Moving to another state with guns! What do I do?

[Willyboi]

HELP!?!?! :banghead: I have been up and down the internet looking for the laws on moving from Virginia to New Jersey with a varity of firearms. I couldn't understand a word that was said in the law books. I understand I need a special ID card and Handgun permit. Other than that Im lost. How do I cross state lines legally? Do I have to register all of them or just the fact that I would have them? Am I missing things?
I have;
1. Bushmaster 24" Bbl. “VARMINTER” Rifle
2. Bushmaster 16in M4 Type Carbine **
3. M1A (no bayonet lug)
4. Winchester 1300 defender '7 round tube' **
5. Beretta 92F (9mm)
6. Springfield 1911 (45)
7. Springfield Operator (45)


** (I would do what it takes to make New Jersey legal)


One thing I read said you can't own a Bushmaster Firearm, but the last time I was home they where selling them in the hunting/fishing stores?!


Willyboi
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6..

 

[Dave Markowitz]

Before relying on suspect information on the Internet and getting yourself in a pile of trouble with NJ's repressive gun laws, I STRONGLY suggest talking to an attorney in NJ who is familiar with them.

One that comes to mind is Evan Nappen. He's actully published a book on gun and knife laws in NJ.

 

[Frandy]

Dave is absolutely right. Make a call to the proper authority in NJ, probably the attorney general's office. And make certain you get someone on the phone who actually understands what you are asking and provides authoritative information for you.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

I can tell you right now that most if not all of your rifles are not legal in NJ, and that your handguns will be considered contraband there, in the same category as a bag of cocain. You must leave all but the shotgun in storage in VA. Then, you need to get a handgun license in NJ, which is not easy, and will take years if ever. You might as well sell your rifles in VA. Why would anyone move from VA to NJ, the Hell hole of the earth?

 

[WT]

All your firearms appear to be NJ legal.

Leave any magazine with a capacity greater than 15 mags in VA. Your M1A1 might have 20 round mags but they are a no-no in NJ. Does it have a flash suppressor?

Your Winchester 1300 defender '7 round tube', Beretta 92F (9mm), Springfield 1911 (45), and Springfield Operator are no big deal.

Bushmaster XM15's are also okay (provided they don't have flash suppressors or bayonet lugs).

Again, stay away from any mag greater than 15 rounds.

As soon as you move apply for a NJ firearms ID card. Until you are issued one you should not take any firearm outside of your residence. You do NOT need a 'pistol permit' unless you want to carry a pistol concealed or purchase a new one. There is no requirement to register firearms when moving in from out of state.

Try to avoid hollowpoints. Although not outright illegal there are some restrictions dealing with them. Learn to shoot and you won't need hollowpoints.

There are a lot of gun clubs and ranges in NJ. Join one.

NJ is not as bad as some may believe.

 

[Phoenix_III]

You do not need ANYTHING to bring those firearms into NJ, except,...


The m4 may not have a flash suppressor, bayo lug, or collapseable stock.

Any gun = Detachable Mag, Pistol grip, and that's it.
or, in your M1a case (which is legal and there is a letter to prove it) Flash hider and detach mag. NO Pistol Grip stocks on that!! (no bayo lug of course).


As for mags, Large mags are allowed as long as they are temporarily or permenantly blocked. There was a move to make perm blocks a requirement but it is stagnant/fell through. Temporary blocks (wood, bic pen bodies, etc), are fine.

Permits for pistols are 'permits to purchase'. You already own them.

FID = Firearms ID card, needed to buy long guns in NJ. You don't need one to own what you own, but get one anyway.

 

[WT]

The NJ FID is the card that identifies you to police officers as one of the 'good guys.' Driving around with a Bushy in the trunk on the way to the range may raise an eyebrow if a 'good guy' card is not in one's possession.

 

[armoredman]

DON'T DO IT! Run away from LIEberal Hades, and move to a free state. Don't support the machine with your tax dollars....
It must be one doozy of a job to move there - I wouldn't. Ever.

 

[geekWithA.45]

Evan Nappen is your man.

That being said, (I'm not a lawyer, blah blah blah)

Semi auto longarms in federal "post ban" configuration are generally OK, (ie: evil feature count) unless they are banned by name.....there's a long story and a court case behind this....so it's complex.

FYI, I lawfully _BOUGHT_ a Bushmaster in NJ, but since moving out, have put a collapsing stock on it, so it's no longer NJ legal.

The mag limit is 15 rounds, and this also applies to permamently fixed mags. Temporary or permanent blocking of the mag is OK.

Your M1A sounds postban, so as long as it has 2 or less evil features (detach mag and flash hider, that's OK)

Your bushies have a pistol grip and a detach mag, so any additional evil features must be removed before moving in. (Collapso stock, flash hider, bayo lug, grenade launcher, etc)




It is NOT necessary that you register any of you armaments upon move in, and I don't recommend doing so, even though they might ask you to do so voluntarilly. The one possible exception to consider is your primary house defense handgun, because it'll simply sound better in the press if you're ever forced to use it.

Also, be aware that it is extremely unlikely you'll get a carry permit, NJ is de-facto "won't issue" for plebians, and the institutional and cultural hostility to gun owners is rampant in most places.


I will assume that you've no alternative but to move into Jersey. I grieve for you.

 

[WT]

There are lawyers other than Evan Nappen. 'Nuff said.

 

[GunGoBoom]

DON'T DO IT! Run away from LIEberal Hades, and move to a free state. Don't support the machine with your tax dollars

+1. And I'm not kidding. I say this because there are so many many threads here containing posts from unhappy/miserable NJ residents (and calif., etc.), but who are established there, and can't move, so to suggest that to them (get out) is not really a viable or helpful option. You, OTOH, are new here, and so maybe don't know all the horrors that await you trying to be a lawful gun owner there. And you, OTOH, don't yet have all those roots entrenched if you are contemplating moving to that cesspool. I'd say that unless it's a job which is SO GOOD that you can bank enough to retire and have a specific plan to get out, in say, 10-15 years, then seriously, seriously consider and weigh out the extreme down side to taking the step of voluntarily moving to what appears to be a borderline communist hellhole. If you have munchkins that are going to take root there and consider it their home, then you've GOT to consider what kind of anguish that will be imposing on them in the long run. Just say no, bro!

 

[Rockstar]

There are states other than NJ. 'nuff said.

 

[gunsmith]

don't move to new jersey

stay out of that cesspool! everything is illegal!!!
from what i hear the cops notify your neighbors and if they sasy "no" you cant own a gun...I don't know how true that is but I know that my bro (who is a cop in NY) can't load hollowpoints in his glock when he travells thru NJ!!!

 

[WT]

gunsmith - that is correct. An out-of-state off duty officer on personal business is not allowed to carry hollowpoints in NJ. Also proscribed are high capacity magazines carrying more than 15 rounds.

That said, 99% of NJ officers will extend a professional courtesy to out-of-state officers. 1% of the officers who had a fight with their wife that morning will not extend said courtesy.

NJ does not notify neighbors.

 

[mhdishere]

gunsmith,
I don't think that's true about the cops notifying your neighbors. When I moved to NJ and applied for my FID, let's just say I have one neighbor who would have nixed the FID if he knew I was applying.

I moved from NYC to NJ, so things actually got BETTER for me when I moved here. In NYC the 1903 Springfield (yes, the bolt action rifle) was, at least for a while, on the assault-weapons list because it has a bayonet lug. Garands had to have the bayonet lug removed too. In NJ it's only an issue if it's a semi-auto with a detachable mag.

Sure, there are better places to live gun-wise, but there are much worse places too.

 

[MikeIsaj]

Pennsylvania is right next to NJ. When it comes to firearms laws we're about a million miles apart.

Anyone ever notice that the only bridges that charge toll on the way into NJ are the ones that are leaving NYC.

 

[geekWithA.45]

The cops don't check with the neighbors, but you must still hide your guns from the neighbors.

Gun ownership in NJ is way below national norms: 13%. That means that 87% of NJ folk don't own guns, or understand why you do. All it takes is a "man with a ggggggggun!" phonecall from a hoplophobic neighbor to start the ball rolling on a FID revocation. It's rare, but it happens.


NJ & Guns is a really bad combo, seriously consider alternatives.

 

[carnaby]

Please tell us why you have to move to NJ. That way we can better see if we can talk you out of it

 

[Rockstar]

Rather than moving to NJ, why don't you just snort a little liquid Drano first thing every morning? I guess masochism has it's place.

 

[Third_Rail]

I live in MA, and I'm better off than NJ.

 

[Willyboi]

I have to move back home!.. Im in the Navy. I did my 7 years and everything for me is there. I live in the Pines, so I dont think its as bad as other places! I'm pretty much set up to be a cop, but I dont want to ruin that by asking my soon to be wifes family a bunch of questions! One is Rob Czepiel (look that one up I'd be typing his title for ever) and her brother is a cop, her Dad is big in the community. I have good friends that haven't had any problems with there guns! Then again they live in the Pinies.

I already milled the bayonet lug off the M1A. I wanted to keep the look so I only took the bottom off. It won't function, I hope thats enough.

I still have to mill the bayonet lug of the M4 type. I just bought it 3 months ago. They sent it like that! I have 10 round mags for the AR's. Now this one has a perm attached flash hider on. Is that ok? I'm packing the Tele-stock deep away for a rainy day! ....

 

[geekWithA.45]

Willy,

The flash hider is a problem, because it blows the evil feature count, unless it's a muzzle brake. Also, IIRC, threaded barrels that can accept flash hiders are a problem too.

I'm under the impression that "pre bans" with flash hiders are also threaded, and that most "post bans" with permanently attached anything are usually muzzle brakes. Best to crack out the documentation/reciept to see what that thing officially is.