Mosin-Nagant user thread

[TheDisturbed1]

I've been reading over all of the posts, and I am really considering purchasing a Mosin Nagant. What tools or accessories should I look for to come with the rifle? Also, besides the condition of the rifling, what else should I look for when looking at the gun?

usually theres an Oil Can (with 2 chambers for Oil and Solution), muzzle cap (to protect barrel when cleaning with the rod), cleaning rod, jag, cleaning rod 'handle'(2 pieces, one to fit over the end of the rod and another pin to go through the rod and other piece), a nifty tool thats identifyable by its shape and screwdriver blade.. thats mostly what ya get

For a new Mosin owner, I'd download this for referance or just keepsake: http://stevespages.com/pdf/mosin-nagant.pdf

Good luck!

 

[Lon371]

I posted early in this forum, I didnt like to take my redone M44 out. for fear of scuffing it up. As luck would have it I picked up another M44 2 weeks ago for $20.00! It has the plastic stock, Boynet removed, Barrel so fuzzy inside(the guy said he would only sell it if I would not shoot it, riiiight) After a major scubbing, there was a shiny bore under the fuzz. Shoots very low before adjustments. Left and Right are close(only had time for a few rounds) Since then I cleaned the rust off the outside, and got the Camo fever. Dont cuss me. This one is for dragging to the woods. So I turned it from a black beast, to a camo beast. Mind you these picts are not for the purest among us Sorry for the pict quality. I am igorant with the camera. It is not as green as it looks. There is actually some brown in it.

 

[Franco2shoot]

What I look for

Here's my check list..
First remove the bold. Its easy, with the bolt in the open position hold the trigger back and it will slide right out. I usually check for any abnormal wear in or around the firing pin, then set the bolt down.
Next, place a white business card or piece of paper on the floor and look down the barrel. You are looking for a clean crown and nice sharp rifeling as well as any pitting along the barrel walls. I have yet to pick one up and find a shiney barrel. They are usually dark, but this can be cleaned with some elbow work.

At this point I re-insert the bolt, holding the trigger back. Look over the stock and make certain the brass inserts are present where the dog collars pass through the stock. Now check the Arsenal marks, and serial numbers. From a collector stand point its nice if all numbers are identical, with no strike throughs, from a shooters standpoint, I don't mind if a gunsmith at Izhesvk decided that the magazine needed replacing, put a spare in and lined out the old number then re-stamped the matching number. I do care if the stock has been spliced, so check for this next. The two most common splices I've seen are the toe area of the butt, and up around the forestock.

Lastly, check to see if the sights are correct for the model you are looking at, and not some Bubbized add on's, unless you are just after a cheapo rifle. These can be swapped out and returned to original, but its a bit of a hassle.

Furniture finish is least of my concerns. There's two schools of thought, one sez leave all the tire iron scrapes and marks as is and the other is strip it down and return the wood to original sheen. Personally, I wouldn't remove any of the stamps on the stock, but there may not be any, in which case refinishing is perfectly ok.

For the record I have one of each category. A 91/30 that I purchased with the ATI conversion bolt and rail, which I refinished, and a M44 that has all matching numbers and a host of Arsenal marks on the stock that I just polished the barrel, removed all cosmoline (a two day endeavour), and just shoot for the blast it produces. The 91/30 is more accurate and getting better (almost 1 MOA @ 100 yds.)

KKKKFL

 

[eventer289]

Franco2shoot,

thanks for the reply. Are there any flaws/defects that are common to the rifles that I should look for besides the things you mentioned? Also, if parts need replacing like the extractor, are replacement parts available if there is a failure?

 

[SGW42]

Cosmoline (the user) is wonderful, and I used his thread here when I shopped for my Mosin to great success.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=335997&highlight=mosin+shopping

 

[Threejs]

I got bored tonight, and decided to take some rough pictures of my mosins. (minus one or two that I didn't feel like digging out)

Besides I figured that you guys were thinking BS walks while photos talk after I posted my last post in this thread.

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Tikka M91 1942, Izhevsk M91 1915 , New England Westinghouse M91 1915, VKT M91 1940


Left to Right
1946 Izhevsk M44
1953 Hungarian M44
1954-6 T-53
1943 Izhevsk M44
1944 Tula M44
1952 Hungarian M44


Left to Right
1942 M38 Izhevsk
1943 M91/59 Izhevsk
1943 M91/59 Izhevsk
1944 M39 VKT
1943 M38 Izhevsk


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1927 Izhevsk
1936 Tula Finn Capture Hex Reciever
1940 Tula Finn Capture
1939 Tula
1942 Tula
1938 Tula
1937 Izhevsk
1943 Izhevsk ex-sniper (PU)
1926 Tula
1944 Izhevsk ex-sniper


Hi. I'm ThreeJs, and I am a Mosiholic.

 

[Spiggy]

what ever you do, don't attempt to stack them into tripods and make a fort; you might have too much fun!

 

[squirrel sniper]

If you have that many Mosins, you are required to have at least an armory's worth of 7.62x54r, a ruskie hat, and the accent. Eh Comrades?

 

[TexasRifleman]

I feel kind of inferior posting a pic of my poor little Sako M39 with all the other collections.

But I had to start somewhere

 

[Nugilum]

Holy $&*#!!

ThreeJs,



Talk about the textbook definitions of envy and covet!

Now you just need to hook up with MRIman

 

[eventer289]

TexasRifleman, that is a really cool looking stock.

 

[Mike 56]

A man with a M39 should never feel inferior.

Mike

 

[Franco2shoot]

M44 addition

I'm finally getting the bore of my newest acquisition to shine. Open sights on a carbine are the only way to go, and I alway shoot with the pigsticker extended.

This one has more proofs stamped on it and inspector numbers than any I have seen to date. Shoots great!

KKKKFL

 

[Franco2shoot]

The square with a slash through it that is stamped on the stock indicates that this rifle was looked over by a Ukranian Depot. Does anybody know if I can find out which Ukranian Depot as there are many withing the Ukraine.
KKKKFL

 

[Mike 56]

Nice M44 is it a post war with a black extractor?

Mike

 

[Franco2shoot]

Height of the conflict

Mine is a 1944 which would put it at the point where the Soviets were taking it to the other side.
Here's some pics of the Date/Mftr.

And here's some markings I cannot explain. First a 46 up near mid bolt moving back you see the Izhvesk arrow in the triangle then a 57 and the squiglies at the back behind the rear screw.

If anyone can identify these hiroglyphics I would sure appreciate it.


KKKKFL

 

[Franco2shoot]

Could the 57 and 46 be "Year of inspection" dates?

KKKKFL

 

[eventer289]

Well I this thread inspired me to buy a Mosin, so after doing some looking around, I decided to pick up this M44.

It is in very good shape. The barrel looks to be in decent condition, it just looks different to me because I am used to the spotless shine of newer rifle barrels. I spent about 2 hours today cleaning her up and I sure can't wait to shoot it.

A short question about ammo--how do I know what is corrosive and what isn't? I'm thinking about buying a tin of Bulgarian ammo from the 1980's. Is this decent ammo, and is it corrosive?

Ok, enough talk, here are the photos.








I know what the teardrop tool is, but what are these other pieces?

 

[SimpleIsGood229]

Yes, that Bulgarian is corrosive. All military surplus is. Don't worry, though; some ammonia Windex sprayed down the bore will neutralize the salts.

 

[eventer289]

Yes, that Bulgarian is corrosive. All military surplus is. Don't worry, though; some ammonia Windex sprayed down the bore will neutralize the salts.

So it is still safe to shoot as long as I spray windex down the barrel after I am done shooting before cleaning?

 

[MiddleAgedKen]

That is correct, eventer289. Surplus is practically all I use in my M38.

 

[Threejs]

Left to right

Pin adjustment tool/screwdriver/bolt disassembly tool.
Cleaning jag
Cleaning rod handle
bore guide
cleaning rod stop thingy. (help with the t-handle for the cleaning rod, and I don't know the official name.)

Here are a couple pictures of how it all goes together.

 

[Lon371]

Nice guns! I think I need another

 

[Franco2shoot]

I push a patch or two with some windex sprayed on it from rear to front prior to leaving the range, then do a thorough clean when I get home. Took an old Hoppes orange small bottle scrapped off the Hoppes logo, and it is filled with windex. This along with a hand full of patches all goes in a ziplock baggie which I toss into the rifle carry case. Prior to leaving the range, just attach the cleaning jag and wet a patch or two, push them through and you're good to go. Just do a proper job once you get home.
KKKKFL

 

[eventer289]

One thing I have noticed about my barrel is that it has a very dull luster (inside the barrel), even after lots of cleaning and some oil. Is this normal? It looks like too that there a a few little "specks" that don't go away with cleaning. I can't really tell if it is pitting or not. Is this the normal look for a mosin nagant?