Wildyams
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Say you own an RV, but do not have a concealed permit. Can you keep the gun loaded in your RV or is the RV like any other vehicle where you cannot have your gun loaded unless you have a concealed permit?
Motorhomes?
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kingpin008
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Are you asking specifically for the law in Washington state, or other states as well?
Wildyams
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more specifically washington state. I had a customer come in and ask this question today and I honestly had no idea if it was legal or not.
mljdeckard
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Depends on the state. Some define a home as anywhere you happen to be sleeping, even to give homeless people the right to conceal wherever they happen to be at the moment. You have peaceable journey laws which allow you transport a gun from one state to another as long as it is legal for you to posess the gun in both states.
Which states are you traveling through? I try to stay in states that honor my Utah permit.
Which states are you traveling through? I try to stay in states that honor my Utah permit.
Wildyams
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I personally am not traveling. I just work at a sporting goods store and heard someone ask for a gun for their motorhome and ask if it was legal. I honestly had no idea of the legal lines for motorhomes.
I plan on getting my permit soon, hopefully a Utah one.
Basically I'm trying to figure out if an RV counts as a car, or a house or if the laws vary a lot state to state (which they always seem to)
I plan on getting my permit soon, hopefully a Utah one.
Basically I'm trying to figure out if an RV counts as a car, or a house or if the laws vary a lot state to state (which they always seem to)
I'm not a lawyer, but am a WA resident, CPL holder, and FFL. What I recall the WA law to state is "vehicle." That doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room to declare your MH your home unless he lives in it 24/7 and had no other fixed abode (in which case he's likely not buying an MH retail from you!). If he wants to keep a loaded gun in his MH, he should get a CPL. It's so bloody easy and cheap in WA that if you don't do it, it makes you look silly. If there's a reason he can't get a CPL, then he'd better get his own lawyer and not rely upon you.
Traveling with it in other states is another matter. That is well addressed at:
opencarry.org
If he can buy a motorhome but can't afford or pass the background for the $60 "shall issue" CPL that WA has had since 1961, something smells wrong, or ill-informed.
Traveling with it in other states is another matter. That is well addressed at:
opencarry.org
If he can buy a motorhome but can't afford or pass the background for the $60 "shall issue" CPL that WA has had since 1961, something smells wrong, or ill-informed.
In California, it would be your home when it is parked, and when you are traveling, it would be a car(I think).
However, California law is pretty specific about it, it makes it clear that a temporary residence, and it goes so far as to mention campsites and the like, are considered residences. Other states may not have the same laws.
Do you know which statutes define the gun laws in your state? It may be worthwhile to simply look them up and learn what you can.
However, California law is pretty specific about it, it makes it clear that a temporary residence, and it goes so far as to mention campsites and the like, are considered residences. Other states may not have the same laws.
Do you know which statutes define the gun laws in your state? It may be worthwhile to simply look them up and learn what you can.
Deltaboy1984
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Kappas' book Traveler's Guide
http://www.woodalls.com/shop/display.cfm?productID=0BA8&&subcatname=RV+and+Camping+Books
http://www.woodalls.com/shop/display.cfm?productID=0BA8&&subcatname=RV+and+Camping+Books
Frog48
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Not sure about your state, but Texas law generally treats motorhomes and travel-trailers as habitations rather than as vehicles... not that it really matters, since we can carry handguns in vehicles without a CHL.
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NavyLCDR
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I would say, if the motorhome is on the road as a vehicle, then vehicle rules would apply, which according to RCW 9.41.050 is unloaded and not concealed on the person. Any other place in the motorhome is legal as long as it is unloaded.
When the motorhome is parked as a habitation, I would say that the 9.41.050 and 9.41.060 exceptions apply:
RCW 9.41.050
Carrying firearms.
(1)(a) Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, a person shall not carry a pistol concealed on his or her person without a license to carry a concealed pistol.
and
RCW 9.41.060
Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.
The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to:
(8) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;
When the motorhome is parked as a habitation, I would say that the 9.41.050 and 9.41.060 exceptions apply:
RCW 9.41.050
Carrying firearms.
(1)(a) Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, a person shall not carry a pistol concealed on his or her person without a license to carry a concealed pistol.
and
RCW 9.41.060
Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.
The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to:
(8) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;
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