Mossberg reliability questions.

[Mr. T]

I happen to own the Remington 870 and the Mossberg 500 and 835. All three are excellent guns and I've never had a problem with any of them. They're all reliable pump guns.

 

[speaksoftly]

To put it simply, if I had to choose between the two I'd readily give up my $2000 AR setup and keep my -$900 Mossberg 590A1 setup.

 

[RandKL]

I had the 535 first and shot it a couple of times to find out it just dropped shells. I got rid of it ASAP.

Well, there's only one way that can happen with the design as has been pointed out before. It can't happen with a bent shell stop or a shell interruptor etc etc etc. You can go so far as to take them both out and you can't recreate the prob. The ONLY way it can happen is if you push the shell up into the tube mag til it clicks on the edge of the elevator but not far enough so it clicks on the stop. That's user error. If you don't load it properly, that prob happens every time.

rich

 

[Hunterdad]

Well, there's only one way that can happen with the design as has been pointed out before. It can't happen with a bent shell stop or a shell interruptor etc etc etc. You can go so far as to take them both out and you can't recreate the prob. The ONLY way it can happen is if you push the shell up into the tube mag til it clicks on the edge of the elevator but not far enough so it clicks on the stop. That's user error. If you don't load it properly, that prob happens every time.

rich

User error? I don't think so. I had several other people load and shoot both guns with the same results. Some of those people were mossberg owners themselves. It also happened to my gunsmith and I'm pretty sure he knows a thing or 2 about them.

 

[RandKL]

User error? I don't think so.

You can think whatever you want, HD. If the problem simply isn't physically possible with the design, it's not the gun.

There's only two parts that effect the ammo in the tube as you cycle the gun....that's the stop and the interruptor. You can't physically recreate that prob as you described it by bothering either. (The ONLY way you can recreate that prob is the short loading error I described)
Both work in unison to cycle one shell at a time. If you damage either, they both don't work....so for it to drop one shell at a time like you described, you'd have to be shooting with one shell in the mag tube at a time *every* time. If you ever fully loaded the tube and had five shells fly out at once, I kind of think you'd have mentioned that as the problem, which you didn't.

If the interruptor, the one on the right side of the receiver, is damaged, broken, bent, removed entirely, ALL the shells in the mag tube get injected into the receiver at one time on TOP of the elevator the sec the stop trips. Big jam. If the stop, the one on the left side of the receiver, is damaged, broken, bent, removed entirely, first of all, you'd find it hard as hell to load it at all....and then all the shells in the tube would, again, be cycled at once as the interruptor trips.

You said your smith "made some adjustments". Do you happen to know what he did? The "adjustments" possible on a Mossy 500 can be counted on one hand even if you're missing a few fingers....and in all those cases, a replacement part (the stop and the interruptor) is approx $5 and takes all of fifteen secs to replace. 30secs and $10 if he replaced the lifter. In other words, you don't "adjust" a Mossy 500. If a part is bad, you replace it. There's also no part on the gun that *could* be "adjusted" that would work itself bad again with use.

rich

 

[Sheepdog1968]

It is somehow possible for the saftey to engage under recoil.

Fixed by tightening up a replacement "two way" screw and Loctite.

Do not like the one way screw at all.

Absolutely love how easy it is to reload since the carrier is up and out of the way.

Still can't figure out whether I prefer Mossberg or Remington...

It used to be the tang safety that made the difference and preference on Mossbers. I've discovered somethign over the last 8 months that still made me choose the Mossberg. To me, the carrier, tucked up and away in the Mossberg, makes it a clear winner over the Remingtons. In fact, it wasn't till recently that I learned of this difference. Yes, you can learn to deal with this difference but I am shocked that all shotguns don't do it the way the Mossbergs do.

 

[Hunterdad]

You can think whatever you want, HD. If the problem simply isn't physically possible with the design, it's not the gun.

There's only two parts that effect the ammo in the tube as you cycle the gun....that's the stop and the interruptor. You can't physically recreate that prob as you described it by bothering either. (The ONLY way you can recreate that prob is the short loading error I described)
Both work in unison to cycle one shell at a time. If you damage either, they both don't work....so for it to drop one shell at a time like you described, you'd have to be shooting with one shell in the mag tube at a time *every* time. If you ever fully loaded the tube and had five shells fly out at once, I kind of think you'd have mentioned that as the problem, which you didn't.

If the interruptor, the one on the right side of the receiver, is damaged, broken, bent, removed entirely, ALL the shells in the mag tube get injected into the receiver at one time on TOP of the elevator the sec the stop trips. Big jam. If the stop, the one on the left side of the receiver, is damaged, broken, bent, removed entirely, first of all, you'd find it hard as hell to load it at all....and then all the shells in the tube would, again, be cycled at once as the interruptor trips.

You said your smith "made some adjustments". Do you happen to know what he did? The "adjustments" possible on a Mossy 500 can be counted on one hand even if you're missing a few fingers....and in all those cases, a replacement part (the stop and the interruptor) is approx $5 and takes all of fifteen secs to replace. 30secs and $10 if he replaced the lifter. In other words, you don't "adjust" a Mossy 500. If a part is bad, you replace it. There's also no part on the gun that *could* be "adjusted" that would work itself bad again with use.

rich

No, I'm not sure of the adjustments he made. I didn't ask because it worked when I test fired it at his place. The gun never had more than 3 rounds in it because it was a waterfowl gun. I guess myself and 5 others need to learn how to load a shotgun. I can't wait to tell 5 well seasoned shotgunners that they don't know how to load a Mossberg. My father-in-law who worked at the Remington plant for 30 years is going to be pissed when I tell him how stupid he is when it comes to loading a simple gun.

This is a fine example of brand loyalty.

 

[shockwave]

This may be something that all Mossberg owners know, but I've noticed that the 500 really likes to be shot. As it heats up the action just gets smoother and it wants to fire more, getting happiest when smoke is pouring out of the chamber. Replacing the tang with a Vang Comp was a great move because the upgraded part is more ergonomic and break-proof, but I haven't changed the shell-follower yet.

 

[RyanM]

If the shell stop is allowing shells to slip by, might it not be possible that the shells got caught on the elevator lip on the way out, thus seeming to cause the related problem?

Anyway, I've never had problems with mine.

 

[gooolist]

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