Mosin Nagant 91/30 Hunting Rifle & Handload Build

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Last year i bought a 91/30 from JGsales. I had them hand select for rifling and crown. It's a 43/45 Hex Receiver Ishevsk with Ministry of Defense markings. The /45 means it was re-arsenalled in 1945.

I took it to my backwoods range and shot 4" groups shooting off my knee from a sitting position using Russian 148gr fmj.

Last week i took it down and took a 1/2" socket and sanded out the channel until i could slip a piece of paper all the way down the barrel without it touching. I then added a tiny amount of automotive cork material to the very end of the stock to keep the barrel from touching when fired.

Then i disassembled the trigger mechanism and polished up 4 contact points using a dremel with a wire wheel attachment and 400 grit sandpaper. It went from a long creepy 6 stage trigger to a long smooth 1 stage trigger. It also seemed to have lightened the overall pull a bit. I may shim the trigger to shorten it by about half but haven't decided for sure.

These two jobs took about an hour altogether.

I learned that the rear sight base is on an 11mm dovetail rail. It just so happens that all .22lr optics use 2/3" rails which is pretty much 11mm. Most pistol and scout type scopes are 1" tubes on 2/3" bases. How convenient.

Next i searched high and low for a Leupold fx2 2.5x scout scope. I knew i didn't want to modify the rifle in any way, so no drilling, tapping, and turning down the bolt handle. Yes, there are 40 million of them, but this one is mine... I don't want to bubba the thing. I finally found one that had been advertised 6 months ago on northwestfirearms.com (OR, WA, ID Craigslist for guns :)). I sent him an e-mail and asked he still had it. I got it for $200 (vs $400 retail), it's never been mounted before.

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Next i took off the rear sight. There is a pin to punch out, then if it's not soldered (about 1/2 arent') you tap it off. Mine was silver soldered. A quick trip to my father in law's place, a few minutes with torch, maul, and brass punch and she's off.
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With Weaver medium rings i have barely less than 1mm clearance from the rear of the scope to the receiver. Most people buy expensive rail mounts that have the scope too high in the air and ruins the cheek weld. I don't understand why. Anyway, I gave it a few whacks with the palm of my hand and i'm confident it won't touch. The good news is the scope is leupold and if i break it, they replace it. Nice folks.

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Next i sourced some PRVI ammo locally as well as WWB soft points with brass casing & boxer primers. I hit the range on a nice day and 60 rounds later and a very sore shoulder i have some brass and a distinct impression that the prvi 150g (2.5moa) shoots far better than Winchester white box 180g softpoints (4.5moa).

At this point I've scoured my reloading manuals and the internet for knowledge and picked up a box of Barnes TSX 150g .311 bullets, some Winchester standard large rifle primers, and a bottle of Varget and that's where i sit.

Last night i barely seated a bullet (in an empty casing) after full length sizing and trimming and chambered it, then extracted and measured to 3.090. Barnes recommends seating the bullet with the ogive .050 off the lands so my plan is to load up 6 batches of 5 rounds each with the following:

48g, 49g and 50g varget at 3.060, 3.050, and 3.040

Obviously i'll start with the lightest charge and longest COL and work up to higher pressures barring signs of overpressure and take notes on both group sizes and velocity.

There isn't much good reloading data for my combination, my Lee manual has data using .308 bullets, Barnes has nothing, Hogdon has nothing. quickLOAD suggests a maximum load of 51.2 grains with a COL of 2.880 so i think i'm pretty safe at 50 and a significantly longer OAL. As an aside, the longest COL i've found in a military or commercial round is 3.03.

Any thoughts or suggestions? I'm pretty new to reloading. If i can keep this rifle to 2.5 or better MOA it's likely my deer and elk gun this fall.

Thanks for reading.
 
2 inch groups are just fine for hunting. I use Privi 150 gr sp ammo in my M39 and my 1937 91/30 and it shoots right around one inch at 100 yards. Why reload when the gun/ammo shoot this good. I intend to reload the Privi brass with 308 bullets as the muzzle check on the M39 with a 3006 cartridge, shows 3/16th of an inch. Just about the same as my Springfield 03. Lots of bullets there. I have never shot a deer over 70 yards so long distance accuracy is not required for me. Besides, I have old eyes. I enjoy the stalk as well as pulling the trigger.....Enjoy your rifle. You have a good one there.....chris3
 
Thanks ball3006. Two reasons i'm hand-loading my hunting rounds. 1st, my wife asked that i started hunting with lead-free ammunition. 2nd, it's fun and i've been wanting to get into it for a long time.

I honestly don't think there is a tremendous risk with lead bullets. I've been eating deer & elk since i could chew and never in my life crunched a fragment. Still, Barnes X bullets are a fantastic bullet by all accounts and i'm happy to make her happy :)
 
It's good to see someone that will modify a MN and won't hack and chop it up out of respect.
I use a micro file set to do the brunt work and a pen fine knife sharpener for the final smooth down on my triggers. It is very easy and has been working for a while now. Something that might be easier to work with than a Dremal setup.
Unfortunately I have a 91/30 that was given to me due to a broken stock..... What am I saying? I have a base, a gun that needs fixin, and a wild idea..... It's game on.
I also have a M38 that is all original except the M44 stock and hardened Allen head screws and aluminum pillar bed job I did.... She shoots about 2 in @ 100 on rest.
 
That was a great job and a great report. My only problem is...how did you mount the scope. I'm trying to see by the picture, but can't see if the rings are mounted between the old sight mounts or down or on the side. Forgive me for my ramblings. As I get older, I need more pictures. I have two 91/30s and one M44, all stock and all shoot well. I replaced the trigger in one and it helped a lot. I sure would like to mount a scope like you did if I could figure out how you installed the rings. Thanks for the help.

Dave :confused::)
 
That was a great job and a great report. My only problem is...how did you mount the scope. I'm trying to see by the picture, but can't see if the rings are mounted between the old sight mounts or down or on the side. Forgive me for my ramblings. As I get older, I need more pictures. I have two 91/30s and one M44, all stock and all shoot well. I replaced the trigger in one and it helped a lot. I sure would like to mount a scope like you did if I could figure out how you installed the rings. Thanks for the help.

Dave :confused::)
Hi Dave. As it turns out the rear sight is mounted on an 11mm rail which is perfect for .22 cal rings.. I used weaver tip off's and they mounted right on there. My gap between the receiver and the bottom of the scope is pretty small, but it is on there very firm and i noticed no issues when shooting.

*edit* these are the rings i am using: http://www.amazon.com/Weaver-Ring-Gloss-Split-49440/dp/B000KOW5N6 - they mount perfectly to the rail the current rear sight is affixed to.
 
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Thanks again, I think I can do something like that to mine now and have a better hunting rifle. Take care and post some more gun work as you do it.

Dave :eek::)
 
nice thread.

cool build. i like the pics and explanations.

now ima hafta get me some 7.62 rimmed dies (thanx alot :)
 
I am NOT AT ALL a fan of "sporterizing", as I collect, but I most certainly belive in using my Mosin's to their retirement. I also see nothing wrong with adding a scope and such in a way that I could restore what I collect to its original configuration, so I must say;

Damn good job! A great way to get all the use while retaining the ability to keep it original. That I DO Like. :D

Someday I may need a scope on a Mosin, my mid Forty eyes might change someday, and Ive been contemplating Scoping an M-39 , Though being inthe Arctic, Im looking for a way to do so and keep the rear sight on for back up purposes.
 
I am NOT AT ALL a fan of "sporterizing", as I collect, but I most certainly belive in using my Mosin's to their retirement. I also see nothing wrong with adding a scope and such in a way that I could restore what I collect to its original configuration, so I must say;

Damn good job! A great way to get all the use while retaining the ability to keep it original. That I DO Like. :D

Someday I may need a scope on a Mosin, my mid Forty eyes might change someday, and Ive been contemplating Scoping an M-39 , Though being inthe Arctic, Im looking for a way to do so and keep the rear sight on for back up purposes.
Caribou,
If you scope your Mosin and still want a back up iron, check this out http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470939291&pf_rd_i=507846

I believe they are more for the AR crowd, but would fit if you put a rail system. I'm kicking the idea of getting one for my M-44 and moving the red dot a bit further up the rail.

Mosin purists, avert thine eyes:
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