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Some jewels from a well-respected handgun magazine. American Handgunner

Discussing the recoil of the LCP using Buffalo Bore .380 "+P" ammunition: John Taffin "Ruger's LCP"
"Recoil is fierce with these loads, however they are about as potent as a .380 can be. If ever needed in a serious situation the recoil won't even be noticed."​

It is true that perception is a subjective experience. However, muzzle rise and the time to get back on target are not subjective and you'll notice them regardless of the gravity of the situation. If your first shot doesn't do the trick, then "fierce" recoil puts you at a significant disadvantage for your second shot regardless of how the seriousness of the situation alters your perception.

Discussing barrel attachments for custom handguns: Darryl Bolke "TJ's Custom Gunworks Duty Guns"
"A "flash suppressor" or "muzzle break" is designed to reduce the flash signature exiting the muzzle of a gun when fired, with the intent to help hide the shooter's location."​

The first clue that we have a problem is the fact that the author doesn't know how to spell "muzzle brake". The second is when he tries to convince us that flash suppressors and muzzle brakes are the same thing. I suppose that a muzzle brake will typically have some effect on flash suppression, but the main point of a muzzle brake is to reduce the amount of rearward recoil by redirecting the expanding gases from the discharge and using the jet effect to cancel some of the rearward motion of the firearm.
 
I haven't had a hunting or gun magazine subscription for the past 7 years for that reason. Yeah yeah I know, I'm a slow learner.
 
If I had a dime for every gunzine error, I would buy out Bill Gates.

Jim
 
Also, aren't flash hiders supposed to hide the flash from the shooter, not the target?
 
Correct--I missed that one. That's three errors in one sentence...
 
Actually I notice with a long flashhider on my 10/22 that is does make a difference in sound and flash (at least the amount of flash you get from a 22lr). That said I know there main purpose is hiding flash from the user, but at the same time its does make a difference.

An recoil I have a hard time shooting 12ga sabots at targets, but when im hunting I cant feel the recoil at all, and am able to rack the slide of my 500 just as quick as shooting birdshot. Recoil is one of those if your not thinking about it, it wont feel as bad (and you wont notice it that much).

The statements are false in theory but in practice I find at least the first one to be true. But again maybe its just me.
 
Flash-suppressors are designed to reduce the signature in low-light for everyone, except, perhaps, those in front of the muzzle, otherwise known as targets. That would, coincidentally, hide the shooter's position.

There are combination brakes/flash-suppressors manufactured, as well.

Fierce recoil is a subjective term, not a scientific phrasing. Noise and blast will also be considered in that terminology. The actual amount of muzzle rise, and the total tenths, or hundredths, of a second difference in returning to target between types of ammunition may be important in game-playing in IPSC, but has little actual value in real-world encounters.
 
The actual amount of muzzle rise, and the total tenths, or hundredths, of a second difference in returning to target between types of ammunition may be important in game-playing in IPSC, but has little actual value in real-world encounters.
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When John Taffin describes recoil as "fierce", you can bet he's not talking about something that's only going to cost you a small fraction of a second... :D

But even without knowing who the author is, it's not hard to refute the idea that fierce recoil will result in an insignificant time penalty. If you've been to a public range you've almost certainly seen shooters working with handguns that recoiled enough that the shooter had to readjust the grip after every round fired. That incurs a significant time penalty, not just small fractions of a second. And remember, that's standing, under no pressure at a firing line after having taken a careful, two-hand hold on the pistol to start with--hardly the likely circumstances in which a person would be called upon to use a tiny .380 pistol in self-defense.

People discount recoil too much. I've met one LEO who did an extensive study of LE shootings and came to the conclusion that it was absolutely critical to be able to make rapid hits. His comment on gun selection was: "Be sure not to pick a gun so powerful that it gets you killed. If you can only shoot at the bad guy twice for every time he shoots at you three times you cut down your chances of survival considerably."

And here's an interesting quote from the July/August American Handgunner
From the .35s to the .40s – They Still Call ‘Em .38s! By Mike Venturino
"...Most people in the know about such things consider the .38 Special is the minimum revolver cartridge that should be used for home/self defense. And I know for certain it is about the largest cartridge non-enthusiast people can be taught to shoot with any degree of proficiency."​
 
I'm still stuck on "fierce recoil" and ".380" used in the same sentence...
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The numbers bear out his assessment.

100grains @ 1060fps out of a 9.4oz pistol gives you only 20% less recoil velocity than you'd expect from a 12oz .357Mag (like the S&W 360PD) revolver with the typical 125gr JHP self-defense loading.

If you've never shot a revolver that light, the LCP with the Buffalobore round produces about 155% more recoil velocity than you'd get from shooting a 4"bbl steel .357Mag revolver like the GP100 or 686 with the 125gr load.
 
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Discussing the recoil of the LCP using Buffalo Bore .380 "+P" ammunition: John Taffin "Ruger's LCP"
"Recoil is fierce with these loads, however they are about as potent as a .380 can be. If ever needed in a serious situation the recoil won't even be noticed."
It is true that perception is a subjective experience. However, muzzle rise and the time to get back on target are not subjective and you'll notice them regardless of the gravity of the situation. If your first shot doesn't do the trick, then "fierce" recoil puts you at a significant disadvantage for your second shot regardless of how the seriousness of the situation alters your perception.
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He is also not taking into account the fact that if a gun is painful, punishing or even debilitating to shoot, you are not going to practice with it. The statement is even more odd considering that he himself has written of having hand and wrist problems. Practice more with the gun you are going to carry the most.
 
Recoil is fierce with these loads, however they are about as potent as a .380 can be.
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Only a Caspar Milquetoast would complain about recoil from a 380 anyway. Hell, even if I thought the recoil from a 380 was fierce, I would keep my mouth shut.
 
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I'm still stuck on "fierce recoil" and ".380" used in the same sentence

Only a ***** would complain about recoil from a 380 anyway

Out of the majority of guns I'd agree. The LCP, and probably the P3AT it was based on, are not pleasant guns to shoot, IMO. It's not the same experience as .357 Magnum out of a J-frame, but it's not something I like to do for 100 rounds at a time, either.

jm
 
The LCP, and probably the P3AT it was based on, are not pleasant guns to shoot, IMO. It's not the same experience as .357 Magnum out of a J-frame, but it's not something I like to do for 100 rounds at a time, either.
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Next time you go shooting, tell your mama to put you in some boxers and not frilly pink panties!!!:evil:
 
Next time you go shooting, take off your frilly pink panties and put on some boxers first!
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Next time try reading the thread before responding.

As I pointed out, the numbers demonstrate that you're getting recoil similar to .357Mag out of an Airweight revolver when you combine the LCP with the Buffalobore ammo.
 
No sense of humor today John? The devil face at the end of my post should have been a tip off!

I guess the good thing about shooting buffalo bore thru an LCP or Keltec is that you don't have to worry about shooting too much of it. I doubt those little guns would hold up for many of those.
 
Only a Caspar Milquetoast would complain about recoil from a 380 anyway. Hell, even if I thought the recoil from a 380 was fierce, I would keep my mouth shut.
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Ever fire a P3 or LCP with a really warm load?

While "fierce" isn't my choice of words for it, "pleasant" is not an adjective that comes to mind, either.

I have a Desert Eagle .50, a Super Redhawk .454, featherweight pistol-gripped shotguns, a 7 pound Remington in .375 Ultra and a host of other guns that more than let you know you've pulled the trigger. While the P3 with heavy loads is not nearly as brutal as those guns, I seldom find myself wanting to put more than a few mags downrange in one session.
 
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I purchased 3 gun magazines today. (Glock Annual, Guns & American Handgunner).

I do not understand all the hate for publications that do a great job of introducing more folks into shooting than almost any other form of current media. In fact they are about the only positive media about guns on the market today. Are there mistakes, of course but overall gun magazines are a huge asset.

I would think that most folks who criticize are just jealous that they do not earn a living shooting and writing about firearms. Bashing gun magazines does nothing to help support shooting and firearms in general. Maybe we would be better off sticking together in the days ahead instead of turning on the only media we have on our side.
 
"Only a Caspar Milquetoast would complain about recoil from a 380 anyway. Hell, even if I thought the recoil from a 380 was fierce, I would keep my mouth shut."

Wow what a man you are.

IMO a real "man" would say what he felt and not worry about it making him look weak.
 
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I'm still boggled by the "fierce recoil" I can't imagine what they'd think of that one shot man destroyer the 9X18
 
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