Mosin M38 Nagant
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cracked butt
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Try Aim Surplus.
I bought anice one from them last month, they might still have them.
I bought anice one from them last month, they might still have them.
ocabj
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Wow. I was checking all the usual links. Where did all the M38s go? Half a year ago M38s were plentiful.
It appears Century Arms has them. $79.87 for "excellent condition".
It appears Century Arms has them. $79.87 for "excellent condition".
cracked butt
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In the last Century Flyer I received- about 2 months ago, they had about 3 or 4 different grades of M38s.
ocabj
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They still do: excellent, very good, good, good w/ cracked stock.
It's all on their new online catalog (need dealer account to access though).
jobu07
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Another option... this is definatly gunshow season! 
Redlg155
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I'm picky about them, so I tend to look at gunshows.
If you get to look through them you might get lucky and get a M38 stocked one instead of the M44 stock. You can tell the difference since the M38 stock doesn't have the bayo cutout for the folding bayonnet.
I'm still looking for one myself with the 38 stock.
Good Shooting
Red
If you get to look through them you might get lucky and get a M38 stocked one instead of the M44 stock. You can tell the difference since the M38 stock doesn't have the bayo cutout for the folding bayonnet.
I'm still looking for one myself with the 38 stock.
Good Shooting
Red
ocabj
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Too bad Aztec doesn't have any more M38s. I got my two M38s from Aztec (with correct stocks). Nice small Aztec import marks, too.
Bear Gulch
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Century has them but they are going fast.
Keitha
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They are still on Classic Arms web site. I just got a nice one a couple of weeks ago.
Zeke Menuar
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I got both of my M38's from Big 5. One has the correct stock, no bayo groove.
ZM
ZM
El Rojo
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I want a M38 to add to my 91/30 and M44, so what is the difference?
Zeke Menuar
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Some M38's were put together at Ivan's arsenal with M44 stocks. Not a very big deal. In my experience the M38's without the groove for the bayonet are harder to find. My correctly stocked M38 was the display model.
BTW the fireball is just as big.
ZM
Wholesale Guns and Ammo has Russians M38s for 99.99 each.
www.gunsnammo.com
www.gunsnammo.com
jobu07
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I bought my M38 at a gunshow for $60 bucks out the door. It's a rearsenaled, but it looks brand spankin' new. It also has the correct stock. I was pleased, even more so when it came with all of the correct accessories. I'm not sure i'd have bought it if it came wearing a M44 stock... That's what my M44 is for...
pinetree64
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Got mine from Centiury last week. Got the Excellent for $79. The hardwood stock not the laminate. Mine is the M-38 stock not the 44. I am very happy with the condition for $79. The metal is in excellent shape. The stock has aome flaking of the shellac, bit no real damage or marring. Shot it yesterday for the first time. 2' to the right, but ok, time to drift the front sight. Tried re-shallacing the stock last night. It didn't blend as well as I wanted.
Overall impression. I'm still a Mauser guy. The MN is cool becase of its size and simplicity, but my next C&R will be another Mauser.
tjg
Overall impression. I'm still a Mauser guy. The MN is cool becase of its size and simplicity, but my next C&R will be another Mauser.
tjg
DMK
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The M38 was a carbine that was issued at the same time as the M91/30. It was issued similarly to the US M1 carbine, to soldiers who did not have a primary job of shooting their rifle, but were in danger of being attacked by the enemy and needed to be able to defend their post. It did not have a bayonette issued with it.
The M44 came about came about later in the way after it was found that the long 91/30 was not really suitable for fighting in urban combat. There was also the discovery of combat being more fluid and did not take place at the extreme long ranges that were expected before The Great Patriotic War (WWII). The model 1944 is pretty much just a model 1938 with a bayonette permanently attached. The M44 carbine was issued as afront line weapon in place of the 91/30 rifle and therefore the bayonette was required. The M44 was issued to front line troops until it was replaced by the AK47.
I really like the M91/59s too if you can find them. These are M91/30 rifles that were cut down to carbines when they were refurbed (I assume in 1959). There is no bayonette for the 91/59. The story on these isn't clear, but it seems pretty logical that at the end of WWII, there were large numbers of 91/30s that were either never issued or recovered when they were replaced with M44s. These were sent back to the arsenals, refurbed into carbines and stored for issue to reserve and militia units in the event of another war in Europe. There is no proof that I'm aware of, that these were ever issued to any troops.
Here are a few pics of the 91/59 and 1938 side by side to show the differences:
http://home.mchsi.com/~davidkoch/carbines/
El Rojo
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Holy Crap Batman!
I think I already have a M38! I thought it was a M44 all this time. Let me take some pictures and you guys tell me.
Wait! I was just taking the pictures when I noticed the import markings out on the barrel. Sure enough it says "M38 RUSSIAN 7.62x54R" "C.A.I ST ALB VT"
Can you believe I had a M38 all of this time and didn't even know it? Its a good thing I didn't buy a M38 to complete my collection. Now I have to get a M44. Where can I get a nice M44 for cheap with my C&R?
So I paid $125 for this thing back in the late 1990s or early 2000s. I think it has the laminated stock. It doesn't appear to have the bayonett groove, but I don't necessarily know what it looks like. Tell me what I have here boys and girls.
I think I already have a M38! I thought it was a M44 all this time. Let me take some pictures and you guys tell me.
Wait! I was just taking the pictures when I noticed the import markings out on the barrel. Sure enough it says "M38 RUSSIAN 7.62x54R" "C.A.I ST ALB VT"
Can you believe I had a M38 all of this time and didn't even know it? Its a good thing I didn't buy a M38 to complete my collection. Now I have to get a M44. Where can I get a nice M44 for cheap with my C&R?
So I paid $125 for this thing back in the late 1990s or early 2000s. I think it has the laminated stock. It doesn't appear to have the bayonett groove, but I don't necessarily know what it looks like. Tell me what I have here boys and girls.
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mohavejoe
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M38
I bought a very nicely factory refurbished '38 from AIM, and another nice one from BIG 5....though I had to look through 3 boxes to find it. The varnish on the stock of the first one was flaking off all over; 
the second one had rust spots on many of its metal parts.
I bought a very nicely factory refurbished '38 from AIM,
and another nice one from BIG 5....though I had to look through 3 boxes to find it. The varnish on the stock of the first one was flaking off all over; the second one had rust spots on many of its metal parts.
DMK
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Yea El Rojo, that's a very nice M38 with an M44 stock (which is very common). How's the muzzle on that? A lot of them were counterbored. If you have a nice crown right at the end of the barrel, you did well indeed.
The fact that you already have an M38 and need an M44 is actually good news for you since a lot more M44s were made and they are cheaper. You can get a one for $60 from http://www.aztecguns.com/Rifles.htm
Keep in mind that M44s were made by a lot of different countries, kind of like SKS and AKs. You may want a Russian one to keep your collection all Russian or you may not care. They all seem to be of equal quality (some examples very nicely assemble, some very crude, like most Warsaw Pact weapons). The Polish M44s seem to have the nicest fit and finish overall and have really nice wood.
This is a Russian M44. Notice the flip out bayonette permanently attached to the right side of the barrel.
The fact that you already have an M38 and need an M44 is actually good news for you since a lot more M44s were made and they are cheaper. You can get a one for $60 from http://www.aztecguns.com/Rifles.htm
Keep in mind that M44s were made by a lot of different countries, kind of like SKS and AKs. You may want a Russian one to keep your collection all Russian or you may not care. They all seem to be of equal quality (some examples very nicely assemble, some very crude, like most Warsaw Pact weapons). The Polish M44s seem to have the nicest fit and finish overall and have really nice wood.
This is a Russian M44. Notice the flip out bayonette permanently attached to the right side of the barrel.
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armoredman
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Nice M38 - mine is a 1942, and grand fun!
El Rojo
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How do you know it is a M44 stock? I can't see what you are referring to.
Nevermind, I saw it when I looked at it again.
Nevermind, I saw it when I looked at it again.
El Rojo
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One more thing, I lost the front receiver screw on my M38. Any good suggestions where to get a new one? I also need a new handguard retaining spring for my Yugo Mauser 48A (I have discovered that a K98 retaining spring is not the same).
here are some links for Mosin nagant parts
Tennessee Gun Parts
this company sells parts for dang near every weapon ever made LOL
Numrich GPC
Tennessee Gun Parts
this company sells parts for dang near every weapon ever made LOL
Numrich GPC
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