HunterBear71
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Not sure losing a sale was worth educating that customer.
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Willfully Armed
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"Well, my grandaddy fought the Germans and he said it was so, so it's so. My grandaddy oughta know whut he wuz talkin' about and you wasn't there!"
brilliant!
(why isnt there a "quote" button?)
brilliant!
(why isnt there a "quote" button?)
Ragnar Danneskjold
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If I had a tarantula loose in my house, I would probably set myself on fire and call it a day. Seriously though, anyone who keeps one of those vile creatures of the underworld as a pet and doesn't bother to learn about them deserves whatever they get.
As for the OP, as others have said, I don't think educating some codger about a non-safety issue is worth the loss of a sale.
C-grunt
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Kinda related but not really. Have a friend of a friend who offered to let us stay at his house if we were ever in town (Vegas if I remember correctly). Good guy, Ive met him a couple times.
So my friend takes him up on the offer one time and finds out he is a spider collector and breeder. Has literally hundreds if not thousands of spiders in his house.
Never did take him up on his offer.
Ragnar Danneskjold
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That house sounds like a good JDAMS target.
I wonder if having that many spiders is even legal.
I wonder if having that many spiders is even legal.
C-grunt
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probably. The guy did that stuff for a living and I guess makes pretty good money doing it.
1911Tuner
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macross...I assure you this wasn't a joke. I do remember hearing that a German machinegun was so fast that it was capable of having multiple bullets in the barrel at once...but it was many years ago before I understood the physics...so apparently the rumor was common among WW2 vets. Seems that every war has rumors of incredible and awe-inspiring things. This was the first time that I'd gotten pulled into an argument over it, though.
Double Naught Spy
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I often see that what this sort of logic is used, it is followed up with
1911Tuner
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DNS...Yep. I've learned to begin those conversations with:
"Your grandpa/daddy/uncle/cousin/bud was misinformed."
Sorta defuses it before it gets lit...sometimes.
"Your grandpa/daddy/uncle/cousin/bud was misinformed."
Sorta defuses it before it gets lit...sometimes.
earlthegoat2
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As much as I would like to agree with this point I have found that there are some people you just dont want in your store, ever. True this guy might tell all his friends to never go there but so what, they are friends of his and probably just as bad. The great thing is that these days guns are selling themselves. If you have something no one else has then you will make a sale. Granted in a few years when this washes over you may be screwed and tattooed. That is my take on it as someone who has been on the other side of the counter.
berettaprofessor
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Love the stories about the tarantula and other spiders. JDam would be a solution indeed.
Had a student once, who lived in a trailer and kept approximately 30 snakes, some poisonous, as pets. Once, a rattlesnake got out and he didn't sleep in the trailer or even go home for a month except weekly to feed the snakes....never did find the rattler.
Had a student once, who lived in a trailer and kept approximately 30 snakes, some poisonous, as pets. Once, a rattlesnake got out and he didn't sleep in the trailer or even go home for a month except weekly to feed the snakes....never did find the rattler.
ny32182
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Great story!
I'm going to say it would have to cycle way faster than 100 rounds/second to get 3 bullets in the barrel at the same time though.
Not to mention the other physical impossibility: if it unlocks with a bullet in the barrel, you are going to end up with a KB. And even if you didn't have the KB to contend with, you'd need the bolt travelling at velocities similar to that of the bullets to even load that fast.
Very impossible on multiple levels.
Even at minigun speeds, the fired round is going to be well clear of the bore by the time the next barrel moves into position and fires.
I'm going to say it would have to cycle way faster than 100 rounds/second to get 3 bullets in the barrel at the same time though.
Not to mention the other physical impossibility: if it unlocks with a bullet in the barrel, you are going to end up with a KB. And even if you didn't have the KB to contend with, you'd need the bolt travelling at velocities similar to that of the bullets to even load that fast.
Very impossible on multiple levels.
Even at minigun speeds, the fired round is going to be well clear of the bore by the time the next barrel moves into position and fires.
Chemistry Guy
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I am not disputing your position, but your math is not entirely correct, because the bullet starts at 0 ft/sec and is accelerated to 2800 ft/sec over the course of its 28 inch path. Therefore, it does take more time to get from the chamber to the end of the 28 inch barrel than from the end of the barrel to a point 28 inches out the end of the barrel.
Assuming a 2.33 foot long barrel and constant acceleration (a false assumption), an initial velocity of 0 ft/sec,and final velocity of 2800 ft/sec, the bullet would remain in the barrel for about 1.667 milliseconds. In order for the bolt to cycle fast enough to fire before the bullet exits, the rifle would need to fire 600 rounds per second, or 36,000 rpm. If you take into account the uneven acceleration of the bullet, this value comes closer to 40-45,000 rpm, just to have two bullets in the barrel simultaneously. Alternatively, you could have a 70 foot barrel. Either way, you're right and the kids was full of B.S.
Assuming a 2.33 foot long barrel and constant acceleration (a false assumption), an initial velocity of 0 ft/sec,and final velocity of 2800 ft/sec, the bullet would remain in the barrel for about 1.667 milliseconds. In order for the bolt to cycle fast enough to fire before the bullet exits, the rifle would need to fire 600 rounds per second, or 36,000 rpm. If you take into account the uneven acceleration of the bullet, this value comes closer to 40-45,000 rpm, just to have two bullets in the barrel simultaneously. Alternatively, you could have a 70 foot barrel. Either way, you're right and the kids was full of B.S.
NMGonzo
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What ever happened to the customer always being right?
The customer is not always right, otherwise I would loose thousands of dollars a day.
Gouranga
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Some battles ain't worth fighting. Though some are too entertaining to pass up.
On the topic of weird animal in the house. had a dude near here bitten by a timber rattler in his house last week. He was going through tupperware containers and opened one he thought just has a lizard in it, well it has a REALLY angry timber rattler. Makes me think, how's THAT for a weight loss program? I mean if I had random unmarked tupperwear containers in my home, containing poisonous animals I would lose a TON of weight quick. That box could have a moonpie...could be a cobra...maybe I will just wait for dinner.
On the topic of weird animal in the house. had a dude near here bitten by a timber rattler in his house last week. He was going through tupperware containers and opened one he thought just has a lizard in it, well it has a REALLY angry timber rattler. Makes me think, how's THAT for a weight loss program? I mean if I had random unmarked tupperwear containers in my home, containing poisonous animals I would lose a TON of weight quick. That box could have a moonpie...could be a cobra...maybe I will just wait for dinner.
NMGonzo
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My great grandaddy fought for the Germans and could quote better than your grandaddy
Milkmaster
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That would be something to see with a slow motion camera. To actually see the minigun rounds exiting the barrel and measure to feet between them. I know you can do that with math, but it is much more cool to see it for real! There was a show on history or discover where they did things like that. I can't remember the name of the show now.
griz
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I know a guy who had a couple bullets in the barrel at one time. It was a lever action and he ended up buying a new barrel.
Back to myths. I like the ones about how one side was so crafty because they chambered their rifle or artillary piece just a little bigger than ours so they could use our ammo but not the other way around.
Back to myths. I like the ones about how one side was so crafty because they chambered their rifle or artillary piece just a little bigger than ours so they could use our ammo but not the other way around.
I've learned that it's often better just to nod in amazement and say something like "you don't say? Wow, I never heard that before. Thanks for sharing that with me."
My job is to sell guns, etc not correct the misinformation in the world. If their misperception isn't material to my job, it isn't my problem.
My job is to sell guns, etc not correct the misinformation in the world. If their misperception isn't material to my job, it isn't my problem.
1911Tuner
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Chemistry Guy...No doubt my math wasn't accurate. It was the best I could come up with off the top of my head with a 15-second notice AND keep it within the limits of his comprehension.
ny32...The simplest of Newton's Laws of action and reaction would disprove it.
Force forward=force backward. The bolt is more massive than the bullet. It can't accelerated faster than the bullet with equal force on it...and that's not even taking into account the full cycle and the spring-assisted return to battery.
I didn't know if he could grasp that concept though. He didn't sticak around long enough to find out at any rate.
Bubba...Understood, but some gunshop owners aren't as adept at holding their tongues.
The one in question has been in the business so long that he's lost all patience with those types, and he won't hesitate to call BS on BS. Or, like the old song goes:
"Them that don't know him won't like him and them that do sometimes don't know how to take him. He ain't wrong...he's just different and his pride won't let him do things to make you think he's right."
Yep. A real cowboy.
ny32...The simplest of Newton's Laws of action and reaction would disprove it.
Force forward=force backward. The bolt is more massive than the bullet. It can't accelerated faster than the bullet with equal force on it...and that's not even taking into account the full cycle and the spring-assisted return to battery.
I didn't know if he could grasp that concept though. He didn't sticak around long enough to find out at any rate.
Bubba...Understood, but some gunshop owners aren't as adept at holding their tongues.
The one in question has been in the business so long that he's lost all patience with those types, and he won't hesitate to call BS on BS. Or, like the old song goes:
"Them that don't know him won't like him and them that do sometimes don't know how to take him. He ain't wrong...he's just different and his pride won't let him do things to make you think he's right."
Yep. A real cowboy.
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