Flyboy
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"And now," as Paul Harvey would say, "the rest of the story:"
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20050119.shtml
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20050119.shtml
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Preacherman
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Hmmm... just how did this person get into the Marines, anyway?
sturmruger
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It sounds to me like we are lucky they got this guy when they did. I think he was planning to go out in an even bigger bang.
Old Dog
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We -- the Armed Forces -- are a reflection of society. We draw from every segment, every culture in every one of our communities ...
I'm sure we've brought in a lot of gangbangers ... Many of these young people are quite bright ... but, absent a pattern of contact with law enforcement and any convictions, many are eligible for enlistment -- and, in fact, do so ...
I can confirm that while serving in one military police job in the early/mid '90s, I apprehended and interviewed numerous active duty personnel who affirmed that they maintained their gang affiliations -- while continuing to serve on active duty. It's sad, but true.
I don't believe this problem is anywhere near as bad as it was in the early/mid '90s and is probably pretty isolated. At some point, someone in the chain of command is going to detect junior personnel still trying to maintain the gang lifestyle. But, depending on the base, and the size of the nearby communities (Camp Pendleton comes to mind), it may be more difficult (for a while) for the chain of command to detect gang involvement, particularly among the younger military (and, I'd submit, gangbangers in the military would be almost exclusively a first-term enlisted thing -- difficult to believe any careerist would even try to stay involved in a criminal lifestyle).
thorn726
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OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i had to listen to some idiot talk about how bad it must be that this guy killed himself, and I knew there was more to it, nobody kills themselves like that unless they are NUTS.
but this takes the cake, HOLY SCREWY MEDIA
a whole nation has had the wool pulled over its eyes.
this had NOTHING to do with Iraq, it was a messed up kid.
i had to listen to some idiot talk about how bad it must be that this guy killed himself, and I knew there was more to it, nobody kills themselves like that unless they are NUTS.
but this takes the cake, HOLY SCREWY MEDIA
a whole nation has had the wool pulled over its eyes.
this had NOTHING to do with Iraq, it was a messed up kid.
Standing Wolf
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Viva la Raza, right?
Fred Fuller
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OGs sometimes encourage young gang members or prospective members to join the military, or try to recruit active duty service members or dependents. That gets them some fast track training in modern mayhem to start with, and later results in access to military stuff to steal, to help equip the homies. Or it provides smuggling and distribution opportunities for drugs. One enlistment later and they are back on the block with some skills to teach and some material to pass out. Plus they have been paid, fed, housed and clothed the whole time.
For example:
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/6_05/local_news/4709-1.html
snip===Rodriguez also addressed the problem of gang members in the military. While it is not uncommon for gang members to join the military to receive military training, he said he does not know personally of gangs recruiting military personnel to join their ranks.
Through other classes he has attended, Rodriguez said he's heard of individuals who are in the military who may have had a past in gang behavior, but were not necessarily coming into the military for gang education ñ to gain more information.
"But once they find themselves in the military, since they already had the mentality and the background of being a gang member, maybe back home they were not the 'top dog,' but once they come to a new location, a new base, maybe they say, 'You know what, if I can start my own gang, I can be the top dog,'" Rodriguez said. "And then he can form his own set and align himself with some other gang.
"Then you may have some obviously coming into the military with the purpose of getting trained, getting educated in tactics, in weapons, in logistics and what not, so they can take that back to their gang, or at least pass it on to make that gang more powerful," he said. ===snip
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http://www.velocity.net/~acekc/CCC Gang Book - Main Text.htm
Chicago Crime Commission
Gangs- Public Enemy #1
snip===GANGS IN THE MILITARY
Military posts are a microcosm of the society as a whole, so it was simply a matter of time before gangs began to infiltrate the military communities. Military dependents are a high risk group in themselves, because their families move often and are somewhat isolated from other civilian families. Dependent children frequently turn to groups which accept them readily. Gangs view the military communities as sources of steady revenue through sales of narcotics or as a pool of potential victims. Active-duty military members are targeted by gang members because of their access to weapons and ammunition. Gangs also use active-duty service members to distribute their drugs. With the potential drug market overseas, gangs are quick to employ active-duty members as couriers and for easy access to military post offices and transportation. Military enlistment standards today are higher than ever before. Most gang members fail to qualify for service, because a background check can reveal criminal activity. However, gang members and others with non-felony criminal records have, in the past, been allowed to join the armed services. The Navy has reported that since November, 1991, four sailors have been shot, eight stabbed, 24 robbed and 48 beaten. In the past year-and-a-half, four sailors have been shot and killed in Long Beach. All incidents were determined as gang-related. In November and December of 1989, the Air Force Office of Special Investigations identified a female gang on a base in Washington known as the "Fly Girl Posse" gang. The gang was comprised of both Navy and Air Force, Caucasian, Black and Asian dependents. In 1991, fifteen USAF dependents on a base in Alabama were identified as associated Crips gang members. In October of 1991, the main gate guard of a California USAF base reported he had been the target of a drive-by shooting by local gang members. In August of 1991, nine people were murdered at a Buddhist Temple. Civilian gang members from Tucson, Arizona were arrested but released for lack of evidence. Two USAF dependents were suspected of taking part in the slayings. They were members of the "After Midnight" gang which is affiliated with the Mexican Mafia. The Army reported that a man arrested by the Minneapolis Police Department was in possession of a Military ID card. The man related that he obtained the active-duty ID card from a member of the Vice Lords. In 1992, an active-duty soldier, stationed in Germany, was involved in a drive-by shooting while home on leave in Aurora, Illinois. The soldier was the unwitting driver of the vehicle in which several members of the Latin Kings gang were riding. The shooting victim was a member of the Maniac Latin Disciples, a rival gang.===snip
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...and so on.
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For example:
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/6_05/local_news/4709-1.html
snip===Rodriguez also addressed the problem of gang members in the military. While it is not uncommon for gang members to join the military to receive military training, he said he does not know personally of gangs recruiting military personnel to join their ranks.
Through other classes he has attended, Rodriguez said he's heard of individuals who are in the military who may have had a past in gang behavior, but were not necessarily coming into the military for gang education ñ to gain more information.
"But once they find themselves in the military, since they already had the mentality and the background of being a gang member, maybe back home they were not the 'top dog,' but once they come to a new location, a new base, maybe they say, 'You know what, if I can start my own gang, I can be the top dog,'" Rodriguez said. "And then he can form his own set and align himself with some other gang.
"Then you may have some obviously coming into the military with the purpose of getting trained, getting educated in tactics, in weapons, in logistics and what not, so they can take that back to their gang, or at least pass it on to make that gang more powerful," he said. ===snip
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http://www.velocity.net/~acekc/CCC Gang Book - Main Text.htm
Chicago Crime Commission
Gangs- Public Enemy #1
snip===GANGS IN THE MILITARY
Military posts are a microcosm of the society as a whole, so it was simply a matter of time before gangs began to infiltrate the military communities. Military dependents are a high risk group in themselves, because their families move often and are somewhat isolated from other civilian families. Dependent children frequently turn to groups which accept them readily. Gangs view the military communities as sources of steady revenue through sales of narcotics or as a pool of potential victims. Active-duty military members are targeted by gang members because of their access to weapons and ammunition. Gangs also use active-duty service members to distribute their drugs. With the potential drug market overseas, gangs are quick to employ active-duty members as couriers and for easy access to military post offices and transportation. Military enlistment standards today are higher than ever before. Most gang members fail to qualify for service, because a background check can reveal criminal activity. However, gang members and others with non-felony criminal records have, in the past, been allowed to join the armed services. The Navy has reported that since November, 1991, four sailors have been shot, eight stabbed, 24 robbed and 48 beaten. In the past year-and-a-half, four sailors have been shot and killed in Long Beach. All incidents were determined as gang-related. In November and December of 1989, the Air Force Office of Special Investigations identified a female gang on a base in Washington known as the "Fly Girl Posse" gang. The gang was comprised of both Navy and Air Force, Caucasian, Black and Asian dependents. In 1991, fifteen USAF dependents on a base in Alabama were identified as associated Crips gang members. In October of 1991, the main gate guard of a California USAF base reported he had been the target of a drive-by shooting by local gang members. In August of 1991, nine people were murdered at a Buddhist Temple. Civilian gang members from Tucson, Arizona were arrested but released for lack of evidence. Two USAF dependents were suspected of taking part in the slayings. They were members of the "After Midnight" gang which is affiliated with the Mexican Mafia. The Army reported that a man arrested by the Minneapolis Police Department was in possession of a Military ID card. The man related that he obtained the active-duty ID card from a member of the Vice Lords. In 1992, an active-duty soldier, stationed in Germany, was involved in a drive-by shooting while home on leave in Aurora, Illinois. The soldier was the unwitting driver of the vehicle in which several members of the Latin Kings gang were riding. The shooting victim was a member of the Maniac Latin Disciples, a rival gang.===snip
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...and so on.
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Double Naught Spy
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The lack of the marine's ability to fight effectively stood out in the video. He did not fight like a person who had seen combat. His weapon use was less than terribly effective, firing from the hip and spraying wide areas. He did not make good use of cover.
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