HBK
member
I am sending letters, but to be honest I don't think my reps give a damn what I think. They are probably sick of hearing from me, but I am going to stay the course.
Most Sweeping Gun Ban Ever Hits Congress
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AZTOY
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HBK
I thought the same thing but i got a Response from my Rep, Jim Kolbe
.We have one good guy on are side!!http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21905
chaim
Member
Wow that is one comprehensive list of banned guns and catagories.
They specifically mention even the Hi Point Carbine and Kel-Tec carbine as banned assult weapons!
Wait, there's more, it gets, um, better...
, these guys must have studied Orwell very closely.
Don't be too complacent, many MDers didn't think there would be anyway even this legislature would pass the built-in lock law, esp since almost nothing is made that way. Well, it passed and "pre-lock" guns are starting to get scarce and expensive.
Oh wow, I just looked over the list of sponsors (13 lines long) and there were quite a few MD Representatives there. Well, at least my guy isn't there, wait we were redistricted last election and my new guy IS on there
. Well, I know for sure who I'll be voting AGAINST next election cycle if I'm still here in MD (I voted against him last time too).
They specifically mention even the Hi Point Carbine and Kel-Tec carbine as banned assult weapons!
Wait, there's more, it gets, um, better...
I like how the presumption is that a firearm originally designed or bought for military use is not suitable for sporting use and "a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event". The fact that it is suitable for a sporting event isn't proof that it is suitable for sporting purposes
, these guys must have studied Orwell very closely. Don't be too complacent, many MDers didn't think there would be anyway even this legislature would pass the built-in lock law, esp since almost nothing is made that way. Well, it passed and "pre-lock" guns are starting to get scarce and expensive.
Oh wow, I just looked over the list of sponsors (13 lines long) and there were quite a few MD Representatives there. Well, at least my guy isn't there, wait we were redistricted last election and my new guy IS on there
. Well, I know for sure who I'll be voting AGAINST next election cycle if I'm still here in MD (I voted against him last time too).I sent another round of emails yesterday, and I will be sending another round of letters in the morning. And when I get some more time, a round of faxes. Probably won't make much of a difference with my state, but they can't say I didn't try.
TranquilityBase
Member
I would write letters to my congresscritter...
...except her name is Sheila Jackson-Lee, probably the dumbest person ever elected to Congress.
Instead of writing letters, I love writing checks. Just in the past month I wrote checks to NRA, GOA, RKBA.com, Rep. Ron Paul, and a few others.
Only *you* know what you can do. Write letters to Congress or the local newspaper, if that is your forte. If you can write checks, write checks. Don't just sit there, damnit, do something!
...except her name is Sheila Jackson-Lee, probably the dumbest person ever elected to Congress.
Instead of writing letters, I love writing checks. Just in the past month I wrote checks to NRA, GOA, RKBA.com, Rep. Ron Paul, and a few others.
Only *you* know what you can do. Write letters to Congress or the local newspaper, if that is your forte. If you can write checks, write checks. Don't just sit there, damnit, do something!
chaim
Member
I just fired off this message to my "Representative" The "Honorable" Elijah E. Cummings (and I will be sending something similar via "snail mail"):
"Dear Sir,
I am a lifelong Democrat. I have been active at some level since I was 14 years old (1984) and contribute politically with both my time and money as generously as I can. I usually volunteer for the campaign of at least one candidate per elections cycle. I have been moved to write this message to let you know that I can no longer support you or vote for you after you signed on as a co-sponsor for House bill, H.R.2038, which represents a ban on many legitamate sporting and self-defense arms. As a lifelong Democrat I am pained to tell you that I will be contributing as much time and money as I can to your opponent in the next General Election if you win the Primaries, and of course I will do what I can to help your opponent in the Primaries as well.
I am a Democrat, a Jew, a college educated professional, a soon-to-be graduate student and I am a gun owner. We are not all the raving lunatics, future or current criminals or unsophisticated rednecks so many gun opponents seem to think we are (in fact, very few of us fit any of those stereotypes). Most of the guns on your list are used in legitamate, and quite enjoyable, target events. The .223/5.56 carbines make effective home defense guns with lower recoil levels than even semi-automatic shotguns, a very important criteria for many. Semi-automatic shotguns (which will be banned under this bill) are most commonly used for sporting purposes such as trap and skeet shooting as well as hunting. For some of us who have health conditions that don't allow us to be able to handle the higher recoil of a pump shotgun this is our most effective home defense option. I will do all I can to keep access to some very fine sporting arms as well as some of the most effective home defense weapons available."
And no, there are no lies in there. Even though my politics these days may be closer to Republican I am still a registered Democrat and I am still holding on (for the time being) as a conservative Democrat and watching which way the party heads this next presidential election cycle before deciding if I'll switch or remain a conservative Democrat.
"Dear Sir,
I am a lifelong Democrat. I have been active at some level since I was 14 years old (1984) and contribute politically with both my time and money as generously as I can. I usually volunteer for the campaign of at least one candidate per elections cycle. I have been moved to write this message to let you know that I can no longer support you or vote for you after you signed on as a co-sponsor for House bill, H.R.2038, which represents a ban on many legitamate sporting and self-defense arms. As a lifelong Democrat I am pained to tell you that I will be contributing as much time and money as I can to your opponent in the next General Election if you win the Primaries, and of course I will do what I can to help your opponent in the Primaries as well.
I am a Democrat, a Jew, a college educated professional, a soon-to-be graduate student and I am a gun owner. We are not all the raving lunatics, future or current criminals or unsophisticated rednecks so many gun opponents seem to think we are (in fact, very few of us fit any of those stereotypes). Most of the guns on your list are used in legitamate, and quite enjoyable, target events. The .223/5.56 carbines make effective home defense guns with lower recoil levels than even semi-automatic shotguns, a very important criteria for many. Semi-automatic shotguns (which will be banned under this bill) are most commonly used for sporting purposes such as trap and skeet shooting as well as hunting. For some of us who have health conditions that don't allow us to be able to handle the higher recoil of a pump shotgun this is our most effective home defense option. I will do all I can to keep access to some very fine sporting arms as well as some of the most effective home defense weapons available."
And no, there are no lies in there. Even though my politics these days may be closer to Republican I am still a registered Democrat and I am still holding on (for the time being) as a conservative Democrat and watching which way the party heads this next presidential election cycle before deciding if I'll switch or remain a conservative Democrat.
556A2
Member
Even though I tend to be very pessimistic, I do not think this bill would ever pass, but I will have to start writing the representives anyways.
Official enemies of freedom-2003 edition
Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York, Mr. SHAYS, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. SMITH of New Jersey, Mr. NADLER, Ms. LOFGREN, Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas, Ms. WATERS, Mr. MEEHAN, Mr. DELAHUNT, Mr. WEXLER, Mr. WEINER, Ms. LINDA T. SANCHEZ of California, Mr. EMANUEL, Mr. CASE, Mrs. MALONEY, Ms. CORRINE BROWN of Florida, Mr. KENNEDY of Rhode Island, Mr. RANGEL, Ms. WOOLSEY, Mr. ACKERMAN, Ms. SCHAKOWSKY, Mr. HONDA, Mr. STARK, Ms. SOLIS, Ms. LEE, Mr. VAN HOLLEN, Mr. WAXMAN, Mr. TOWNS, Ms. ROYBAL-ALLARD, Mr. GRIJALVA, Ms. CARSON of Indiana, Ms. NORTON, Mr. LIPINSKI, Mr. RUSH, Ms. WATSON, Mr. DAVIS of Illinois, Mr. LEWIS of Georgia, Mr. JACKSON of Illinois, Mr. GUTIERREZ, Mr. OWENS, Mr. BLUMENAUER, Mr. CUMMINGS, Ms. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. FARR, Ms. LORETTA SANCHEZ of California, Mr. MORAN of Virginia, Mr. MARKEY, Mr. ANDREWS, Mr. HOLT, Mr. PAYNE, Mr. MCGOVERN, Mr. PASCRELL, Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts, Mrs. TAUSCHER, Ms. DELAURO, Mr. ENGEL, Mr. CAPUANO, Mr. HOEFFEL, Mrs. LOWEY, Mr. MENENDEZ, Ms. VELAZQUEZ, Mr. TIERNEY, Mr. BRADY of Pennsylvania, Mr. ROTHMAN, Mr. FATTAH, Ms. HARMAN, Mr. BISHOP of New York, and Mr. LANGEVIN) introduced the bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.
Are any of these above twits Republicans?
THE FACE OF EVIL! Sorry, I somehow cut off the "D" on the extreme left.
Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York, Mr. SHAYS, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. SMITH of New Jersey, Mr. NADLER, Ms. LOFGREN, Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas, Ms. WATERS, Mr. MEEHAN, Mr. DELAHUNT, Mr. WEXLER, Mr. WEINER, Ms. LINDA T. SANCHEZ of California, Mr. EMANUEL, Mr. CASE, Mrs. MALONEY, Ms. CORRINE BROWN of Florida, Mr. KENNEDY of Rhode Island, Mr. RANGEL, Ms. WOOLSEY, Mr. ACKERMAN, Ms. SCHAKOWSKY, Mr. HONDA, Mr. STARK, Ms. SOLIS, Ms. LEE, Mr. VAN HOLLEN, Mr. WAXMAN, Mr. TOWNS, Ms. ROYBAL-ALLARD, Mr. GRIJALVA, Ms. CARSON of Indiana, Ms. NORTON, Mr. LIPINSKI, Mr. RUSH, Ms. WATSON, Mr. DAVIS of Illinois, Mr. LEWIS of Georgia, Mr. JACKSON of Illinois, Mr. GUTIERREZ, Mr. OWENS, Mr. BLUMENAUER, Mr. CUMMINGS, Ms. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. FARR, Ms. LORETTA SANCHEZ of California, Mr. MORAN of Virginia, Mr. MARKEY, Mr. ANDREWS, Mr. HOLT, Mr. PAYNE, Mr. MCGOVERN, Mr. PASCRELL, Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts, Mrs. TAUSCHER, Ms. DELAURO, Mr. ENGEL, Mr. CAPUANO, Mr. HOEFFEL, Mrs. LOWEY, Mr. MENENDEZ, Ms. VELAZQUEZ, Mr. TIERNEY, Mr. BRADY of Pennsylvania, Mr. ROTHMAN, Mr. FATTAH, Ms. HARMAN, Mr. BISHOP of New York, and Mr. LANGEVIN) introduced the bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.
Are any of these above twits Republicans?
THE FACE OF EVIL! Sorry, I somehow cut off the "D" on the extreme left.
Justin
Moderator Emeritus
For those of you complacently sitting there saying that this bill would never pass, I would suggest that you actually go get a pen, or better yet, fire up your favorite word processing program and write a letter. If it turns out that the bill doesn't pass, and your effort of writing letters to stop it wasn't needed, you can tell me 'See, I told you so!'
In the meantime, write, call, fax, and email your reps.
That includes you duck hunters.
In the meantime, write, call, fax, and email your reps.
That includes you duck hunters.
whoami
Member
Mr. SMITH of New Jersey. Republican Representative Chris Smith, 4th District, New Jersey. I had the highest respect for his work regarding veterans affairs and human rights issues.....
Seawolf
Member
Mr. SHAYS, 4th District Representative of Connecticut is a "Republican."
May as well just call him a Democrat. With this and his now overturned campaign censorship bill.
Many posters have pointed out that bill has little chance of sucess in the current House. I am sure this is correct. What it does offer is a roadmap of where some members of Congress want to take gun control - and for that reason it should not be ignored.
You may well have a few RINO's vote for this but I think there are a few Dems that won't, like Dingell. Even still, most of the Republicans are pretty conservative and I don't think they will let this baby out of committee let alone let it be voted on on the House floor.
I'm glad the fool Democrats proposed the more sweeping California Style law. This has no chance of passing. Let them get as freaky as they want to with it. They want to ban M-1 Carbines now. Never happen. It just makes them look desperate.
I'm glad the fool Democrats proposed the more sweeping California Style law. This has no chance of passing. Let them get as freaky as they want to with it. They want to ban M-1 Carbines now. Never happen. It just makes them look desperate.
The rehash of the original has already been submitted by Diane Franenstein as far as I know. This has the best odds of making it to be sure, however, I really don't think this one will make it out of House Committee. The California style bill is certainly DOA.
Go to the GOA website. There they have a pre-drefted letter that you can send to Pres Bush and all your congress critters. Granted, it's E mail but it all helps. Do also send snail mail and faxes whenever possible. This takes them more time to deal with and sends a powerful message.
I have seen Wayne LaPierre on the tube for the last 3 nights and he is confident that the bill will never get out of Congress. I don't recall him ever sounding so confident so maybe he knows more than he's letting on at this point.
If the weaker version does actually get to Bush, he will sing it and will likely become a one term President. But as I said, I doubt these bills will get out of committee. Let the Dems blow smoke. It's a losing issue anyway.
Go to the GOA website. There they have a pre-drefted letter that you can send to Pres Bush and all your congress critters. Granted, it's E mail but it all helps. Do also send snail mail and faxes whenever possible. This takes them more time to deal with and sends a powerful message.
I have seen Wayne LaPierre on the tube for the last 3 nights and he is confident that the bill will never get out of Congress. I don't recall him ever sounding so confident so maybe he knows more than he's letting on at this point.
If the weaker version does actually get to Bush, he will sing it and will likely become a one term President. But as I said, I doubt these bills will get out of committee. Let the Dems blow smoke. It's a losing issue anyway.
TheOtherOne
Member
Even if it doesn't "stand a chance" of being passed I like to be better safe than sorry and writing a letter is better than doing nothing. Mine is a little shorter then some of the others posted, but I tried to keep it quick and to the point:
Dear Representative [name],
I am writing to ask how you stand on H.R. 2038 (Reauthorization of the assault weapons ban) and to express my strong disapproval of this proposed bill.
I feel that the goal and only outcome of the passing of this bill will be to restrict the rights of honest, law-abiding citizens.
The Second Amendment says the right to keep and bear arms "shall not be infringed." Please do not support this unconstitutional bill. I am hopeful that you will do all in your power to prevent the passage of this gross restriction of our freedoms.
Please let me know your stance on this important issue.
Sincerely,
[me]
Dear Representative [name],
I am writing to ask how you stand on H.R. 2038 (Reauthorization of the assault weapons ban) and to express my strong disapproval of this proposed bill.
I feel that the goal and only outcome of the passing of this bill will be to restrict the rights of honest, law-abiding citizens.
The Second Amendment says the right to keep and bear arms "shall not be infringed." Please do not support this unconstitutional bill. I am hopeful that you will do all in your power to prevent the passage of this gross restriction of our freedoms.
Please let me know your stance on this important issue.
Sincerely,
[me]
Coltdriver
Member
This bill and Feinsteins version will never make it out of committee let alone to a vote on the floor. The AWB is dead.
And soon so are Colt AR prices!
It is, nonetheless, a good idea to voice your opinion to your congress critters.
And soon so are Colt AR prices!
It is, nonetheless, a good idea to voice your opinion to your congress critters.
Members of the judiciary committee and GOA report card "grade"
Mr. Carter (Texas) a
Mr. Coble (North Carolina) a
Mr. Feeney (Florida) a
Mr. Flake (Arizona) a
Mr. Keller (Florida) a
Mr. King (Iowa) a
Mr. Pence (Indiana) a
Mrs. Blackburn (Tennessee) a
SENSENBRENNER, a
Mr. Bachus (Alabama) a-
Mr. Chabot (Ohio) a-
Mr. Forbes (Virginia) a-
Mr. Goodlatte (Virginia) a-
Mr. Jenkins (Tennessee) a-
Mr. Smith (Texas) a-
Mr. Cannon (Utah) a
Mr. Hostettler (Indiana) a+
Mr. Boucher (Virginia) b
Ms. Hart_ (Pennsylvania) b
Mr. Green (Wisconsin) b-
Mr. Gallegly (California) c
Mr. Hyde (Illinois) c-
Mr. Watt (North Carolina) f
Ms. Baldwin (Wisconsin) f
Ms. Sanchez (California) f
Mr. Berman (California) f-
Mr. Conyers (Michigan) f-
Mr. Delahunt (Massachusetts) f-
Mr. Meehan (Massachusetts) f-
Mr. Nadler (New York) f-
Mr. Schiff (California) f-
Mr. Scott (Virginia) f-
Mr. Weiner (New York) f-
Mr. Wexler (Florida) f-
Ms. Jackson Lee (Texas) f-
Ms. Lofgren (California) f-
Ms. Waters (California) f-
The italics are Socialists
Also, according to the GOA report card
A's + B's = 176
F's ~ 166
Mr. Carter (Texas) a
Mr. Coble (North Carolina) a
Mr. Feeney (Florida) a
Mr. Flake (Arizona) a
Mr. Keller (Florida) a
Mr. King (Iowa) a
Mr. Pence (Indiana) a
Mrs. Blackburn (Tennessee) a
SENSENBRENNER, a
Mr. Bachus (Alabama) a-
Mr. Chabot (Ohio) a-
Mr. Forbes (Virginia) a-
Mr. Goodlatte (Virginia) a-
Mr. Jenkins (Tennessee) a-
Mr. Smith (Texas) a-
Mr. Cannon (Utah) a
Mr. Hostettler (Indiana) a+
Mr. Boucher (Virginia) b
Ms. Hart_ (Pennsylvania) b
Mr. Green (Wisconsin) b-
Mr. Gallegly (California) c
Mr. Hyde (Illinois) c-
Mr. Watt (North Carolina) f
Ms. Baldwin (Wisconsin) f
Ms. Sanchez (California) f
Mr. Berman (California) f-
Mr. Conyers (Michigan) f-
Mr. Delahunt (Massachusetts) f-
Mr. Meehan (Massachusetts) f-
Mr. Nadler (New York) f-
Mr. Schiff (California) f-
Mr. Scott (Virginia) f-
Mr. Weiner (New York) f-
Mr. Wexler (Florida) f-
Ms. Jackson Lee (Texas) f-
Ms. Lofgren (California) f-
Ms. Waters (California) f-
The italics are Socialists
Also, according to the GOA report card
A's + B's = 176
F's ~ 166
Feanaro
Member
I am typing out e-mails and faxes to all the Alabama Reps' and Senators right now. Then I think I'll move on to Alaska.
Master Blaster
Member
Can your pump accept a greater than 5 round fixed magazine or a pistol grip?
Or is the reciever similar to one that can?
It is banned as well.
The clause about a design similar to a military one will allow the attorney general (a democratic one in 5 years say) to ban every firearm in existance at his discretion even Muzzle loaders!!!!.
This is a total ban on all firearms to be phased in, on common sense restriction at a time.
I called and emailed all my congresscritters when the senate version was introduced, and I called and emailed them again today.
Call and E-mail, dont send regular mail because its being screened for anthrax and other nasties and your congresscritter may not see it till next year.
chaim
Member
I was thinking this at first as well (military designs?- Mauser, Mosin-Nagants, M1917s, many blackpowders, etc) but then I looked more carefully- it "only" effects semi-automatics. I at first thought similarly about the handgun restriction ("capable of holding more than 10 rounds"- hey any autoloader w/ aftermarket mags could have mags made that hold over 10 rounds- then I noticed that it was fixed mag handguns only). So this particular legislation, while horrible, doesn't quite go that far. Of course the next one might.
Master Blaster
Member
Here is waht the law says, as I said this includes any semiauto or pump shot gun, and any semiauto rifle, if the AG decides it fits his conception of like a military weapon or Not suitable for sporting purposes:
H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a pistol grip;
`(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
`(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds.
`(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
`(J) A frame or receiver that is identical to, or based substantially on the frame or receiver of, a firearm described in any of subparagraphs (A) through (I) or (L).
`(K) A conversion kit.
`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.
Call YOUR CONGRESS CRITTER TODAY DONT TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT THIS WILL NOT PASS< ASSUME IT WILL>
H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a pistol grip;
`(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
`(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds.
`(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
`(J) A frame or receiver that is identical to, or based substantially on the frame or receiver of, a firearm described in any of subparagraphs (A) through (I) or (L).
`(K) A conversion kit.
`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.
Call YOUR CONGRESS CRITTER TODAY DONT TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT THIS WILL NOT PASS< ASSUME IT WILL>
GOP Will Let Gun Ban Expire
House Won't Act on Assault Weapons
Majority Leader Tom DeLay: "The votes in the House are not there."
(Ray Lustig -- The Washington Post)
By Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 14, 2003; Page A01
The Republican-controlled House will not renew the federal ban on Uzis
and other semiautomatic weapons, a key leader said yesterday, dealing
a significant blow to the campaign to clamp down on gun sales
nationwide.
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) said most House members are
willing to let the ban expire next year. "The votes in the House are
not there" to continue the ban, he told reporters.
His spokesman, Stuart Roy, said, "We have no intention of bringing
it up" for a vote.
Read the full story here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51740-2003May13.html
House Won't Act on Assault Weapons
Majority Leader Tom DeLay: "The votes in the House are not there."
(Ray Lustig -- The Washington Post)
By Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 14, 2003; Page A01
The Republican-controlled House will not renew the federal ban on Uzis
and other semiautomatic weapons, a key leader said yesterday, dealing
a significant blow to the campaign to clamp down on gun sales
nationwide.
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) said most House members are
willing to let the ban expire next year. "The votes in the House are
not there" to continue the ban, he told reporters.
His spokesman, Stuart Roy, said, "We have no intention of bringing
it up" for a vote.
Read the full story here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51740-2003May13.html
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