Mossberg 100 ATR or Savage 111?
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Kachok
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Easy choice. I would go Savage all day, every day, without a doubt over the Mossberg. Now if you asked Savage vs Winchesgter, or Savage vs Tikka that would be a tougher choice. Accutrigger is OK, but I perfer a good single stage myself so you really would not be missing much. If you do perfer the two stage Wal-mart has a $396 combo special on Savages with the Accutrigger. Solid gun for the money.
The Mossberg 100 is actually a nicely built gun, but somewhat of an unknown. Not a lot of feedback out there yet. The Savages are well known as good shooters, but the non-accutrigger models have a rough trigger pull (which can be cleaned up if you know what you're doing, or are willing to pay a smith). As far as the scope, you would be far better buying the rifle without it, then spend as much as you can on a quality one.
Strongbad
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Consulted with a guy at the office a few months back on a new rifle. Mossberg was on his list. I tried to talk him into a Rem 700 etc. over the Mossberg but he had a pretty tight price limit and the Mossberg won out. That said, I was really impressed with the feel of that little rifle. Sure it's super cheesy with a plastic stock and a rough finish but the bolt was very slick and smooth. It reminded me a lot of a Howa/Vanguard. I still woudn't own one myself, but if I had another friend who wanted a beater level hunting rifle, the Mossberg isn't half bad.
Kachok
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As good as the Savages are, if you can swing it, I would go Tikka over over Mossberg, Savage, Remington....Heck anyone. My Tikka is simply a cut above everything else I have ever used, well worth the extra $80 difference I paid vs another "budget" gun. While all of my Savages have managed sub MOA groups with at leased one kind of factory ammo, my Tikka has done that with EVERY factory load and hand load I have tried to date. Perfect egronomics, ultra smooth action, real fiber matrix stock, perfect crisp adjustable single stage trigger, and very nice fit and finnish are just a bonus. If you want to get technical the Tikka has a free floated barrel, a full length bedding and a Sako hammer forged barrel. That is pretty much every performance option put on rifles, no other "budget" rifle has all of that.
Kachok, I would take Sako over Tikka, and AI over Sako... As far as Savage 111 vs Mossberg 100 ATR, I only have 111 model never had Mossberg, but from the reviews I saw, it has almost same accutriger adjustable to 2lb, barrel nut, free-floating button-rifled fluted barrel with target recessed crown, scope bases, and it seems many people like them... you can find review on them searching online here is one http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/05/foghorn/gun-review-mossberg-100-atr/
Savage 111 is just hunting rifle, my shoots good, no accutriger, simple synthetic stock, I bedded mine, word of advise don't fire more then 3 shots, barrel is to thin, it will affect groups
Savage 111 is just hunting rifle, my shoots good, no accutriger, simple synthetic stock, I bedded mine, word of advise don't fire more then 3 shots, barrel is to thin, it will affect groups
Kachok
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Sako of couse is the parent of Tikka. Tikka uses their action and barrel, not to mention a hella good synthetic stock, the Sako might have a feature the Tikka does not, but I have never been one to spend a grand on a rifle, I simply could not imagine it being any better for me. I found my NIB T3 Stainless for $408 and have been thrilled with it. Now if someone built a Mauser action, 24" barrel (6.5x284), that was as smooth, accurate and refined as my Tikka, with a steel trigger guard, I would spend a grand on it. That would simply be the perfect rifle.
The Mossberg rifle has been around for quite a while under several names. first as the Raptor rifle. They went out of businesss. Charter arms bought the rights to make the gun and failed. Now Mossberg is making them. Lots of feedback available. Mosty bad.
I'd buy a Savage or Marlin XL-7 in a gun in that price range.
I just picked up my Mossberg ATR 100 and I love it. Its my first hunting rifle (not to be confused with my first high powered rifle) and I personally can't wait to get buck with it. Yeah, I've shot quite a few high powered rifles in various calibers, from various manufacturers and vastly different price ranges. All shot great, sure there are better made rifles out there, but don't let a few bad apples that got off the production line be the hangman's noose of a nice firearm. It's comfortable, cheap and accurate for what it is.
If its comfortable for you and your wallet, get it. If it's not, or you've read what countless other gun snobs who'd badly critique a 3+ thousand dollar tube gun, then get what you want...Point is, no matter how nice a gun is or how much you paid for it or what accessories it may be equipped with, if its not comfortable to shoot, then its not enjoyable. Test both out and see for yourself.
Happy shooting!
If its comfortable for you and your wallet, get it. If it's not, or you've read what countless other gun snobs who'd badly critique a 3+ thousand dollar tube gun, then get what you want...Point is, no matter how nice a gun is or how much you paid for it or what accessories it may be equipped with, if its not comfortable to shoot, then its not enjoyable. Test both out and see for yourself.
Happy shooting!
BrocLuno
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Mossberg had an issue with the bolt cross pin, but it's been fixed for over a year. I like the fit of the stock better than Savage. That's a personal thing. Pick the one that fits you the best 
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I faced the same choice a few years back, and due to ergonomics and personal preference, I opted for the mossberg 100atr. I had really wanted the Marlin xl7, but it was not available locally at that time.
My mossberg is a fine rifle. 3/4 moa or better, smooth action, and no reliability issues after several years and hundreds of rounds. The only complaints I have are with the built in sling swivels (one broke after heavy bipod usage), the pencil thin barrel (common on inexpesive rifles; let it cool between shots), and the bolt not locking when the safety is engaged (some consider that a desirable feature, but I dislike it).
As good as my rifle has been if I did it again I would go with the Marlin xl/xs7 (my original choice), or a Tikka. But between the Mossberg and the savage, it's most likely a dead heat between them, and the tie breaker will be which one feels better on your shoulder.
My mossberg is a fine rifle. 3/4 moa or better, smooth action, and no reliability issues after several years and hundreds of rounds. The only complaints I have are with the built in sling swivels (one broke after heavy bipod usage), the pencil thin barrel (common on inexpesive rifles; let it cool between shots), and the bolt not locking when the safety is engaged (some consider that a desirable feature, but I dislike it).
As good as my rifle has been if I did it again I would go with the Marlin xl/xs7 (my original choice), or a Tikka. But between the Mossberg and the savage, it's most likely a dead heat between them, and the tie breaker will be which one feels better on your shoulder.
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+1 on the Mossberg ATR100 (though I have no exp w/ the Marlin). I had an ATR100 that was very accurate on the cold shot (several times I'd take it out, hit the center of the bull at 100yds, put it back in the bag). Unbelievable value at $250 from WallyWorld (it does walk 'em around unless you let the barrel cool).
I talked to the lady behind the gun counter at walmart. She was surprisingly knowledgeable and very helpful.
Anyway, I have read that walmart sells their rifles at that price point by sacrificing quality, she assured me that wasn't the case and they order from the same distributors as local gun dealers.
On that mossberg 100 ATR she said they make about $14 dollars and expect to make up the difference on ammunition, accessories and scopes. Where the dealer makes about 100% profit so they sell the same rifle at MSRP.
I'm excited, this would be my first hunting rifle.
Edit: anyone have a suggestion for a good scope for this rifle. Uses would be deer and occasionally long range target shooting.
Anyway, I have read that walmart sells their rifles at that price point by sacrificing quality, she assured me that wasn't the case and they order from the same distributors as local gun dealers.
On that mossberg 100 ATR she said they make about $14 dollars and expect to make up the difference on ammunition, accessories and scopes. Where the dealer makes about 100% profit so they sell the same rifle at MSRP.
I'm excited, this would be my first hunting rifle.
Edit: anyone have a suggestion for a good scope for this rifle. Uses would be deer and occasionally long range target shooting.
Sock Puppet
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That's incorrect. Dealers don't make 100% on rifles.
What do you consider long range and what is your budget?
451 Detonics
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This statement made me snort coffee out of my nose. I owned a brick and mortar gun shop for 20 years, if I made 15 points on a new gun I was thrilled.
I would suggest saving a bit more and looking at a step above the lowest entry level priced guns. Not only do you get what you pay for...so true of just about everything in this world...you will also be much happier should you decide to sell or trade in the future. The is much more aftermarket support for the Savages so that is the way I would go. The low end plastic stocks are, well, trash. With the Savage there are tons of choices for replacement stocks.
Let's take a look at the actual quote:
I doubt that Walmart makes only $14 on a $300 rifle. I know FOR SURE that MSRP does not represent a 100% markup on the dealer's cost.
For both Walmart AND a typical dealer, the margin for a gun by itself isn't enough to keep the business running. Gun dealers sell guns in order to sell other things such as clothing and accessories that have a higher markup.
While we're on the subject, Walmart sells ammo retail at just about dealer's wholesale when ordered a case at a time.
Mossberg ATR
I've got a 30-06 ATR and it's used just like bfdhud said his would be used.
I put a Nikon Buckmaster 3-9x40 scope on it, and I like it quite a bit. It's a fine hunting tool.
As has been mentioned the Savages do have a lot more stuff available for them, but the ATR adjustable trigger is just as good as any I have tried.
I've got a 30-06 ATR and it's used just like bfdhud said his would be used.
I put a Nikon Buckmaster 3-9x40 scope on it, and I like it quite a bit. It's a fine hunting tool.
As has been mentioned the Savages do have a lot more stuff available for them, but the ATR adjustable trigger is just as good as any I have tried.
Thank you,
As for everyone else, I'm just repeating what the walmart employee said to me. You all act as though I've said something offensive to you.
I obviously don't sell guns, I only asked why a rifle with a MSRP of 454 - 550 is being sold for 250. That is the answer I got, and I had no reason to question it. Get over it.
As for everyone else, I'm just repeating what the walmart employee said to me. You all act as though I've said something offensive to you.
I obviously don't sell guns, I only asked why a rifle with a MSRP of 454 - 550 is being sold for 250. That is the answer I got, and I had no reason to question it. Get over it.
BrocLuno
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Regarding scope - I'd get one of the Nikon's on sale at Wally World. That way, if you have any warranty issues, it's all the same place. The Nikons are quite nice for the price. 3x9 should do it fine. Be sure to mount it so your cheek weld is comfortable. No craning up off the stock, or forcing cheek into stock.
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