sources, speaking on condition of anonymity because the case is still under investigation, said Stowers punched Lloyd repeatedly and pulled his shirt over his head. Stowers beat up Lloyd "pretty badly," one source said.
After Lloyd showed his badge, Stowers said, "Show me your ID, show me your photo ID," the affidavit states. "I don't believe you. Show me an ID, something with a picture."
At the same time, the affidavit states, Lloyd was yelling "Get out of the car, or I'm going to shoot. If you leave, watch what's going to happen to you in the morning. You just hit a federal officer."
As Stowers drove past Lloyd, who was standing on the driver's side of Stowers's car, Lloyd fired three shots, the affidavit states.
Police said one bullet passed through the open driver's side window and hit Stowers in the upper back; the other two smashed the car's rear window and a taillight.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23625-2004Nov3.html
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Sounds to me like the Marshall got his clock cleaned in a physical altercation, and them decided that since he's a federal officer, he does not have to stand for having his gluts kicked.
12-34hom
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It's amazing how someone with that many years as a LEO could be that completely stupid and vindictive.
It really galls me. Hope he enjoys a long stay in the nearest penitentiary.
12-34hom.
It really galls me. Hope he enjoys a long stay in the nearest penitentiary.
12-34hom.
Aguila Blanca
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It does sound like the marshal went off the deep end, but ... FIRST degree murder? I don't think so. Where's the premeditation? Is this going to be another of those cases where the prosecution will claim that "premeditation" can occur in a nanosecond?
I suppose I'm terribly naive, but I can't help thinking the justice system would function a whole lot better if prosecutors would charge people with charges that actually relate to the circumstances and to the law, ratheer than throwing the entire law library at every defendent and leaving the juries to try to sort it all out.
I suppose I'm terribly naive, but I can't help thinking the justice system would function a whole lot better if prosecutors would charge people with charges that actually relate to the circumstances and to the law, ratheer than throwing the entire law library at every defendent and leaving the juries to try to sort it all out.
Ellery Holt
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Wow, what a bunch of cop-bashers.
Were you there to see what happened? Didn't think so.
We've got only half the story here folks!
Oh yeah, almost forgot: At least the officer went home safe that night.
Were you there to see what happened? Didn't think so.
We've got only half the story here folks!
Oh yeah, almost forgot: At least the officer went home safe that night.
Ellery Holt
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It's too darned early in the AM for us to be posting -- I'm being a sarcastic smart-ass, and you're overlooking the winks and grins I put in my post.
I agree, pretty cut-and-dried case of a citizen paying the ultimate price for... what's the name for it... something like 'pissed off cop'.
Best to you and all here -- I'm going to bed! (Finally)
Edited to add: What's the Ellery Queen reference? Is that someone's name, as in common knowledge?
G'night
I agree, pretty cut-and-dried case of a citizen paying the ultimate price for... what's the name for it... something like 'pissed off cop'.
Best to you and all here -- I'm going to bed! (Finally)
Edited to add: What's the Ellery Queen reference? Is that someone's name, as in common knowledge?
G'night
Cool Hand Luke 22:36
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This sounds like absolute BS.
Don't Federal Marshalls have only limited jurisdiction to escort prisoners, serve Federal warrents, and take suspects into custody on said Federal warrents?
And...hats off to the the Montgomery County Maryland Police.
sturmruger
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I like to support LEOs whenever possible but this one doesn't sound good for the Marshal.
As they say you should always try to get away. In most road rage scenarios people always pull over and get out of their cars. I can tell you I would never get out of my car unless the other person broke my drivers window and pulled me out. It is just not worth the risk of getting assaulted.
As they say you should always try to get away. In most road rage scenarios people always pull over and get out of their cars. I can tell you I would never get out of my car unless the other person broke my drivers window and pulled me out. It is just not worth the risk of getting assaulted.
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