Moving to Orange County New York

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We've never been eager to move to New York, but my wife was offered a very attractive faculty position, so we're looking at houses in Cornwall and Highland Falls. While not as hostile toward guns as NYC, there are a few hoops to jump through. Any leads or advice on staying on the right side of the law in this move?

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Michael Courtney
 
If you own any handguns,leave them in NC!!
The laws do sux up here but you can still "have fun"!!
Pre ban only on AW style guns.
Have a few friends down your way(O-county) they are good people.
When you come up,you will need a place to shoot,they could help.
Good luck on the move.

MRI
 
Dude the entire state's gun laws suck , your better off leaving then in storage in your home state :uhoh: . If you do a search I'm sure you'll find a couple of threads on the ringamarole you have to go through just to posses them , even if you already own them . Just not worth the harassment in my book .
 
Could you commute from Connecticut? It seems highland falls is closer to the CT border than NYC is. CT has better gun laws. If not, I believe CCW is nearly impossible in those counties in NY. As for long guns, just pretend the federal AWB never sunset. In case I'm wrong about the CCW, most CCW liscences in NYS require you to have 3-5 character references who are not immediately related to you. Do you have any extended family or friends? If not, join a gun club and make a few.

If you choose NYS, you'll be kind of near Sleepy Hollow. When you move, feel free to open a "what caliber for the headless horseman" thread :)
 
Hmm... Connecticut over New York State for gun owners? Even with Connecticut's 14-day waiting period for long guns? New York State isn't New York City. In fact, as downstate counties go, Orange is one of the more gun-friendly.

Check out this website for advice on how to get handgun-legal in Orange County:

http://www.ocshooters.com/

Good luck.
 
Yes, unfortunately.
- Might as well get rid of/store all semi-auto rifles. It'd cost too much to convert them to something NY-legal, and you can only have 10 round magazines anyway.
- Sell or store all of your handguns, because you'll be a felon to bring them into NY.
- There's a similar provision for shotguns, but since I don't own any I didn't look it up. Something like 3 or 5 round maximum capacity.
- No collapseable stock, pistol grip, or muzzle attachment.

Basically, if you're anything like me, you can expect to not be able to bring any of your firearms with you to NY without committing enough felonies to put you in jail until the second coming.

You'll have to look up NY laws for more specifics. Basically, you'd be better off storing your firearms somewhere in the same fashion as you would if you were going to live overseas for a couple years (you're only going to be there for a little while, right?), and take a shotgun along for hunting and self defense, and buy whatever else you want when you get there.

Anyway, on another note: why are you going to NY, again? I hope you'll be making at least 30-40% than you are currently, because that's about how much you'll be losing out of pocket to live at a similar level of comfort (or maybe a bit lower). Between property taxes and cost and state taxes, you'll be getting raped. A $50k job in (that part of) NY is roughly the same as a $35k job out here in SD, and that's pretty sad.

FWIW, my parents live in Orange, and they've been begging me to move back to NY. If they'd moved to PA, I'd move back; might even do that still, actually. Transit from Northern PA to southern NY isn't that bad.
 
New York State isn't New York City.
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You are correct.
NYC = more total gun ban than Britain.
NY = 1920s or earlier technology only (basically)
 
CT isn't too bad

I live in CT and once you have a permit it isn't too awful. However there is an assault weapons ban. It is better tha NY though
pete
 
However there is an assault weapons ban. It is better tha NY though
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I have a Bushmaster XM-15 I bought in CT. The AR-15 rifle makers adjusted nicely to the Assault weapons ban. I wish I could have a collapsable stock though.
 
I fled O.C. 6 years ago!

Between the horrible taxes, skyrocketing prices of everything I am glad I left that place, used to be good hunting, now it's just a bedroom community for Westchester and NYC. Takes about 6 months for a permit to even own a handgun. Good luck to you!
 
Some of you are not presenting an accurate picture of NYS gun laws. First off, you CAN own AWs, they just have to be pre-ban or ban compliant. You CAN posses magazines with greater than 10 rounds capacity, again, they just need to be ban compliant- which in the case of AR and AK mags is like 90% of them. None of this is hard to work around. Heck, you can own AOWs in NYS too if you can get a sherrif who will sign off. The only problem is CCW. Some counties (few) are basically no-issue.
 
You CAN posses magazines with greater than 10 rounds capacity, again, they just need to be ban compliant- which in the case of AR and AK mags is like 90% of them.
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Prince Yamato - NO. That is incorrect!

You might be able to own any magazine without the "LEO only" designation, but there are many cases where people have been prosecuted for possessing post-ban magazines that were not labeled "LEO only". The law still stands that magazines manufactured after the ban over 10 rounds are off limits.

And yes, you can own "assault rifles" (whatever they are), just not your standard modern rifles like AKs, FALs and ARs. They just need to either have $100+ worth of work done to them to make them compliant with NYS laws (take a bunch of stuff off and replace it with less functional parts and permanently decrease the firearm's function) or to be purchased in NY (at, what in my experience, is several hundred or more than what you can get them for in the United States).

And then there's the "no pistol" laws, particularly in Orange hwere you can't easily get a permit.

And then there's the intrusive police presence and general attitude that "firearm owner = criminal". That's not fun.

The factual representation may not have been 100% accurate, but the spirit of the representation is true: very draconian.
 
Dang it! People stop confusing CA and City Regs with New York State!!! The following are completely wrong

- Might as well get rid of/store all semi-auto rifles. It'd cost too much to convert them to something NY-legal, and you can only have 10 round magazines anyway.
- Sell or store all of your handguns, because you'll be a felon to bring them into NY.
- There's a similar provision for shotguns, but since I don't own any I didn't look it up. Something like 3 or 5 round maximum capacity.
- No collapseable stock, pistol grip, or muzzle attachment
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The only one even close to accurate is handguns and only because NY law requires a permit. You can walk into almost any gun store and buy an AR or AK with a 30 or 40 round mag.
 
If I am not mistaken, the New York AWB is very similar to the former Federal AWB. That would make preban high capacity magazines legal to own, as long as they where made before the ban went into effect. Of course it might be hard to explain to a LEO that the magazine was made before the ban. We have the same deal here in Mass. Except here we need to have a special State firearm license to own high capacity firearms.

Another thought is there might be a provision in the gun laws that allows people who are moving into the state to grandfather any firearms they own under the state laws. So even though that firearm might not be available to buy in the state, it can be brought in by a new resident who legally owned it in their previous state. We have a similar provision in our strict gun laws in Mass.
 
Another thought is there might be a provision in the gun laws that allows people who are moving into the state to grandfather any firearms they own under the state laws. So even though that firearm might not be available to buy in the state, it can be brought in by a new resident who legally owned it in their previous state. We have a similar provision in our strict gun laws in Mass.
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That would be nice, but it doesn't exist in NY.

While I agree NY gun laws suck big eggs, I still manage to have my M14 semi (sans bayonet lug), my M1 Garands, my M1 carbine, and my AWban-compliant M4gery. Plus many, many pre-ban "normal" capacity mags for above mentioned rifles.

BTW, pre-ban rifles are only legal (i.e. grandfathered) if YOU owned them prior to the ban. IOW, you cannot legally buy a pre-ban "assault" rifle from someone else if it isn't compliant with the current law. YOU have to have possessed the rifle before the ban went into effect. This is different than the old federal law. Magazines, however, can be purchased as pre-ban and still be legal.

NY isn't the worst gun state, but there are only a few that are worse.
 
Prince Yamato - NO. That is incorrect!

You might be able to own any magazine without the "LEO only" designation, but there are many cases where people have been prosecuted for possessing post-ban magazines that were not labeled "LEO only". The law still stands that magazines manufactured after the ban over 10 rounds are off limits.

And yes, you can own "assault rifles" (whatever they are), just not your standard modern rifles like AKs, FALs and ARs. They just need to either have $100+ worth of work done to them to make them compliant with NYS laws (take a bunch of stuff off and replace it with less functional parts and permanently decrease the firearm's function) or to be purchased in NY (at, what in my experience, is several hundred or more than what you can get them for in the United States).

And then there's the "no pistol" laws, particularly in Orange hwere you can't easily get a permit.

And then there's the intrusive police presence and general attitude that "firearm owner = criminal". That's not fun.

The factual representation may not have been 100% accurate, but the spirit of the representation is true: very draconian
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You are giving the OP an incorrect and misinformed opinion that is based on what I would guess is limited experience with NYS firearms prohibitions. You can own handguns if you go through the process to get the pistol permit. Once this is completed(usually takes about 9-12 months) You can buy a pistol you then take the purchase permit to the sheriffs office and they out it on your permit you thne go back and get the pistol. Depending on the paper work lag it can take 3 days or it can take 2 weeks. As for AWB stuff its basically they incorporated the Federal AWB into state law. Is NY great for Fireamrs owners? Not really. Is big brother gonna stop you at the border and beat your a** and take your stuff? No. Stop insulting all the people who live in the rest of New York(yea theres a whole bunch of land up here) and do some research before you spout regurgitated internet rumor and supposition.

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And yes, you can own "assault rifles" (whatever they are), just not your standard modern rifles like AKs, FALs and ARs. They just need to either have $100+ worth of work done to them to make them compliant with NYS laws
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Then what the hell am I doing with a Colt HBAR straight from the factory in my gun safe sitting next to a stack of 30 round magazines?

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+1 to you USMC6177

NYS long gun laws are a direct mirror of the old federal assault weapons ban.

NYS laws are nothing like California or NJ laws. I'm 100% sure I'm right on the long gun laws because I was possibly going to have to move back to upstate NY and checked with BATF and multiple police departments upstate.

Again, given that the OPs residence would be close to CT, why not just live there? On the other hand, if you have pre or post-ban AKs, I'd stick to NYS (no AKs in CT :( ). Honestly, moving to upstate isn't the end of the world. Despite what all the doomsayers say. I know plenty of people upstate who own tons of fun AWs. Call gunshops and enquire around NYS for the best areas to live or... commute from CT.

As I have said in other threads, stupid gun laws aside, there's plenty of fun stuff to do in NY. You'll be near Sleepy Hollow, which is one of my all-time favorite places in New York State. And NYC is cool to visit. You'll be a couple hours from Quebec too, which is like a slice of Europe in North America. Not too far from Vermont either... :)

Look, it's upstate NY, not New Mexico or Texas. If you want MGs, SBRs, and brand new AWs, you're... SOL. But if you can live with pre-ban and post ban only, and don't mind the archaic pistol liscencing, NYS won't be horrible.

but there are many cases where people have been prosecuted for possessing post-ban magazines that were not labeled "LEO only".
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Really, name some cases... NY or Federal... I'm pretty sure nobody has every been prosecuted for unmarked mags. If they were it would have made national news. It would have been a great Brady scare tactic.
 
Dutchess County

Living in Connecticut and commuting to Orange County is impractical. You are talking at least an hour and a half each way.

You can get a pistol permit within 6 to 9 months with very little problem in Dutchess County which is right across the river from Orange County. I think the sherriff in Orange is just as permissive as Dutchess.

As for assault type weapons, I would suggest calling Collector Rifle and Ammo in Hopewell Junction NY. They sell that type of thing along with bulk ammo. The owner, Scott, will be very helpful and let you know what you can and can not buy.

I also suggest that you look up the various communities on citydata.com. That will give you a more detailed look at those communities. Highland Falls is all centered on West Point while Cornwall is over Storm King Mountain from there(not a nice ride in the winter). Cornwall also borders on Newburgh which is a real pit(highest crime rate of any small city in NY

PM me and I will give you some recommendations on places to live and some ideas on what to expect here. You will be pleasantly surprised by the climate and the area in general. This is a real 4 season climate with a rich historical heritage and a lot of open land..;)
 
Michael,

If RKBA is very important to you, I would urge you to take a strong look at Western Connecticut, which more or less adjoins Orange County.

We have (more or less) shall-issue CCW, with fewer off-limits places than NC does!

Yes, we have a silly convoluted AW ban (actually two of them) but you can still get a LOT of EBR's here (sans evil features). It's complicated.

We can still have NFA stuff (subject to some silly constraints).

-slob
 
Incorrect information

Western Connecticut does NOT adjoin Orange County NY. You have at least 40 miles of Route 84 between Danbury Ct and the Hudson River on US Route 84 before you even hit Orange County. Cornwall is another 10 miles South of the Newburgh Bridge and Highland Falls another 15 miles south of Cornwall.
 
You could move to western PA

Depending on where in Orange Co you need to be you may be relatively close to PA.
 
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