Mossberg "Raptor"?

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AI&P Tactical said:
I forgot to add the obvious. Before anyone buys one of these they should go shoot a Pistol Grip Only shotgun. They may very well find this is a difficult weapon to master and may have very little real world application no matter how cool it looks. Money may be better spent on ammo.
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Shooting a PGO isn't especially hard in of itself, but it needs to be done while at least somewhat sighted down the barrel instead of from the hip, and a birdshead style grip puts your trigger hand at an awkward angle for that.
 
I think 10ga mini-shells would rock. you have more pellets than the 12ga mini shells.

I don't know why the idea hasn't caught on...
 
Wouldn't it be just spits and giggles if Mossberg had no intention of putting this out there and simply did it for the free press it is getting? That is the kind of hype that shot show has become. Besides, they already offer it with an 18" barrel and 4" matters little in what that weapon is or in this case, is not.
 
I'd say that's hugely unlikely. Mossberg knows how many people would rush to buy one and according to current BATFE interpretations, it's perfectly legal to sell.

What would make anybody think for a moment they wouldn't actually sell their hottest new "gotta have it" product?

They've sold far dumber things in the past.
 
Sam1911 said:
I'd say that's hugely unlikely. Mossberg knows how many people would rush to buy one and according to current BATFE interpretations, it's perfectly legal to sell.

What would make anybody think for a moment they wouldn't actually sell their hottest new "gotta have it" product?

They've sold far dumber things in the past.
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Yes, the 500 with the "chainsaw" grips or the "Barrett .50 cal muzzle brake" are two example of that!!

As for the 4 1/2" shorter barrel not making a difference? I don't know about that. 14" barrels are popular on NFA R870Ps and whatnot. Considering this is a pistol grip shotgun as well I think that much less barrel would be somewhat significant for maneuverability in very tight quarters or inside of a vehicle for use as an anti-carjacking weapon or in an RV etc.
 
I'm excited for all of you folks that are excited.:D But I can't imagine what use I would have for such a firearm. It looks like it would be brutal to fire with anything peppier than blanks and is probably very difficult to control & hit anything with. At bad breath distance I suppose it would be handy and as a breaching tool it would be useful, but I don't foresee any application for the gun (just for myself).

Still, why not? I do keep guns for defense but at the heart of it I own guns because shooting is fun! That little doo-dad would probably be fun to own, and that's probably all the justification it needs.:thumbup:
 
Well there's a couple different answers to that.

No, really, PGO shotgun (-like "other firearms") are not so brutal as everyone assumes. Decades back I spent a bit of time with a Mossberg version as some pals of mine and I decided we were going to get good at shooting clays with them. Held them right out in front of our faces and sighted down the barrels. Never did get good at clays but did burn a lot of shells.

Also fired high wall 3" buck, slugs and such. Stout, but not painful. They didnt fly out of our hands, or bust out our teeth.

And that's with the pistol style grip. The birds head grip like these have is much easier on recoil.



Now for the other side of the question. Our Moderator in Memoriam Dave McCracken had a standing challenge for any member to come shoot with him and show him that PGOs could be reasonably accurate welded. Dave had done more to test out the their uses (and got paid to do so) than anyone else I've ever heard of, and never had a shooter who could do half as well, even with extensive practice, as with a stocked shotgun.

So they remain an eye catching novelty.
 
Hookeye said:
Still a Mossberg LOL
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Remington offered 870 version for some time now. Don't laugh it looks like it could he hidden in duster coat sleeve. Man you only need one round per bad guy using right ammo in that "La Sweeeper".
 
Remember, the ATF has declared that these are only exempt from being NFA regulated Firearms because they are presumed to be non-concealabe since they're over 26" long.

If you conceal one, they say, that removes that assumption and this is now an unregulated NFA item and you really don't want that.
 
Sam1911 said:
Remember, the ATF has declared that these are only exempt from being NFA regulated Firearms because they are presumed to be non-concealabe since they're over 26" long.

If you conceal one, they say, that removes that assumption and this is now an unregulated NFA item and you really don't want that.
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You have saved me several hundred bucks. Thank you. I mean, buying that for non-concealment purposes is like native living in equatorial jungle buying a warm fur coat.
 
I have always thought that pistol gripped 12GA shotguns are idiotic but I want this one.
 
My Mossberg PGO grew a stock just as soon as I decided I cared how many hits I could make with it. I haven't been thempted one time to change it back though I still have the pistol grip somewhere.
 
Sam1911

Same with me only mine is a Maverick 88. I bought the PGO model mainly because it was less expensive and easier to find than the full stock model.
 
AI&P Tactical said:
I understand all that Sam and this first started in 2010 in the Shotgun forum of AR15.com and that letter has been floating around for 6 years with other just as confusing. What I am says is they may be going to end this. There are other sections of the NFA clearly stating that if a weapon has a smooth bore barrel it is either an AOW or an SBS. So, I don't know what they are going to do. As an 07 I refuse to participate in the anything NFA as I am not going to pay them another $1,000 a year for a Tax Stamp. So once this is cleared up for certain I could build these guns without an SOT. I am not going to being playing Loop hole with the ATF as they always win. As a consumer I would by something that could be banned in a few months. Two companies now are pushing the envelop on this so I will watch, wait and see. In the mean time I am going to order extra receivers and barrels just in case as those sell well anyway.

They can change the NFA at their whim. For example: Ever wonder why rifles are 16" and Shotguns are 18"? Originally both were 18", however after WW II the government wanted to sell of a lot of M1 Carbines to help pay the war debit. That Carbine has a 16" barrel so they simply changed the minimum length on rifles to 16 to so citizens could buy them without having to get a tax stamp. So they can change the NFA to suite their own needs any time it suits them.
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Only problem is carbines have an 18" barrel!
 
Personally I don't care for the 14 inch barrel , I already have the shockwave technicalologies grip for my 500, and it only goes on during a fishing or road trip , other than that hand me my stock any day.
 
Robsetz - do your home work and you find that there were WW II MI Carbines with 16.25" Barrels and the US Government want to be able to sell them as Surplus.
 
Barry the Bear said:
Personally I don't care for the 14 inch barrel , I already have the shockwave technicalologies grip for my 500, and it only goes on during a fishing or road trip , other than that hand me my stock any day.
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In my experience, 14" barrels are so much handier that most tactical style shotguns would be that length, if not a bit shorter, if it wasn't for the NFA laws.
 
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