Mosin Nagant
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Caliper_Mi
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As far as i have read, the Finns never made Mosin receivers, only reused Russian ones they had captured. I believe they captured a great number of rifles when they first broke from Russia in 1918 when there were only hex receivers.
The Finns made barrels at their Tikka and Valmet factories. They also imported barrels from SIG (Swiss) and Belgium (B-barrels). All the receivers are Soviet. With the Finnish captures during WW2, some were tested and reissued as is, and some were counterbored to improve accuracy, and some were rebarreled. Many of the issued rifles were leftovers from the revolution at the end of WW1. The Finns had to issue pretty much whatever was available. I have never encountered an inaccurate Finn rifle (I have over 30 of them). The Soviet doctrine was mass attacks. I believe part of the Finnish doctrine was to respond with accurate fire as evidence by the accuracy of their rifles. Most of my Soviet rifles (carbines, M91's, and M91/30's) are at best 3-4 MOA rifles. None of my Finns shoot worse than 2.5 MOA.
caribou
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Hex Recivers, being the first type (called "Hex" reciver'd) were captured during the War of Independance, When the Soviet Union formed, replacing Tzarist Russia, Finland had broke away taking hundreds of thousands of M-91's into its newly formed Army and plenty of purchases in the 30's of WW1 surplused captures from various European powers who were selling them.
The Soviets came out with the round reciver for the 91/30 series (1930)but only Spain had any from the Soviets, before the Soviets brought round reciver'd Mosin's to Finland in their invasion of '39 "The Winter War"
I figure the Hex recivers were popular because they were tooled to build on 'em and beyound a couple runs for rebuilds on captured 91/30's,(WWII's "Contenuation war' with the Soviets, the Hex were what they had, and seem'd, to me, to preferr.......
The Finns surly improved and manufactured parts, assembling some of the finest Rifles in the world.
I use an M-39 to make my living .....
Make Mine a Finn
The Soviets came out with the round reciver for the 91/30 series (1930)but only Spain had any from the Soviets, before the Soviets brought round reciver'd Mosin's to Finland in their invasion of '39 "The Winter War"
I figure the Hex recivers were popular because they were tooled to build on 'em and beyound a couple runs for rebuilds on captured 91/30's,(WWII's "Contenuation war' with the Soviets, the Hex were what they had, and seem'd, to me, to preferr.......
The Finns surly improved and manufactured parts, assembling some of the finest Rifles in the world.
I use an M-39 to make my living .....
Make Mine a Finn
ObsidianOne
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Went shooting, love the Mosin. Shot like a champ, very accurate. Clean gun, great shape, aside from a few nicks on the stock, and a couple blemishes, she looks brand new. Shoots like a champ but damn does she kick with that metal plate on the buttstock. Any good buttstock pads made-to-fit for these? All matching serial numbers, Made in the Tula plant, date on the barrel says 1933, no rust, all clean, hex reciever.
No cleaning kit or bayonet unforunately, but not a biggie, those shouldn't be hard to find.
Any suggestions on where to buy ammo? Looks like AIMSurplus may be the cheapest. Two spam cans, wooden crate, and a can opener for $145.90 + $48.66 for shipping.
Any must buy items other than the cleaning kit?
I hear I need ammonia with Windex?
No cleaning kit or bayonet unforunately, but not a biggie, those shouldn't be hard to find.
Any suggestions on where to buy ammo? Looks like AIMSurplus may be the cheapest. Two spam cans, wooden crate, and a can opener for $145.90 + $48.66 for shipping.
Any must buy items other than the cleaning kit?
I hear I need ammonia with Windex?
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<<I hear I need ammonia with Windex?>>
ObsidianOne, if you haven't already, you need to clean your Mosin ASAP. In less than a couple hours, the corrosive salts left behind can begin damaging your rifle...you can find a few different ways to go about cleaning it online,
here's a couple examples:
http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/corrosive/index.asp
http://forum.pafoa.org/general-2/36200-cleaning-after-corrosive-ammo.html
Good luck!
ObsidianOne, if you haven't already, you need to clean your Mosin ASAP. In less than a couple hours, the corrosive salts left behind can begin damaging your rifle...you can find a few different ways to go about cleaning it online,
here's a couple examples:
http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/corrosive/index.asp
http://forum.pafoa.org/general-2/36200-cleaning-after-corrosive-ammo.html
Good luck!
snake284
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I only have one. Mine's a 91-30 with a hex receiver I got from R-Guns for $100. The round receivers were going for $85 when I got mine. I haven't shot it yet, but cleaned it up good. Caution, if you don't want to ruin the wood finish which is red shellac, take take the barreled action out of the stock and clean the metal with B-C Gun Scrubber or Brake Cleaner. Then clean the stock with soapy water or something that won't remove the finish. I screwed up and sprayed mine with brake cleaner and it took the shellac right off. Mine is in pristine condition with a patina on the metal, but no rust. It's beautiful with sharp rifling and for the most part, except for the patina, the original finish is still well intact.
Also, I agree with the potato chip analogy. Bet you can't have just one. I'm looking at buying my second one soon. The model 38s, 39s, and 44's are getting more rare, and are thus more expensive. But the 91/30s if anything seem to be getting cheaper.
Also, I agree with the potato chip analogy. Bet you can't have just one. I'm looking at buying my second one soon. The model 38s, 39s, and 44's are getting more rare, and are thus more expensive. But the 91/30s if anything seem to be getting cheaper.
BananaClip
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Gotta go with the M38,M39 or M44...In need of the huge fireball! short barrel big fire ball..hehehe I got a M44 and it's awesome..The FINN's are really nice too but cost a little more! When someone ask's "Why get a Mosin?" tellem "Why not?!". It's cheap and it's cheap.LOL. A 91/30 is also good if you're going for longer range shooting. That's a good cheap "Sniper" alternative... good luck on the hunt FYI:There's a 1941 M38 in the classfied's for $190......
FYI:There's a 1941 M38 in the classfied's for $190......
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ObsidianOne
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Yes, I've been scanning through 7.62x54r.net
Cdigman, I used non-corrosive ammo and I only shot about 6 rounds through it, don't have a cleaning kit yet and don't want to risk ruining the rifling on the barrel by just using the cleaning rod itself, since I don't have the full kit.
I will definitely keep that in mind, this is my first gun with a wooden stock and didn't think of that snake284, thanks
Anyone have any info on solutions for the hamburger meat that was my shoulder due to the metal stock end or an answer on the surplus ammo?
Cdigman, I used non-corrosive ammo and I only shot about 6 rounds through it, don't have a cleaning kit yet and don't want to risk ruining the rifling on the barrel by just using the cleaning rod itself, since I don't have the full kit.
I will definitely keep that in mind, this is my first gun with a wooden stock and didn't think of that snake284, thanks
Anyone have any info on solutions for the hamburger meat that was my shoulder due to the metal stock end or an answer on the surplus ammo?
USAF_Vet
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For anyone in the Kalamazoo, Michigan area, Gander Mtn. Has a M-38 or M-39 (didn't look it over too much) listed as an M91/30 selling for $175.
ObsidianOne
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<<<Anyone have any info on solutions for the hamburger meat that was my shoulder due to the metal stock end or an answer on the surplus ammo?>>>
You can buy a "Winchester" branded version of the Limbsaver slip-on recoil butt pad covers from Walmart, for about $20..they work well on the M91/30's and I consider them mandatory for the M38's and M44's!
As far as ammo goes:
http://gun-deals.com/ammo is a good resource.
You can buy a "Winchester" branded version of the Limbsaver slip-on recoil butt pad covers from Walmart, for about $20..they work well on the M91/30's and I consider them mandatory for the M38's and M44's!
As far as ammo goes:
http://gun-deals.com/ammo is a good resource.
towboat_er
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Cdigman......... Great link. Thanks
For cleaning mine, this has given me the best results:
Pumped like 10 sprays of Windex down the reciever end, holding the barrel to the ground and let it run down. Let that happen for like a minute.
Ran the bore brush through 10-15 times.
Ran 3 or 4 patches through it.
Dipped the bore brush in Hoppes #9 and ran it through like 20 times. Let it sit for a few minutes and then ran patches until I found a few "clean" ones.
As far as I can tell, you will never pull a 100% clean patch through the gun.
Soaked a patch or two in Hoppes and ran it through the barrel, let it sit for about 5 minutes. Then ran more patches until they were "clean".
Ran a patch of Ballsitol through.
I also just cleaned the bolt in a similar way, Windex, Hoppes, and Ballistol. Used patches and a jag to get into the tight spots.
Worked like a charm. Its been two weeks since that cleaning and the bore, bolt, and anything else that corrosive material could have touched look 100%.
Pumped like 10 sprays of Windex down the reciever end, holding the barrel to the ground and let it run down. Let that happen for like a minute.
Ran the bore brush through 10-15 times.
Ran 3 or 4 patches through it.
Dipped the bore brush in Hoppes #9 and ran it through like 20 times. Let it sit for a few minutes and then ran patches until I found a few "clean" ones.
As far as I can tell, you will never pull a 100% clean patch through the gun.
Soaked a patch or two in Hoppes and ran it through the barrel, let it sit for about 5 minutes. Then ran more patches until they were "clean".
Ran a patch of Ballsitol through.
I also just cleaned the bolt in a similar way, Windex, Hoppes, and Ballistol. Used patches and a jag to get into the tight spots.
Worked like a charm. Its been two weeks since that cleaning and the bore, bolt, and anything else that corrosive material could have touched look 100%.
Hanzo581
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Buds seems to have gotten some back in stock so I jumped on it. I hope I get a nice one.
On a side note I stopped by a LGS near my inlaws to see if they had any in stock as I would prefer to look at it before buying....they had two, both priced at $249....yeah....
On a side note I stopped by a LGS near my inlaws to see if they had any in stock as I would prefer to look at it before buying....they had two, both priced at $249....yeah....
Caliper_Mi
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All you really need to clean up after corrosive ammo is water. The corrosive primers leave behind potassium chloride, close to table salt. I just make patches out of paper towel and alternate wet/dry patches through the bore until they come out clean (water soaked patches will come out clean ). Then clean like normal to remove copper fouling.
I do doubt that you will ever get a clean patch from a Russian Mosin, but I always try to remove a bit more than I put in there. Maybe someday...
). Then clean like normal to remove copper fouling. I do doubt that you will ever get a clean patch from a Russian Mosin, but I always try to remove a bit more than I put in there. Maybe someday...
LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
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Good link Cdigman, just picked up 120 rounds of 7.5 swiss cheaper than locally!
writerinmo
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obsidianone, I bought one of the 1" thick rubber pads that replace the steel butt pad on my 91/30 and it made a world of different. I got mine off ebay, not sure what I paid for it but it wasn't much. It came with holes that weren't quite formed all the way through it, and directions to drill those out to make it softer if needed... I drilled them out, next time I went out went through 100 rounds without a problem! Plus I am over 6'4", the extra 1" on the stock really made it sweet to shoot for me.
ObsidianOne
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Thanks for all the info guys, much appreciated
I just ordered 880 rounds of 7.62x54r from SGAmmo.com for about $25.00 less in shipping than I would have with AIMSurplus.
Really? I've heard some people like it, but also hear the rubber is really hard and doesn't help much at all.
Also, the Mosin is kind a big gun for me (My arms aren't very long, lol) so another inch could make the gun uncomfortable to shoot. I think I'll try one of those Winchester pads that were suggested earlier and see how that pans out, and move onto the rubber pad if it doesn't work
I just ordered 880 rounds of 7.62x54r from SGAmmo.com for about $25.00 less in shipping than I would have with AIMSurplus.
writerinmo said:
Really? I've heard some people like it, but also hear the rubber is really hard and doesn't help much at all.
Also, the Mosin is kind a big gun for me (My arms aren't very long, lol) so another inch could make the gun uncomfortable to shoot. I think I'll try one of those Winchester pads that were suggested earlier and see how that pans out, and move onto the rubber pad if it doesn't work
USAF_Vet
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I've looked at the butt pads that replace the stock steel one, but haven't jumped on it yet. I have one of the Winchester slip on pads from Wal Mart. On my M91/30, it gets uncomfortable making the gun longer than it already is, but I like using it on the M44.
The Winchester pad absorbs quite a lot of recoil, but it does add even more length to the stock than the more permanent replacement one (i.e. the pad is actually thicker).
The Winchester pad absorbs quite a lot of recoil, but it does add even more length to the stock than the more permanent replacement one (i.e. the pad is actually thicker).
harmon rabb
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clean it yourself. and buy one of those m44's. $200 is a good price on one. can i have the name and number of the shop? i'd like to see if they'll ship me one (i have a c&r). i have a m44 and a 91/30, would love to pick up another m44, that's the fun one.
ObsidianOne
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I already ended up buying a 91/30
Absolutely, they have online sales, so I don't see why not, but they don't update their inventory online much.
Sam's Shooters Emporium
2183 Mcculloch Blvd N # 101
Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403-6833
(928) 680-7177
http://www.samsguns.com/
hiawatha
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If you want to reduce the felt recoil from a M-N, just gain weight! Seriously, if you place the butt properly in the hollow of your shoulder, you shouldn't be hurt by a M-N. A .458 Win Mag, maybe, but not a M-N.
I always carry a GI jointed cleaning rod, some appropriate size patches, and a spray bottle of Windex in my range bag. When I'm done shooting, I run a patch soaked in Windex through the bore and follow with about 5 dry patches. Then I don't have to rush home to finish the cleaning. I could carry a bottle of water instead of the Windex, but then I might drink it!
Seriously, if you place the butt properly in the hollow of your shoulder, you shouldn't be hurt by a M-N. A .458 Win Mag, maybe, but not a M-N. I always carry a GI jointed cleaning rod, some appropriate size patches, and a spray bottle of Windex in my range bag. When I'm done shooting, I run a patch soaked in Windex through the bore and follow with about 5 dry patches. Then I don't have to rush home to finish the cleaning. I could carry a bottle of water instead of the Windex, but then I might drink it!
jiminhobesound
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CAUTION, STICKY BOLT. I bought one online through Auction Arms from a private seller. M44 in a synthetic stock/ good price and he got me good. I have just about worn out my cordless drill trying to get the action to work smoothly (solvent brass brush etc.). I have torn down the bolt and cleaned it thoroughly and the action is still sticky. If the bolt is cocked there is no problem. If the bolt is not cocked it gets sticky. Tried oiling, still a problem. Cycle the bolt by working the action, firing and repeating several times.
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