Good, okay, bad, respectively. The bends must be sharp for the clips to be worth a damn.
And I'd hate to think of a $100 Mosin taking $150 SVT magazines. Unless I could buy a couple dozen Mosins and scrounge the magazines off 'em.
Mosin-Nagant stripper clips, again.
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Good, okay, bad, respectively. The bends must be sharp for the clips to be worth a damn.
And I'd hate to think of a $100 Mosin taking $150 SVT magazines. Unless I could buy a couple dozen Mosins and scrounge the magazines off 'em.
Gord
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Well, in my mind (which knows absolutely nothing about engineering and isn't even that mechanically inclined) one would simply need to make a replacement triggerguard piece with a cutout for a mag and some sort of retention clip; (possibly) inlet the stock to fit a magazine if it wouldn't fit in an unmodified stock; and work out reliably feeding from the bolt.
Then again, I'm also the guy who wonders how difficult it'd be to file off the interruptor and make a device to fit in place of the bolt to make the Mosin an autoloader, so...
Even if either of these concepts ended up costing several hundred dollars, it's still a heck of a lot cheaper than buying an actual SVT. I'd certainly be in for a couple. And, hell, we've even got the Pedersen Device as a precedent.
Edit: Wikipedia sez:
Then again, I'm also the guy who wonders how difficult it'd be to file off the interruptor and make a device to fit in place of the bolt to make the Mosin an autoloader, so...
Even if either of these concepts ended up costing several hundred dollars, it's still a heck of a lot cheaper than buying an actual SVT. I'd certainly be in for a couple. And, hell, we've even got the Pedersen Device as a precedent.
Edit: Wikipedia sez:
Picknlittle
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I bought ten at a Nashville gun show a few months ago. They are perfectly straight, no dents , dings or twist. They do work, but not well enough to make me want to use them.
The stripper clips for the SKS are pure magic in contrast.
The stripper clips for the SKS are pure magic in contrast.
BridgeWalker
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Glad someone decided to revive this old thread. I thought I was doing something wrong because I can't get mine to work well. Now I know.
the rimmed X54 round makes magazines dificult. even the single stack fixed magazine is prone to rim lock
how ever. i am willing to consider trying to build something
now comes the question, what type of single stackmagazines are out there of this size.
7.62X39 WASR singles would be too short. maybe a saiga 12 mag? too short? 7.62x54r is 3 inches top to base if im not mistaken. 308 is 2.8... 8 mm mauser is like 3.2 ... 303 brit is 3... 7.5 swiss is 3 also. any of these have single stacks?
how ever. i am willing to consider trying to build something
now comes the question, what type of single stackmagazines are out there of this size.
7.62X39 WASR singles would be too short. maybe a saiga 12 mag? too short? 7.62x54r is 3 inches top to base if im not mistaken. 308 is 2.8... 8 mm mauser is like 3.2 ... 303 brit is 3... 7.5 swiss is 3 also. any of these have single stacks?
I have been using these brass strippers that I bought from this Gunbroker seller. I haven't used them too much, yet, however, I haven't had any problems with them.
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=85276244
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=85276244
Gord
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Hoppy590 said:
Not that I've done much reading on 'em, but the SVD/PSL/ etc etc mags must be at least halfway reliable, one would think.
Spiggy
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these are what mine look like. These guys came out of cheese-wedge boxes with really corroded ammo.
*Note, I'm using a Tula marked stripper clip, also I made it in two angles if you want to study my reloading method. -I know it looks fast, I've had some practice for reenacting
Oh, and Yes my shirt is wrinkly, I'm in college!
Jeremy2171
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SVD and FPK mags are completely reliable...the so called "rimlock" is not the issue everyone makes it out to be...
I have plenty of original Russian clips and you don't have to "stack" them or lift the top round or do anything other than load them into the clip and then when you put the clip in the rifle just use your thumb and push the rounds straight down with your thumb at the base of the rounds/near the clip.
Once they are in the magazine it is a function of the rifle to keep them from jamming if it does then that means your rifle is NOT functioning correctly. The Mosin-Nagant design includes an ingenious feature.... The interuptor-ejector..it actually holds down the 2nd round in the mag allowing the top round to feed without hanging up on the rim.
On every new MN I buy I "stack" the rims behind each other to induce the jam. If they jam then I troubleshoot the problem....sometimes the stock is binding up the I-E and needs a little shave, one time the receiver was bent pinching the I-E so it would hardly move...I tweaked it a tad and it works smooth as glass.....
If it jams with a "rim jam" you need to look hard at the parts and see where the problem is located....
I have plenty of original Russian clips and you don't have to "stack" them or lift the top round or do anything other than load them into the clip and then when you put the clip in the rifle just use your thumb and push the rounds straight down with your thumb at the base of the rounds/near the clip.
Once they are in the magazine it is a function of the rifle to keep them from jamming if it does then that means your rifle is NOT functioning correctly. The Mosin-Nagant design includes an ingenious feature.... The interuptor-ejector..it actually holds down the 2nd round in the mag allowing the top round to feed without hanging up on the rim.
On every new MN I buy I "stack" the rims behind each other to induce the jam. If they jam then I troubleshoot the problem....sometimes the stock is binding up the I-E and needs a little shave, one time the receiver was bent pinching the I-E so it would hardly move...I tweaked it a tad and it works smooth as glass.....
If it jams with a "rim jam" you need to look hard at the parts and see where the problem is located....
Spiggy
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Jeremy, +1
Shimming your magazine and receiver should help
Shimming your magazine and receiver should help
Cosmoline
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The interruptor/ejector is often worn down or not functioning properly, though. Plus there is considerable variation in the shape of the 54R cartridge itself so some rounds will rimlock while others don't. Magazine springs get weak and enough play develops during recoil so rims can stack the wrong way. The Finns developed a "jam free" variation to deal with the problem and I have noticed fewer difficulties with Finns. But the most reliable method is to use the wing shape in the clips to make sure they go into the mag in the proper stack. Also pushing straight down with the thumb won't even work with Finnish stripper clips.
Cosmoline
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I worked up some:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=146286
I got those Woodleigh 215's cooking. My bottom line was "50 grains of IMR 4350, hand pressed with a COL of 2.85 to keep the ogive out of the rifling"
I've backed off the load a bit as it's pretty hot and chrono'd out to over 2,450 fps. That speed is actually over the suggested impact velocity of the Woodleighs. I still have a few boxes with about 47 grains of powder ready for use as moderate-range moose or bear hunting loads. I've been living too civilized lately to get a chance to use them though.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=146286
I got those Woodleigh 215's cooking. My bottom line was "50 grains of IMR 4350, hand pressed with a COL of 2.85 to keep the ogive out of the rifling"
I've backed off the load a bit as it's pretty hot and chrono'd out to over 2,450 fps. That speed is actually over the suggested impact velocity of the Woodleighs. I still have a few boxes with about 47 grains of powder ready for use as moderate-range moose or bear hunting loads. I've been living too civilized lately to get a chance to use them though.
Jeremy2171
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Check your rifle.....I load a clip with the rims stacked behind each other then use the thumb and shove them straight down into the mag (no problems) then cycle all five rounds through the weapon pretty as you please....
If it won't do that then it gets fixed...."all" of my rifles are completely reliable with the rims in any position and my Russian clips work slick as glass.....
AZAndy
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J&G has stainless ones for $1.95. Got some with my M38 and they work fine. They have little cutout spring strips on both sides, at both ends. They have the little arrow-in-a-triangle armory mark, so I think they're the real thing. They're not listed on the web site, though, you'd probably have to give J&G a call at 928-445-9650.
I could pick some up and mail them out, if anybody wants-- the store's about a mile from home. Wouldn't be a problem.
No fair buying them all, now; I still want a few more. ;-)
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I could pick some up and mail them out, if anybody wants-- the store's about a mile from home. Wouldn't be a problem.
No fair buying them all, now; I still want a few more. ;-)
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The arrow-in-a-triangle is the Ishy marking. I picked up a bag of 12 for $20 locally. They look brand new. I gave them a try. They worked but not a smooth operation at all. Compared to my Enfield and M1A which I always feed from strippers for the practice it was crude process. I did not have any stacking problems like some mentioned but you gotta put some muscle into it, I guess that is just the Russian way. Bill
I've got some of the generic stainless ones, and they work, but are pretty clunky. I've also got some Tikka clips, and they are PERFECT. They even spring out of the guide slot after you show the rounds down into the magazine if you do it forcefully enough.
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