Movie: Shooter

[azredhawk44]

Anyone notice in the new movie out, Shooter, in the scene where the cardinal is shot from 1800 yards away:

The sound of the gunshot arrived about 1/4 second before the cardinal was hit?

With a muzzle velocity of 2900fps, a 50BMG projectile is still moving around 1400fps at 1800 yards, isn't it? That's a bit faster than sound, even after over a mile of de-celeration.

Speed of sound is about 1030fps, right? Give or take.

If sound doesn't de-celerate, it should take about 5.5 seconds to travel 1800 yards. A 50BMG bullet should take about 3 seconds to travel that same distance.

Seems to me that the bullet should have knocked down the cardinal about 2.5 seconds before the gunshot was heard in the movie from the podium.

Movie screw-up.

 

[cbsbyte]

I believe you are right.

 

[bogie]

This from the Bob Lee point, or the actual firing point?

 

[azredhawk44]

This from the Bob Lee point, or the actual firing point?

They were reviewing some security footage of the shooting, and it appeared that the camera was about 100 yards away from the cardinal, or 1700 yards from the gun.

 

[deolexrex]

Did y'all notice that when the girl shoot the bad guy at the end with the Beretta she only shoots him four times before the slide locks back. I thought they held a few more rounds than that...

 

[El Tejon]

deo, have to tac reload.

 

[eclipse71]

sound

youre theory about the sound is not bad..
But what you heard is the bullet hitting the target.
at this distance the sound signature of the 50 cal is poor.

By the way, when the girl shot the bad guy with the 12 gauge, pump action shotgun, why she doesn't reload ?

 

[alucard0822]

To hear the shot 1/4 second before the cardinal was hit 1800 yards away, you would have to be about 900 yards away from the tower where the shot was taken from, approxamently where their observation post was. the patched bullet theory would have been nearly impossible. especially with a damaged bullet that was already fired needing about 1/2MOA accuracy. Not to mention a few one shot kills from 200 yards with a 22lr from a moving boat. But such is the price for 90 minutes of entertainment. Even with its apparent fallacies, any movie that mentions the Coriolis effect in the proper context is OK in my book.

 

[Nomad101bc]

More importantly how did he kill all those guys with a bolt action rimfire .22?

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

More importantly how did he kill all those guys with a bolt action rimfire .22?

How? HOW????

Because he's Bob Lee Swagger!!!!! That's how.

Btw, Chuck Norris would only need to use his mind.

 

[TonyB]

One thing that drove me nuts was that Wahlberg couldn't decide if he was left or right handed..he shot the rifle righty but the handgun lefty and the little sub-mac both......Wahlberg is natually a lefty BTW.Other than that it was a pretty good movie,but of course the book was better(all of the sudden I am one of "those people"...you know "readers"..hippies I call 'em)

 

[texas bulldog]

Did y'all notice that when the girl shoot the bad guy at the end with the Beretta she only shoots him four times before the slide locks back.

that part seemed very odd to me too. as did her failure to rack the slide on the pump shotgun after shooting the first intruder.

 

[XD Fan]

One thing that drove me nuts was that Wahlberg couldn't decide if he was left or right handed..he shot the rifle righty but the handgun lefty and the little sub-mac both......Wahlberg is natually a lefty BTW.

I shoot long guns left handed and handguns right handed.

As for the movie, I really hated it. Thought it was poorly thought out and poorly done. Loved the book by the way.

 

[CDignition]

Trained Military snipers are trained in weak side shooting.. try it, it is fun.

 

[spankaveli]

Why oh why won't you guys ever accept the fact that no movie should be expected to be factual in regards to things of this nature?

It's a movie. You watch it for it's entertainment value, not it's factual representation.

 

[Invalid]

Why oh why won't you guys ever accept the fact that no movie should be expected to be factual in regards to things of this nature?

It's a movie. You watch it for it's entertainment value, not it's factual representation.

I was going to post something along those lines but then, if people can't be gun-nerds about movies on THR, then where would they go? Goofy or not, this is the place for all things firearm-centric, so whatev.

 

[Limeyfellow]

Did y'all notice that when the girl shoot the bad guy at the end with the Beretta she only shoots him four times before the slide locks back. I thought they held a few more rounds than that

The insurance companies insist when firing even blanks that a gun be armed with no more rounds than what is expected to be fired in the script, so its not too surprising if the script calls for four shots, that it would lock back after four shots as they are not allowed anymore in there.

 

[Durruti]

Seems to me that the bullet should have knocked down the cardinal about 2.5 seconds before the gunshot was heard in the movie from the podium.

I don't know. Wouldn't you hear the sonic crack all along the trajectory? Does anyone know how that works?

 

[alucard0822]

I don't know. Wouldn't you hear the sonic crack all along the trajectory? Does anyone know how that works?

The Boom from the shot would spread out from the source at a rate equivelent to approximently 1128fps (mach 1), the maximum speed that a linear pressure wave can travel in air at sea level (speed of sound). At mach 1 the bullet basically runs into it's own shockwave that spreads in the shape of a cone from the bullet. The faster it goes, the narrower the cone and the greater the amplitude of the "crack" as the shockwave is compressed on the leading edge. This is basic doppler effect. But the "BOOM" from the initial shot and the "crack" as the bullet goes by are two different sounds, and people would hear both at different times depending on where they were.

http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/doppler/doppler.html

If you think Im a movie technicality nerd, you havent watched Top Gun with my dad (USN LCDR VF-74 "Bedevilers" 1973-1982)

 

[ec-10]

In the opening scene after his spotter is killed and he brings out the .50, did anybody else notice that he was racking the bolt after every shot? The rifle looks like a semi-auto to me. Hollywood.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

More importantly how did he kill all those guys with a bolt action rimfire .22?

Proper shot placement.

 

[tssievert]

he was manually cycling a semi auto. the camo'd gun he was using is a 408 cheytac. and did you know he had to get permission to handle firearms for the movie because he is a convicted felon. this is covered in way more detail on snipershide.
all that aside, it was a pretty good movie, i watched it 5 times the weekend i bought it. even though it was full of mistakes
thanks

troy

 

[Nomad101bc]

A standard .22 fun bolt action cant take hornets or any high velocity hollow point. Thus i have to assume he was using lead soft point or copper jacketed hydrashocks either way it would only be as lethal as shown in the movie if he shot everyone in the left eye. This is not shown as i recall several torso shots are even made...

 

[Belgiboy]

I thought the headshot on the cardinal was not remotely enough carnage to imply that a .50 BMG was used. That remote controlled custom job might as well have been a .338 Lapua Mag or something. When i told my wife about that, she looked a little weary at me... ;-)
Over all it was an OK movie, but i hated the slow motion shots of Bob Lee Swagger with explosions in the background. The can of Dinty Moore has been added to my list of fun targets to try out, i wanna know what a 7 mm Rem Mag will do to that from about 200 yds.

 

[hankdatank1362]

t'weren't no .50BMG... twas a .408 Cheyenne Tactical (we assume... the CheyTac M-200 Interdiction Rifle can be chambered in .50BMG and .338 Lapua, as well as some other oddball proprietary Cheyenne Tactical cartridge, like .360 or somehting, I forget)