If1HitU
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The Shockwave remind me of the old TV series Wanted Dead or Alive with Steve McQueen, with a shotgun and not a rifle. I know the series had the rifle.
Pros:
1) It is easy to store, though not as easy as a handgun.
2)Concealmentwell, no, that's a federal felony.
3) ?
I just thought I'd pass along that the Shockwave (as well as any Mossberg 590, 500 or Maverick 88) is made 100% reliable with Aguila mini shells with the OPSol mini-clip. My Mossberg 500 would choke on these shells to no end until I installed the adapter ($15 on Amazon), which takes all of 30 seconds.
The buckshot load that consists of seven #4 buckshot mixed with four #1 buckshot will still give you 1250 FPS from that 5/8 ounce load while boosting the capacity from your typical 5 shells to 9 shells. The recoils is only slightly more than a light field load.
I've been fairly impressed by these stubby shells, though the slugs are a little longer in length (due to the slug protruding slightly from the shell) and reduce the capacity to 8. I also found most tumbled from my 500, though at defensive across-the-hallway distances, I suppose it wouldn't matter much if at all.
If I end up purchasing a Shockwave, that's the route I'd go.
Joezilla said:The problem is finding the mini shells in stock anywhere.
If Aguila does ramp up production, I suspect the prices will adjust accordingly.
I wouldn't argue though it seems to me that neither police nor military forces who use shotguns tend to issue many with shorter than 18" barrels. (Some do, but probably 1% or fewer.)
Possibly that's due to capacity issues from a shorter mag tube, but possibly not.
Instead of buying a road rage/riot gun, I would find a better place to live or an anger management class.
Just be careful with that "less visible" thing. As noted, concealing that gun MAKES IT an NFA Firearm. Don't do that.A shockwave can be less visible.
I meant in self defense like if someone exited their vehicle with a gun
I saw one of these in action at the range recently. Being passed around between some guys. It looked fun, but not terribly effective the way they were shooting it.
I think if you want one, seriously consider why before you buy it. I think they could be a lot of fun at an outdoor impromptu range. There's potential merit with them as an emergency HD weapon (providing you really practice with it); hidden away somewhere that's fairly easily accessible. But outside, I think one of these would be pretty useless. So if you can figure out the why, and it actually fits when looked at objectively rather than subjectively, get one. If not, resist the cool factor and find something more appropriate.
I hope you get one, have a lot of fun with it and feel better having it in your car.For road rage, I meant in self defense like if someone exited their vehicle with a gun, not if I "lost my temper" and wanted to murder someone. Did you really think that's what I meant? Also while I did not mention it if someone was getting robbed 2 cars in front of me this would be a nice gun to have.
As for moving, should I also move where I don't need to conceal carry as well? I think it's neat, if I need it, it's the best gun to have generally, so I'm going to get one. Besides, as I said people at the range will beg to shoot it!
I think for any military use, or combat use the 18-20in with a traditional stock is clearly superior. The niche of the Shockwave or TAC-14 is a civilian can carry it in their car more easily. Also while police use ARs or 18in shotguns they don't have to conceal them. A shockwave can be less visible.
My point about that was such a firearm is a poor fighting tool, especially in a vehicle where it will be even harder to get the necessary hands on it and posture to try to shoot it well. It's one of those things that seems like a good idea, but isn't.
Something we often struggle with is how exactly to place a quantification on statements of effectiveness when we discuss self-defense arms.
In that light, what does "not completely useless" mean?
It certainly does not mean, "as easy to store, transport, carry, draw, aim, get hits with, cycle, transition between targets, and fire follow-up shots with as a handgun."
It certainly does not mean, "as easy to aim, get hits with, cycle, and transition between targets, and fire follow up shots with as a full-stocked shotgun."
So it means something close to what is implied by the actual words in that phrase, not the more sarcastic overtone possibly intended: This firearm is not completely useless. Could be effective. Might be effective. Better than nothing. But admittedly and clearly far worse than other common choices.
(It might be worth pointing out that few people ever try to claim that a firearm of this sort is completely without any value as a defensive tool whatsoever. I.e.: completely worthless. Relatively worthless might be a reasonable assessment, though.)
So taken as given that the firearm has some value in the role, but huge detriments when compared to other common and known-effective choices, what are the positive factors it brings to the table that we must believe offset the poor aiming and handling, bulk, weight, legal questions/confusion which might come up with law-enforcement, etc.?
Pros:
1) It is easy to store, though not as easy as a handgun.
2)Concealmentwell, no, that's a federal felony.
3) ?
I really struggle to come up with plausible reasons to use one for serious purposes in a self-defense role.
Self-defense, by definition, is the one shot of your life you actually MUST make count. It is the moment when you must be as effective as humanly possible at delivering your bullet or shot. It is not the time to play with a "fun" or "cool" gun -- something you own for range time giggles.
These things must fall into a "relatively useless" category when evaluated for self-defense roles. Sort of like how a 4-wheeler is a lot of fun and has some merits for casual uses, but it "relatively useless" for serious transportation duties.
some people just have a bias or no experience with some of these type of firearms.
"Inclination" is a funny word. Though perhaps apt. There certainly are folks who are convinced that a PGO shotgun is not just a possible self-defense tool, but a GOOD one. If they are so inclined, words won't change their minds (and what's the point of trying?). Some (raising my own hand here) do put in the effort and, with enough practice and trial, manage to break down their own gut-level inclination.Maybe useless for some who don't have the training or inclination to use it
Well, let's say instead of a motorcycle it's like a Reliant Robin. Sure, it's only got three wheels and it will tip over and flop on its side if driven without great caution, but lots of people (in Britain) did actually use them for daily transportation. And, if the conditions are nice and you go slowly and take a fair bit of care about your driving, you can get where you're going in one.same as if you've never ridden a motorcycle then its useless to you. What use is a sportbike (basically a race bike with lights) to ride on the street? Yet millions of people do it everyday.