Moving to Orange County New York

[30 cal slob]

Uh, Prince Yamato, you can have certain AK-like rifles in CT now.

 

[miko]

There are slight differences between the NYS counties in procedures and time.

You should expect to get a permit in 2-3 months but be prepared to wait 6-8 months. Some of the paperwork has to go through the feds, which are apparently quite busy.

In Greene county one needs to be a resodent at least 6 months and notarised notes from four county residents vouching for your moral character.

miko

 

[Prince Yamato]

Uh, Prince Yamato, you can have certain AK-like rifles in CT now.

Not to hijack, but there is a possibility that I might have to move back up NE again in a couple years, what AKs are CT legal? Vepr, because it's RPK and not AK-47 type?

 

[Morglan]

Regarding pistol permits and adding pistols to your permit, each county is very different.

One previous poster mentioned that the wait to add a new pistol to your permit (in NY, your permit lists each handgun you own) can range from 3 days to a couple weeks.

Here in my county, I can actually take the serial number, make, model, barrel length, rev/auto, and where I'm buying/transferring it from (either dealer or another NYS permit holder to the public safety building, and have it added right there and then, even before it shows up at my dealers! (Yes this is true and legal, I've added my last 4 revolvers this way.)

My neighboring county routinely issues new permits in about 6-8 weeks time.

My carry permit is unrestricted (other than the 5 boroughs and the usual off-limit places--bars are not off limits though.)

I can buy as many handguns/longarms as I want, as frequently as I want.

I can buy pre-ban "assault" rifles--in state, or have them shipped in from out of state. (Yes, I can. I've done it. My stock collapses.)

I own pre-ban hi-caps--legally.

Yes, there is paperwork involved in getting your permit here, but once you get it, (at least in my county) the "rules" are very similar to other gun-friendly states.

The land is beautiful too.

 

[USMC6177]

In Greene county one needs to be a resodent at least 6 months and notarised notes from four county residents vouching for your moral character.

/wave Miko

I grew up in Greene County. Ever heard of East Jewett?

Also the great thing about Greene is the sheriffs office is infested with USMCR makes things alot nicer. I was able to skip the class they require due to prior military training. They have a really good judge there to who recognizes the need for CCP and issues unrestricted carry permits quite a but.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Also the great thing about Greene is the sheriffs office is infested with USMCR makes things alot nicer.

And the bad thing about Greene is your nextdoor neighbors tend to be cows and horses

 

[Caimlas]

The only one even close to accurate is handguns and only because NY law requires a permit. You can walk into almost any gun store and buy an AR or AK with a 30 or 40 round mag.

Are they new-production magazines? Because if they are, that gun store can get in deep sh*t, according to this little snippet from the NYS Pistol and Rifle Assoc:

It shall be unlawful to possess any "assault weapon" or a "large capacity ammunition feeding device". So called "assault weapons" lawfully possessed prior to September 14, 1994 and "large capacity ammunition feeding devices" manufactured prior to such date are grandfathered.

Another thought is there might be a provision in the gun laws that allows people who are moving into the state to grandfather any firearms they own under the state laws.

Not that I've been able to find. You can't even bring handguns into the state without a lot of headache (i'm not even 100% sure it's practically possible, just theoretically).

Banned features
(google "NY gun laws" - good way to start to find out what you need, eh?) http://www.nysrpa.org/nygunlaws.htm (under misc)

An "assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a bayonet mount; (iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; (v) a grenade launcher; or (b) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; (iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or (c) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer; (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (iv) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; (v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm; or (d) any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known as (i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (All Models); (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil; (iii) Beretta Ar70 (Sc-70); (iv) Colt Ar-15;(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC; (vi) SWD M 10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12; (vii) Steyr Aug; (viii) Intratec TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and (ix) Revolving Cylinder Shotguns, such as (or Similar to) the Streetsweeper and Striker 12; (e) provided, however, that such term does not include: (i) any rifle, shotgun or pistol that (a) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or slide-action; (b) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or (c) is an antique firearm as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16); (ii) a semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds of ammunition; (iii) a semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine; (iv) a rifle, shotgun or pistol, or a replica or a duplicate thereof, specified in appendix A to section 922 of 18 U.S.C. as such weapon was manufactured on October 1, 1993. The mere fact that a weapon is not listed in appendix A shall not be construed to mean that such weapon is an assault weapon; or (v) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic pistol or any of the weapons defined in paragraph (d) of this subdivision lawfully possessed prior to September 14, 1994.

It's pretty freakin' clear to me that you're not even allowed to own an AR-15 or AK in NY. This would be supported by my last experience in a NY gun store, where the lovely host yelled at me and told me to get the f*ck out of his store when I picked up an AR (with a collapseable stock marked "LEO Only") and started handling it.

But then maybe you can own neutered versions of such weapons - I don't know. I just know they restrict you from owning standard-feature ARs and AKs, and therefore it's going to cost you extra to get something similar.

 

[USMC6177]

And the bad thing about Greene is your nextdoor neighbors tend to be cows and horses

I wish. In the Catskill park the median home value has skyrocketed. I could not live there if I wanted to. We keep losing farm land and gaining million dollar homes. I wanted to move back near where I grew up but I can't afford it. I don't hate people from the City of New York but ever since 9/11 it seems like the ones that can afford it are abandoning ship and heading for the hills. Alot more to complain about on this topic but its OT so I will end it here.:banghead:

 

[Caimlas]

USMC -

You are giving the OP an incorrect and misinformed opinion that is based on what I would guess is limited experience with NYS firearms prohibitions. You can own handguns if you go through the process to get the pistol permit. Once this is completed(usually takes about 9-12 months) You can buy a pistol you then take the purchase permit to the sheriffs office and they out it on your permit you thne go back and get the pistol. Depending on the paper work lag it can take 3 days or it can take 2 weeks. As for AWB stuff its basically they incorporated the Federal AWB into state law. Is NY great for Fireamrs owners? Not really. Is big brother gonna stop you at the border and beat your a** and take your stuff? No. Stop insulting all the people who live in the rest of New York(yea theres a whole bunch of land up here) and do some research before you spout regurgitated internet rumor and supposition.

Sorry mate, but I stand by what I said (and which I qualified by my "may not be 100% accurate but the spirit is right"). There are many counties around where he's headed where it's all but impossible to get a pistol permit, ergo it being "illegal". Can't easily bring a pistol into the state without a permit, not legally - nice little catch 22 they've got going there.

And it would be foolhardy to suppose that, if you are pulled over in NY with an unregistered firearm coming from another state, you will not be stopped and searched. It would be foolish to presume otherwise, given it's a felony charge. No, it's not a certainty, but it very well could happen.

Then what the hell am I doing with a Colt HBAR straight from the factory in my gun safe sitting next to a stack of 30 round magazines?

Well, I guess colt offers AWB complaint ARs, then. However, if you're someone looking to move into the state and have an AR which is uncompliant, you're looking at taking a hit to the wallet - which is, after all, the scenario the OP was looking to address.

And do not infer that I am insulting anyone. I have loved ones in Putnam and Orange. I know the area well. There are Good People there. But the mindset of even those people in regard to firearms is almost peculiar compared to what I've grown accustomed to out here in SD.

 

[USMC6177]

But then maybe you can own neutered versions of such weapons - I don't know. I just know they restrict you from owning standard-feature ARs and AKs, and therefore it's going to cost you extra to get something similar

I can understand where you coming from now but I have to say this does not jive with what I am able to go purchase at the local Gander Mountain. Further research is required. Give me a day to get the actual answers from an actual county Judge. I don't think the NYSRPA stuff is correct. I personally have recently bought a Colt HBAR and the only thing that was different was you get a 10 round magazine. That whole non detachable crap is not right.

 

[Prince Yamato]

(d) any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known as (i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (All Models); (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil; (iii) Beretta Ar70 (Sc-70); (iv) Colt Ar-15;(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC; (vi) SWD M 10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12; (vii) Steyr Aug; (viii) Intratec TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and (ix) Revolving Cylinder Shotguns, such as (or Similar to) the Streetsweeper and Striker 12;

the bold is what you missed. This is a mirror of the old federal AWB. There are no special NYS clauses. If his HBAR was pre-ban, it can have all the evil features in NYS. You can still buy "pre-ban" stuff new. If it's post ban, it has to have a fixed stock, shaved bayonet lug, and pinned flash-hider. WASRs (in ban configuration) are perfectly legal upstate and very popular. Pre-ban hi-caps are ok too. That's why Tapco has them from time to time and the disclaimer says, "These magazines are pre-ban and are legal to own for New York State residents". I've clarified this with police in Buffalo, Rochester, and Ithaca.

 

[RON in PA]

Pennsylvania is the answer. You need to look at a map showing Orange County and the close-bye PA counties. NYS not only has sucky gun laws, but sucky taxes. It's a matter of how far you are willing to commute.

 

[springmom]

Secamp, I don't think Orange County is anywhere near western Pennsylvania... did you perhaps mean to type MA? That'd still be quite a drive, IIRC.

Sounds like White Wolf has some good suggestions for the OP.

Springmom

 

[CTPistol]

I can make it from my house in CT to Cornwall in 45 mins..

CT gun laws really are not bad, we have ARs and AKs. I just picked up a new Bushmaster the other day - no collapsable stock though. We also have CCW and no wait on guns once you have your permit. A quick phone call and out the door you go..

NOW -- you better have a serious raise lined up - the COL in this area is 2X that of NC. Median houses in my and surrounding towns are now well above 500K. New construction starts at 800K. What are you used to?

Taxes in NY can be brutal, certain towns in CT are very low -- but they have the highest home prices.

all in all, do the math hard before commiting to this...

good luck!

 

[30 cal slob]

you can get modified EBR's in Noo Yawk - I've seen them in NY gun stores.

just not ones that are specifically proscribed by make and model, and no excessive offending features.

 

[Whitewolf 508]

Incorrect info

Again, someone has posted incorrect information.

In order to get from Connecticut to Cornwall NY, you have to drive on Interstate 84 for around 40 miles to get to Newburgh. From there, you have to go city streets(thru a very unpleasant part of Newburgh)to get to Cornwall. I would say a minimum of an hour and 15 minutes. I worked in Newburgh for 5 years - my assistant lived in Cornwall and it took her between 20 minutes and 1/2 an hour to get to work because of traffic..

Houses in that part of Orange County are probably in the $300,000 to $350,000 price range. You can occasionally find older homes for less. The prices quoted are from the other poster are from last year before the real estate market took a nose dive.

From reading the OP profile and visiting the website, I can only think of one or two places that his spouse could be offered a position. Both of those institutions are very, very worthwhile.

Mr.Courtney, do not believe everything that you read. As I said, we will be happy to assist you if you do decide to relocate here. I have lived in the area over 50 years and am familiar with its negatives as well as the positives

 

[CTPistol]

FWIW....

google maps via I-84 says 36.7 miles from my driveway in CT to downtown Cornwall....

off traffic its less than an hour. I do it often.

The home prices I quoted were in CT, not NY

The market certainly has not "nose dived" over here....the cheapest home on realtor.com right now is 800sqft converted cottage -- 419K. Cheapest new construction (2600sqft) is 725K. Its garbage BTW.

Id stay in North Carolina...at least you can keep your guns.... -- NY -- think Bloomberg, Schumer, Mccarthy, Clinton, and Guliani -- and you want to MOVE there?......no way never.

 

[avpro]

When I applied for a NYS Pistol license, you had to be a resident of New York State for 2 years before you could even apply for a license. Without a NYS license you can't even enter the state with a handgun. If that 2 year requirement is still in effect, then you have to say good-bye to you hand guns for 2 years I guess.

 

[obxned]

Tell her she'll have to comute from Vermont.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Is there a train that runs from CT to that area of NY? I'd assume yes, given that it could serve as a stop for people who commute from CT to NYC. A family friend that lives in the BOSTON suburbs has said that people are now commuting from there to NYC! Anyhow, people commute 1-2 hrs to get to NYC each day. Could you work that? I honestly don't think living in NYS would be as horrible as some make it out to be. Firearms issues aside, you can't compare autumn in NYS to anywhere in the US. Honestly, every October I yearn for that crisp fall air and the leaves changing colors... and of course Sleepy Hollow (Ossington, NY), which is by far one of my favorite towns in the country.

Remember, NY is still moderately pro-gun, so the more pro people that move there, the better the chance we can get stuff like the AWB repealed. New Yorkers are a little more practical than their West Coast cousins. Show them the light... er muzzle blast.

 

[toivo]

Is there a train that runs from CT to that area of NY? I'd assume yes, given that it could serve as a stop for people who commute from CT to NYC.

Not really. They're on two different sides of the Hudson River, so it's two totally separate train lines. To get from Connecticut to Orange County, NY, you'd have to go into NYC, change trains, and come back out. We're talking a 2 to 3 hour trip, depending on where in CT you start from.

Honestly, every October I yearn for that crisp fall air and the leaves changing colors... and of course Sleepy Hollow (Ossington, NY), which is by far one of my favorite towns in the country.

I think you might be mixing up Ossining, Tarrytown, and Irvington. Sleepy Hollow is near those three, but I don't know of a town called Ossington. But you're right, it's still beautiful country. Nice place if the Headless Horseman doesn't get ya.

 

[MilsurpShooter]

He hasn't got me yet, but this is why I keep my shotgun loaded... I can picture it now "What gun for a headless pumpkin wielding maniac?"

 

[Whitewolf 508]

Slamming places

I was under the impression that if one is to take the HIGH ROAD, one would not slander the places where other members live...Somehow as a native New Yorker, I feel that some members take great pleasure in presenting false information to slam New York.

Folks, most of New York is "upstate". We apple knockers are not happy that our taxes go to support NYC and that a lot of our laws are designed for NYC and not the conditions here. There are certain things that we do like:
1. Prisons are a growth industry and provide high paid employment fro people in areas where there is no other employment. Guess where the majority of inmates come from...NYC.
2. We enjoy having decent medical care within a 2 hour drive with world class physicians and hospitals.
3, We enjoy the cultural amenities that NYC affords..sports, museums, theaters and some of the best damn food anywhere.

I have heard from many of you about our taxes being high. That is true but the taxes are at least in the open. A friend of mine relocated first to southern Alabama and then Virginia and finally to northern Florida. He told me that his school taxes were indeed low but in order for his kids to get a decent education, he had to send them to private school at $2500 EACH per year. It seems that in order to get around integration, the taxpayers underfunded the public schools which are primarily minority and used the private schools instead. At least here I never had to send my daughter to a private school and still pay school taxes on top of it.

As far as the gun laws go, I can understand the convenience of walk in and walk out service and that would be nice. I can also apprecaite the licensing system here. I know of several psychos here that have tried to get pistol permits but could not get the 3 references together. Current laws would not have stopped them because they were never in the mental health system but they were crazy anyhow- unstable is a kinder term. We also have the city people coming up to hunt - many have no idea what a deer looks like and will shoot at anything that moves. At least if they are restricted to long guns, you can see it when they swing it toward you with enough time to duck.

No place is perfect..each has its own faults. I would greatly appreciate my felllow members not slamming and not lumping NEW YORK with New York City

 

[MilsurpShooter]

Like I've tried to say Whitewolf, give everything south of Putnam to California, annex Albany to DC (Both do about the same amount of work in a year anyhow) and leave everything else as is. I'd be moving to Dutchess or higher so fast people's heads would spin

 

[30 cal slob]

wait a second, now that i think about it Pennsylvania could make a little more sense on all counts.

It looks like you'd be roughly equidistant between PA and CT.

The pluses of PA:

1) You won't have to pay bridge toll crossing into Newburgh, NY on I-84 (get an EZ-Pass anyways).

2) PA housing is MUCH CHEAPER than CT. SW CT is home to some of the largest hedge funds in the country. Damn Wall Streeters driving up the prices of everything.

3) PA's gun laws are much better than CT (no sillly restrictions on anything, shall-issue CCW), even though CT rocks compared to NY.

4) PA's got some gorgeous unspoiled hilly land. If you like whitetail deer hunting, you'll LOVE PA.