Thank you for the link, Chris. The thread was very long, but not very informative. What I'd really like is a Keltec P-32 precision made out of titanium or scandium, weighing just a bit more than the current dinky. Sell it for, say, 6 or 700 or even 800 dollars.
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ksnecktieman
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Jamz. The Walther P22 is only a mouse gyun in caliber. I like small guns, because of my small hands, and I loved the feel of it. I just saw it in a gun shop last weekend and it is on my want list. I do not know if this thread is for a bug or just a small 22. If you are looking for a 22 to shoot for fun I think the Walther is a good choice. To conceal and carry you can do a lot better with power to size ratio.
mtnbkr
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Except for the materials and caliber, that is what the Rohrbaugh is, isn't it? It's a precision machined pocket pistol of the size as the P32 for $700-$800.
In one thread or another, I thought I read that they may make a Ti or Al model in the future. Can't remember where I read that though...
Chris
Chris - I saw where they planned to make it in stainless steel. I didn't notice anything about titanium. It probably weighs more than double the P-32 loaded up. I haven't seen any reliability reports on it yet. I, as well as many on that thread, don't like the mag release location. Looks like it might catch in my pocket and release itself. Also, it sounds like it's going to be one of those deals like the Seecamp used to be, waiting list years long. Also, I don't know if a 9 in such a small gun will be much better than a nice light 32. I really love the size and weight of the P-32, and it was a pleasure to shoot. If only it wasn't such a dinky piece of junk!
ksnecktieman
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rrb? I think you should find someone with a reliable mouse gun and try it. I think you may find your problem in your hold on it. I have had beretta model 21 in 22, a beretta tomcat, in 32, and I now have a keltec in 32, and mine work fine. maybe because of the small grip you are not holding them firmly enough, and getting limp wrist failures.
Good luck with your 1,000$ mouse gun when you find it.
Good luck with your 1,000$ mouse gun when you find it.
Hi, Ksne --
I say phooey on the "limp wrist" gag! I NEVER want to hear that excuse for ANY gun misfiring! Who knows what kind of grip a person might have on his gun in an emergency, during a struggle, a panic situation. Not likely to be a nice firm two-handed weaver stance! Anyway, I'm a big strong guy and I was holding my P32 nice and tight when it jammed.
I actually had two P32's. The first was such an unbelievable piece of junk that I had to return it to Keltec 3 times. When it broke again, they actually refunded my money, more than I paid for it even! Good customer service and good gun design, but crappy quality control and materials.
My second P32 was much better than the first. I shot several hundred rounds with no malfunction. Then i got a few jams. Couldn't trust it. Sold it.
Yep, I'm waiting on my $1000 mouse gun. Meanwhile I've got my .357 S&W Scandium Airweight. It's totally reliable, no fun to shoot, and not nearly as comfortable and inconspicuous as the P32 in my pocket.
I say phooey on the "limp wrist" gag! I NEVER want to hear that excuse for ANY gun misfiring! Who knows what kind of grip a person might have on his gun in an emergency, during a struggle, a panic situation. Not likely to be a nice firm two-handed weaver stance! Anyway, I'm a big strong guy and I was holding my P32 nice and tight when it jammed.
I actually had two P32's. The first was such an unbelievable piece of junk that I had to return it to Keltec 3 times. When it broke again, they actually refunded my money, more than I paid for it even! Good customer service and good gun design, but crappy quality control and materials.
My second P32 was much better than the first. I shot several hundred rounds with no malfunction. Then i got a few jams. Couldn't trust it. Sold it.
Yep, I'm waiting on my $1000 mouse gun. Meanwhile I've got my .357 S&W Scandium Airweight. It's totally reliable, no fun to shoot, and not nearly as comfortable and inconspicuous as the P32 in my pocket.
ksnecktieman
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sorry, rrb, no insult was intended, I just told you I have great luck with the guns you are flaming so bad.
I did not mean to knock a chip off of your shoulder.
I did not mean to knock a chip off of your shoulder.
cratz2
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I always want to chime in when folks go P32-bashing...
I've owned four of them now and shooting FMJ and very carefully loaded Gold Dots and Silvertips, I might have had a total of 5 failures... in probably 800 rounds... and most of those were probably in the first day of shooting each respective gun.
I'm quite sure there have been many, many failures with the P32s but rimlock is well documented with 32ACP guns esp when firing HP ammo. I just want to be sure people possibly lurking on the forum know that there are several people very happy with the performance of their P32s.
I've owned four of them now and shooting FMJ and very carefully loaded Gold Dots and Silvertips, I might have had a total of 5 failures... in probably 800 rounds... and most of those were probably in the first day of shooting each respective gun.
I'm quite sure there have been many, many failures with the P32s but rimlock is well documented with 32ACP guns esp when firing HP ammo. I just want to be sure people possibly lurking on the forum know that there are several people very happy with the performance of their P32s.
mtnbkr
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I've had good luck with mine as well. I had 4 FTE's in the first 100rnds using Magtech ammo. Since switching brands, it has been 100% reliable. To date, I've fired about 600rnds through it. It has handled the hotter Euro loads such as S&B and Dynamit-Nobel (most of that 600 is D-N). It has also functioned properly and accurately with Fiocchi, Hornady hollowpoints, and Speer Gold Dot hollowpoints. Since that initial 4 FTE, I have not had a single hiccup (other than the superlight handloads I tried recently, my own doing).
Chris
Chris
22luvr
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How about a Beretta Mod 21 ??
I owned a Model 21 Bobcat and liked it a lot. I liked the tip-up barrel feature and it had an excellent SA trigger for such a small gun. The only drawback were the primitive sights. Other than that, great quality, accuracy, and reliability for a small autoloader.
I owned a Model 21 Bobcat and liked it a lot. I liked the tip-up barrel feature and it had an excellent SA trigger for such a small gun. The only drawback were the primitive sights. Other than that, great quality, accuracy, and reliability for a small autoloader.
Kentucky Rifle
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Well, I thought, "What the heck"--and went out to my gunshop yesterday to look at the 21A's. They had a stainless, matte black, and a beautiful shiny black. The shiny black 21A was very tempting, but I knew it would be carried in my pocket. PLUS, I just KNEW that I would rust it in the Kentucky summer. I would have bought the stainless model if it had had the "fit" of the black shiny model. It was the most perfectly fitted little Beretta I've ever seen. No gaps anywhere. (I'm still thinking about that shiny model.) Somebody--PUSH me! 
Will
Will
I'm another satisfied Berretta 21A owner
A replacement of the factory grips with Pearce rubber ones felt much better in my hands. Winchester super X is the ammo Berretta uses for testing the 21A. When its clean it works flawless, however with all small pistols shooting the relatively dirty .22s it starts to jam when leaded up.
Win super X & CCI minimags runs the best in my 21A.
A replacement of the factory grips with Pearce rubber ones felt much better in my hands. Winchester super X is the ammo Berretta uses for testing the 21A. When its clean it works flawless, however with all small pistols shooting the relatively dirty .22s it starts to jam when leaded up.
Win super X & CCI minimags runs the best in my 21A.
sorry, rrb, no insult was intended, I just told you I have great luck with the guns you are flaming so bad.
I did not mean to knock a chip off of your shoulder.
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No chip on my shoulder, just bad experiences with all the mouse guns I've had. The Beretta too. I had a 22 short Beretta with the flipup barrel. Basically all it did was jam.
The best of the lot was my second Keltec P32. It was flawless for a few hundred rounds, but then jammed a few times. I couldn't trust it after that. The first P32, as I mentioned, was an incredible POS. Almost everything broke or malfunctioned, something different each time. Finally Keltec gave me back my money after I sent it, and its busted connecting pin, back for the fourth time.
I did not mean to knock a chip off of your shoulder.
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No chip on my shoulder, just bad experiences with all the mouse guns I've had. The Beretta too. I had a 22 short Beretta with the flipup barrel. Basically all it did was jam.
The best of the lot was my second Keltec P32. It was flawless for a few hundred rounds, but then jammed a few times. I couldn't trust it after that. The first P32, as I mentioned, was an incredible POS. Almost everything broke or malfunctioned, something different each time. Finally Keltec gave me back my money after I sent it, and its busted connecting pin, back for the fourth time.
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> > > P-U-S-H >>> Kentucky that help any?
Buy the darn thing, blame me, everybody else does, one more putting me to blame ain't gonna hurt...anybody else want a scapegoat...I make a good one !
FWIW the Black Matte survived the humidy of AR summers. I use RIG on stuff anyway, mine gets character not rust. I like the Classic matte black, with X22lr ( Win super X) always runs...
I like the NAA 22lr mini revos too, neat little package.
KR..post a pic when you get it
Buy the darn thing, blame me, everybody else does, one more putting me to blame ain't gonna hurt...anybody else want a scapegoat...I make a good one !
FWIW the Black Matte survived the humidy of AR summers. I use RIG on stuff anyway, mine gets character not rust. I like the Classic matte black, with X22lr ( Win super X) always runs...
I like the NAA 22lr mini revos too, neat little package.
KR..post a pic when you get it
Kentucky Rifle
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SM...
Thanks for the "PUSH". I wonder if the shiny or the matte has any difference in rust resistance? The fit on the matte model was good too. However, I keep thinking about that shiny black one. It is one beautiful little pistol. I don't mind "character" marks. I do mind rust.
Will
Thanks for the "PUSH". I wonder if the shiny or the matte has any difference in rust resistance? The fit on the matte model was good too. However, I keep thinking about that shiny black one. It is one beautiful little pistol. I don't mind "character" marks. I do mind rust.
Will
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KR ,
IIRC the shiney is INOX which is Titanium. supposed to be totally corrosion resistant. I have no experience with Titanium in guns but I do in others items. Titanium is lighter than steel, and the devil to work on IME. Harder than woodpecker lips. Perhaps someone tha thas an INOX will weigh in here. MY thinking is what if I need the gun repaired, is this going to present a problem?
The reason I like the Matte is , the way the character wears in is subtle . I like wood and blue as everyone knows so the shiny of blue or black getting character does not bother me. I actually prefer blue guns because of the look naturally but also the metallurgy IMO is better than steel. Now my gunsmith buddy prefers stainless, he will admit right up front he likes the look of blue better. He will admit stainless "less" prone to rust, depends on the steel used. Since he works on guns , easier to bead blast and whatever a stainless gun to refinish. Me I never had a problem and sometimes wonder if the better metallurgy in blue, the better polish in blue or black required to get a really nice finish is even and advantage in resisting rust.
Easier to use a "finish" ( bead blast) to cover porosityor blemish, than to have to finish it out and have better QC if blued. That make sense?
I know from a former life a lot of stuff can be covered up by satin, bead, checkering...
IIRC the shiney is INOX which is Titanium. supposed to be totally corrosion resistant. I have no experience with Titanium in guns but I do in others items. Titanium is lighter than steel, and the devil to work on IME. Harder than woodpecker lips. Perhaps someone tha thas an INOX will weigh in here. MY thinking is what if I need the gun repaired, is this going to present a problem?
The reason I like the Matte is , the way the character wears in is subtle . I like wood and blue as everyone knows so the shiny of blue or black getting character does not bother me. I actually prefer blue guns because of the look naturally but also the metallurgy IMO is better than steel. Now my gunsmith buddy prefers stainless, he will admit right up front he likes the look of blue better. He will admit stainless "less" prone to rust, depends on the steel used. Since he works on guns , easier to bead blast and whatever a stainless gun to refinish. Me I never had a problem and sometimes wonder if the better metallurgy in blue, the better polish in blue or black required to get a really nice finish is even and advantage in resisting rust.
Easier to use a "finish" ( bead blast) to cover porosityor blemish, than to have to finish it out and have better QC if blued. That make sense?
I know from a former life a lot of stuff can be covered up by satin, bead, checkering...
TamThompson
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For a long while, I suffered with an Advantage Arms .22 conversion kit of one of my Glocks (the 22C.) I fluffed it and buffed it, and the most I was able to achieve was to go from jamming on every mag to 'only' jamming on every second or third mag, and this was with Remington Gold Saber, the preferred ammo for those kits.
A few days ago, I traded it in on a brand-new Ruger Mark 2 .22LR semi-auto. (They were being sold for $199.) Will shoot the Mark 2 this weekend.
QUESTION: Most of the time, my Keltec P32 is a back-up gun to my Glock 30. When I'm out running, cycling, mountain biking, or hiking (which is a lot of the time), the Keltec is my ONLY gun, due to weight. Would I have to worry significantly less about shot placement if I were to trade in the P32 on a P3AT (the new Keltec .380?)
A few days ago, I traded it in on a brand-new Ruger Mark 2 .22LR semi-auto. (They were being sold for $199.) Will shoot the Mark 2 this weekend.
QUESTION: Most of the time, my Keltec P32 is a back-up gun to my Glock 30. When I'm out running, cycling, mountain biking, or hiking (which is a lot of the time), the Keltec is my ONLY gun, due to weight. Would I have to worry significantly less about shot placement if I were to trade in the P32 on a P3AT (the new Keltec .380?)
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