Movies or tv shows,that seem to not want the heroes armed

[sterling180]

I know a movie and at least three tv shows,where In real life the on-screen characters would be armed and in these particular movies and shows they aren't.All of these sad cases are movies and shows,that could have been better,but were ruined by the possibility of an anti-gun agenda.

For example,recently I watched The Pacifier again,that starred Vin Diesel as a Navy-Seal officer and in the first scene,he and his assault-team had to rescue Howard Plummer,from Bosnian terrorists.Although they were equipped with explosive grenades,combat knives,flash-bangs and smoke grenades and also other fancy gadgets-they lacked basic small-arms,to begin with.

Now don't get me wrong here,Diesel was an excellent choice for Lt Shane Wolf,but to send him and his men on a dangerous mission,without small-arms is suicide.The terrorists were armed with Uzis and other guns and the Seals were expected,to do a hostage-rescue mission,where they would be engaging in CQB without any guns.Oh dear or dear,Seals are Commandos and are tough as nails,but they aren't Batman or Superman-though,are they?.I never saw a handgun in a holster,strapped to Vin's leg or waist,at all.He kicked down a door,without being armed with a firearm?I know it's a kids movie,but so was Kindergarten cop and the violence at the begining,was as harsh as any PG or U certified action movie.

What Shane and his men should have been armed with

Also when he guards the Plummers,he isn't given a handgun or even a more powerful weapon,such as an MP5,despite protecting the Plummers,from armed and potentially dangerous persons.

Another one is Columbo,a detective who never carries a revolver,which breeches the LAPDs departments policy-from what I've read in an extract of their manual-from the Police Quest computer games.Aren't all officers,supposed to be armed,whilst on duty-which is the same for every cop in the USA.Columbo doesn't have to like guns,but he does need to carry one and according to his background,he served in the US army.

Anyone know any other movie or tv show,that was ruined by not arming the hero/es?

 

[Neo-Luddite]

http://eiconline.org/

This is where such bizarre programming suggestions often come from--here is where much of the agenda is set.

BTW--anyone ever notice that the Scarecrow in the 'Wizzard of Oz' has a revolver drawn for about three seconds in the sequence where they encounter the talking trees? You don't see it before then, and it doesn't come out again in the film. I just had to get that off my chest

 

[Neo-Luddite]

http://eiconline.org/resources/topicareas/gvfsip_ds.php

That is the easy-access chapter and verse as it relates to not including weapons.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

Wait, are you complaining about the plausibility of a movie where the central plot is a Navy SEAL assigned to babysit children? Somehow a movie with Vin Diesal as a special operations bad-ass charged with a intense childcare mission was made unwatchable by the omission of guns?

Put down the remote and go outside, there's an amazing world out there. The irony of this statement is not lost of me, I'm going to put down the mouse and go outside right now.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

MacGyver was known to throw away firearms in disgust and revulsion.

 

[The Scout]

Yeah MacGyver never used guns, well he used a revolver as a wrench and hammer but thats it. And I never liked how in Mash they treated weapons like they were a disease, but then again they had to deal with what happened to people because of those weapons.

 

[dfariswheel]

Producers and directors seem to prefer unarmed 100 pound model-thin women beating the hell out of 245 pound bruisers armed with guns.

 

[Fosbery]

And I never liked how in Mash they treated weapons like they were a disease

I always thought that was part of the comedy. All these soldiers fighting this war are actually a bunch of pacifists and cowards

 

[Ohio Rifleman]

I just checked their "quick quiz" to see how much you "know" about firearms use in America.

Quick Quiz Answers:
A gun in the home ________ likely to shoot a family member or friend compared to an intruder?

more
less
about as
Answer: (a) Research has shown that a gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used to shoot a family member of friend than an intruder.


In the U.S., the highest number of gun deaths are:

homicides
suicides
accidents
Answer: (b) According to government statistics, 58 percent of all gun deaths are suicides.


Combined with easy access to a gun, the substance that makes a person most prone to shoot someone else is:

heroin
cocaine
alcohol
Answer: (c) Because it impairs judgment, releases inhibitions and often makes people more belligerent, alcohol is far more likely to contribute to a shooting. One study found that 62 percent of shooters involved in homicides has alcohol in their blood.


The average number of gun deaths in the U.S. each year is about:

3,000
30,000
300,000
Answer: (b) According to National Vital Statistics Reports, there were between 30,000 and 33,000 gun deaths annually for the past several years. In 1997, there were an average of 88 firearm killings every day.


Women are most likely to be shot by:

a robber on the street
a burglar in the house
their spouses
Answer: (c) According to FBI reports, women are 12 times more likely to be shot by a spouse or loved one than by a stranger.

This anti-gun bilge can be found here: http://eiconline.org/resources/topicareas/gvfsip.php

 

[ctdonath]

anyone ever notice that the Scarecrow in the 'Wizard of Oz' has a revolver drawn

Now that you mention it, I do recall the image.

Also recall that the original Winnie the Pooh includes references to Christopher Robin having his gun "just in case".

 

[JWarren]

Quote:
And I never liked how in Mash they treated weapons like they were a disease

I always thought that was part of the comedy. All these soldiers fighting this war are actually a bunch of pacifists and cowards

Nope... that was Alan Alda.


MASH moved to a more political and human-impact type of show from a slap-stick comedy when Alda started writing, producing and directing episodes.


-- John

 

[sterling180]

Wait, are you complaining about the plausibility of a movie where the central plot is a Navy SEAL assigned to babysit children? Somehow a movie with Vin Diesal as a special operations bad-ass charged with a intense childcare mission was made unwatchable by the omission of guns?

He is a SEAL,a commando,he and his team should of had some guns on them.In Jonny Quest,Race Bannon and his assault team are armed,when they storm Dr Surd's base.Bannon is armed with a handgun(Colt 1911A1),in 1978 when he confronts Dr Surd and shoots him,thus crippling him for life.That was a cartoon and Lt Wolf kills or injures some terrorists,in the first scenes of the film with explosive grenades and he later on feels guilty because he couldn't save Professor Plummer's life,because Plummer got shot dead.He also got shot himself.

But Wolf's crooked superior and his North Korean enemies are armed,so therefore Wolf should of been armed.A tv soilder or a cop character in the UK,would have been armed in the same situation.Jim Bergerac,John Nettles's famous character,is armed when on dangerous assignments and this is shown on daytime tv.Mission Impossible (The original series.) and The Man From Uncle is watched by small kids,during the daytime and it has scenes of violence in it-so why make it look that stupid in the Pacifier.

Oh and by the way,I did enjoy watching the movie,because was a pretty good,all-round family film.Now the film-makers can get away with not including swear-words,or sexual references-like,they did in the old days-but to have portrayed a special Forces unit,in that way,is terrible.

 

[PILMAN]

I remember the movie "The Rundown" where The Rock refused to use a gun and wanted to fight only with his fists claiming "I don't use guns" but ended up using a shotgun at one point in the movie. For the most part, he fought bad guys with his fists.

Also the movie walking tall, he pretty much refuses to use a shotgun almost throughout the movie. He's about to enter the casino, cocks the shotgun then puts it down and picks up a 2x4 instead. I wonder if The Rock is anti-gun?

 

[Devonai]

In The Rundown, I think the decision was made that Johnson's character dislike firearms in order to create several setpiece brawls. They wanted to save the shootout for the end. His characters says two things about it, IIRC; "They (guns) take me to a place I don't want to go," and "I said I didn't like guns, I didn't say I didn't know how to use them."

In Walking Tall, I think the writers wanted to show that Johnson's character was mad as hell and ready to kick some butt, but at the last moment realizes he doesn't want to commit several acts of murder and grabs the 2x4 instead.

In either case I don't see the actor having anything to do with it.

 

[medmo]

Sheriff Andy Taylor very rarely touched a gun when patrolling the mean streets of Mayberry.

 

[JohnL2]

"I am Kwai Chang Cane. I would like some rice, beans, and salt. Please. I do not want any trouble. I would just like some rice, beans, and salt."
- kung fu kicks guy in head -

 

[sterling180]

I remember the movie "The Rundown" where The Rock refused to use a gun and wanted to fight only with his fists claiming "I don't use guns" but ended up using a shotgun at one point in the movie. For the most part, he fought bad guys with his fists.

Oh what a really tough guy he is,I bet if they offered him a role as a Rambo-style hero,he would jump to the beat.Sometimes you just can't use your fists as weapons,perhaps to start off with.Has he ever played Doom,I wonder?Oh wait he starred in it,didn't he?,yes thats right and he did use a gun there,otherwise he would have been eaten alive.

It's amazing that wrestlers have this similar mentality.Didn't Hulk Hogan say something similar about his role in Suburban Commando and Mr Nanny.

 

[Fosbery]

Dr. Who basically never used a gun. In one episode he said to his assistant "never carry weapons weapons; when people can see you mean them no harm, they're less likely to harm you." She took his advice and left her gun in the Tardis, and they then spent the rest of the episode defenceless against hordes of homicidal robots. So perhaps it's actually pro-gun? His assistants sometimes use guns though (as does the British army and various futuristic earth armies). The one time I remember him using a gun was when... I think it was when he 'killed' Davros with a hand-held Dalek gun because he was so mad at him for all the death he had caused.

 

[woof]

I watched an older movie just the other night where a police detective, on approaching a house with a woman screaming inside, pulls out his semiauto handgun and has to chamber a round. Maybe that was for some kind of drama but in reality he would have had a round chambered. Speaking of chambered rounds, Andy Taylor never needed a gun because he had Barney nearby and Barney had his bullet right there in his pocket!

 

[Clyde Nocar]

Now I Know

These things have bugged me for years but I never knew how they came about. How do you suppose the main characters in JERICO get away with arming themselves and USING the arms?

 

[matt87]

Fosberry,
I remember one of the Dr Who films (Dalek Invasion 1999 or similar load of old twaddle), where the plot basically went that the Daleks had invaded Earth and were using the enslaved human population to dig a hole to a subterranian fissure to somehow turn it into a massive space ship. Anyhoo, at least one of the main characters had a boomstick. No.4 rifle IIRC, and I'm sure I spotted a couple of Webleys around.

 

[romma]

pulls out his semiauto handgun and has to chamber a round. Maybe that was for some kind of drama but in reality he would have had a round chambered.

You might be surprised at the members on this board that don't keep a round chambered when carrying.

Not all people that carry do apparently..

 

[S.P.E.C.T.R.E.]

I've gotten the feeling when watching a lot of movies and TV shows that the gun would simply solve the situation too quickly and anticlimatically. So I think what happens is the writer finds a way for the protagonist to not have a gun so he has to go through extraordinary methods to defeat his opponents. I mean, who doesn't love an underdog?

How much suffering and misery would MacGyver have avoided if he's just carried a snubbie?

Murdoch: Goodbye MacGyver, time to fry.
MacGyver: **BLAM**
Murdoc: (dies)

ROLL CREDITS

Not as interesting. However, Richard Dean Anderson is antigun and in Stargate SG1 he carries a gun at all times and kills many enemies with it.

 

[Gunnerpalace]

The list

Read through that list, this is why I don't go to movies anymore and why I wait for them to come out on TV, I became sick of MASH when it started to turn into as I call it the "Alan Alda Moral Hour", and in my opinion CSI is quite possibly the most anti-gun show on TV (feel free to correct me). As for the pro-gun movies and shows I would say "Dirty Harry" fits the bill (in fact Smith and Wesson .44 Mag sales went off the charts when it came out).

 

[Hkmp5sd]

How about Dukes of Hazard? Of course, they couldn't touch guns due to federal law. Instead they used those federally exempt arrows tipped with TNT.

As a result of MacGyver never touching guns, I never watched a single episode of the show. However, I did respect Anderson for standing up for his beliefs (until SG-1 came along, anyway). Most other anti-gun actors had no problem using guns in movies.

I've never noticed an anti-gun tilt in any of the CSI series, although they do have many firearms errors and it seems like every bullet and shell casing recovered always turns up in the computer from a previous crime. The blonde in CSI:Miami is a gun fanatic. In one episode, when asked by her boss, "What do you get when a six foot man lays down with a three foot rifle?", she replies, "Hot flashes. But that's just me." Gotta love her.